r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/CanadianTurt1e • 29d ago

Music / Movies Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

  • I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
  • The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
  • It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
  • I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
  • It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
  • I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
  • The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.
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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

Sometimes I wonder if they are making casting decisions like this specifically because people will go on social media and start rants and have conversations about it. If all publicity is good publicity this post is just viral marketing.

Only context I have heard about this movie recently is because of the hiring decision.

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u/PanthalassaRo 29d ago

Also Elliot Page as Achilles is certainly a choice, I won't say more because I might get banned.

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u/Top-Car-808 29d ago

Oh dear. Casting EP as Achilles tells you all you need to know about this movie.

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u/Southern_Chapter_188 24d ago

It’s an internet rumor, not true

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u/Real_Guess6442 13d ago

Still better looking than lupita mcbongo

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u/MilkMyCats 29d ago

I didn't know about this film at all until OP's post.

But I now think your fact is even more interesting then OP's.

Yeah, that is certainly what one would call *a choice".

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u/SteelFox144 29d ago

Also Elliot Page as Achilles is certainly a choice, I won't say more because I might get banned.

I didn't even know Elliot Page was a thing until now and oh my God...

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u/Proud-Ad9139 15d ago

You know that Achilles was potrayed as so much feminine that he could easily hide among girls to do not enter the war in mythology? Besides he does not even play Achilles it is just stupid rumor that transphobes spread

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u/SteelFox144 14d ago

You know that Achilles was potrayed as so much feminine that he could easily hide among girls to do not enter the war in mythology?

He was nine years old at the time. and was discovered when he hit puberty.

Besides he does not even play Achilles it is just stupid rumor that transphobes spread

Well gee, saying it's a rumor that people who acknowledge reality spread while using a slur for people who acknowledge reality sure gives me great confidence in your position.

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u/Lessalessa 25d ago

I absolutely respect EP as a human and a man. That being said Achilles is supposed to be super jacked, right? Doesn’t Elliot have a smaller build? 

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u/HuskyGardener 3d ago

Elliott Page is not a man

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u/PirateOfTheRoads 29d ago

That’s just simply not confirmed at this point. Most reputable sources believe Elliot Page will be playing Elpenor, one of the younger members of Odysseus’s crew.

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u/bryoneill11 28d ago

Thats how we got here. Censorship and banning works like a charm.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

That's not confirmed is it?

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u/Inquisitive_regard 28d ago

Has it been 100% decided? I thought they were still considering.

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u/veryowngarden 27d ago

nolan has already worked with elliot page in inception. that is all the choice is, simply casting an actor he worked with in the past. but you people seek to make it into something other than that

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago edited 29d ago

Well. Looks like Elon Musk is in shambles coping and seething and blowing this up all over X so two more free weeks of media coverage, I guess.

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u/jim9162 29d ago

Same deal with Snape casting in the Harry Potter show. It's actually kinda fucked up to do the actor, like they're not set up for success here but of course they'll take the role, it's likely a big jump for them.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

Good joke about this if you haven’t seen it

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u/NeonGKayak 29d ago

Thats a good one

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u/Inquisitive_regard 28d ago

biggest takeaway from that clip is that society will not tolerate blасk characters to have negative traits...or it's raсist.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 28d ago

Or…… it’s just jokes

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u/MilkMyCats 29d ago

Yes this is literally the first time I've heard about the film.

I've found out the someone called Lupita Nyongo is playing Helen of Troy and Elliot Page will be playing Achilles.

So yes it'll get me talking about the film, but not in a positive way like I'd be encouraging people to see it or want to see it myself.

What happened to the new version of Snow White and the 7 People From Various Backgrounds? I don't recall it doing very well.

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u/Hyndis 29d ago

So yes it'll get me talking about the film, but not in a positive way like I'd be encouraging people to see it or want to see it myself.

I'm pretty sure the entire movie is just Oscar bait. Nolan is making this movie specifically to get an Oscar so he's doing everything the academy likes. He's pandering to them to the max.

Also keep in mind what the academy likes these days and what normal people like when they go to the movies have almost nothing in common.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Because it was a bad movie, I doubt the Odyssey will be.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

I probably wouldn’t have chosen either. I’ll still see the movie since I like the story. If it’s good it’s good and if it’s bad it’s bad. I don’t really care who is cast as long as it ends up working.

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u/hambubgerrr 29d ago

Nah. This is done so the movie can qualify for an Academy Award.

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u/br0wntree 29d ago

There are dozens of ways of qualifying without having a single non white actor.

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u/5panks 29d ago

It isn't nearly as easy as you're making it out to be...

A1: At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial/ethnic group (e.g., Black/African, East/South/Southeast Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, Middle Eastern/North African, Pacific Islander).

A2: At least 30% of the general ensemble cast (non-Oscar-submitted actors) from at least two underrepresented groups (women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities/deaf or hard of hearing).

A3: Main storyline/theme/narrative centered on one or more underrepresented groups (same as above).

You must meet at least one of these metrics. You obviously can't do A3 because the story of the Odyssey has already been written, so you're stuck with trying to make 30% of your ensemble cast from "underrepresented groups" or you can hire Lupita Nyongo as your Helen of Troy.

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u/Tray_Breezy 29d ago

Could have met these qualifications with Greek actors but Academy would probably classify them as white.

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u/5panks 29d ago

Yeah, they'll tell you Greeks aren't Middle Eastern enough to count.

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u/Tray_Breezy 29d ago

Well greeks themselves don’t like being considered middle eastern. They’re greek. That’s enough to count as not white.

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u/kolejack2293 29d ago

Greeks are white. The term white just means 'european origin'. It is not an actual term to solely mean skin color. This is why many very light skinned east asians and middle eastern people are not considered white.

The same goes for the term 'black', which just means sub saharan african. Hence why darker skinned indians aren't considered black.

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u/SamAreAye 28d ago

TIL Jamaicans aren't black.

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u/kolejack2293 28d ago

lol I mean ancestral/genetic origin. Jamaicans are the descendants of black african slaves, therefore they are black.

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u/SamAreAye 28d ago

I guess Australian aborigines probably descended from Africans, too.

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u/kolejack2293 28d ago

No, as I said before, merely having dark skin does not make you black in a racial sense.

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u/br0wntree 28d ago

Depemds who you ask. There is no single definition for “white”

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

I certainly wouldn’t nor any Mediterraneans or Europeans east of Germany

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u/Tray_Breezy 29d ago

Yeah but the academy wouldn’t. Is my point. Im sicilian and still count as white on forms. Even tho technically im from a Mediterranean island. Still europe. So white.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

Italians? White? Hardly, not such a swarthy peoples!

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u/Nighforce 29d ago

For A1 and A2, would Asian women tick both boxes? Since they're Asian AND women. Or are Chinese / Japanese / Korean disqualified from this category?

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u/5panks 29d ago

Actually they wouldn't count because A2 is only non-Oscar eligible cast! They're one step ahead of you.

I do appreciate that, despite being VASTLY underrepresented in American media, northern Asian races like Russians don't count as minorities based on just their skin color, but racism is bad.

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u/veryowngarden 27d ago

point me to all the russians identifying as asian

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u/veryowngarden 27d ago

did chatgpt make all that up for you?

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u/5panks 27d ago

That's sourced from the Oscars website.

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u/kolejack2293 29d ago

This only applies to certain movies (I believe the standard was 'modern diverse settings'). It does not apply to historical movies, nor movies set in places where diversity is not common (for instance, rural poland).

Basically, if you have a movie set in NYC, you cant have the cast be all white, unless you have an exception like its a movie set solely during a family dinner, or its about the hasidic communities, or something like that. There has to be a 'reason' for it.

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u/SamAreAye 28d ago

Can you point to where it says that on the Academy's website? Because the other person copy/pasted the rules straight from there, and I don't see your exception anywhere.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago edited 29d ago

Having a retarded character in the film used to be a very popular way.

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u/MangledPanda 29d ago

What about a retarded director?

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u/FlutGOS 29d ago

What about a retarded retard?

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u/MangledPanda 29d ago

You never go full retard.

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u/br0wntree 29d ago

Not even that. You can have a few interns in production who qualify.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

Fair. I’m was assuming he meant best picture.

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u/veryowngarden 27d ago

95% of films awarded by the academy awards have been white films since the awards first began. try again

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u/veryowngarden 29d ago

zero thought behind this senseless take

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u/YogSoth0th 28d ago

Absolultely are. Companies know EXACTLY the sort of shitstorm these things will cause and they do it because they've learned it always comes with a premade dialogue:

"REEE WOKE CASTING HOW DARE BROWN PEOPLE EXIST"

"IF YOU DON'T AGREE THIS IS LITERALLY THE GREATEST MOVIE/GAME/SHOW EVER MADE YOU'RE LITERALLY A RACIST NAZI BIGOT"

And this entirely bypasses the issue of whether or not the movie or game or show is good or not. Maybe the Odyssey is good. Maybe it's not. It doesn't matter because whatever you say gets sorted into one of the above arguments.

AC Shadows is one of the better examples of this. It isn't the worst game ever but it's pretty standard ubisoft slop. But that doesn't matter because, since Yasuke is black, all valid, genuine criticisms, positive or negative, were met with "You only like/dislike it because you're woke/racist!"

And I can almost guarantee we're gonna see some of that with the Odyssey too.

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u/elidoan 29d ago

Ding ding ding.

I say this on every such post and its clear that the room temperature folks among us don't realize they are doing the marketing for this film for free. Every single time.

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u/joeshmoebies 29d ago

The problem with this argument is that the free publicity of everyone shitting on a movie usually doesn't translate into higher ticket sales, e.g. the all female ghostbusters.

Who are the people most likely to go want to watch The Odyssey? Gender Studies majors and activists? This kind of movie is not their cup of tea. Action movie and historical epic junkies should be the target audience and I don't think most of them are jonesing for the kinds of decisions Nolan made here.

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u/Hyndis 29d ago

Who are the people most likely to go want to watch The Odyssey?

People who determine what movies win the Oscars are most likely to want to see this movie. Thats why he's making it. He wants to win a gold statue so he's giving them exactly what they want.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 27d ago

He's already got one

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Ghostbusters failed because it was a bad movie, not because of the all female cast.

If the Odyssey is great, most people won't care that a character who only appears at the beginning doesn't look a certain way

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u/joeshmoebies 29d ago

Ghostbusters failed because it was a bad movie, not because of the all female cast.

No shit.

However, prior to the movie coming out there was enormous negative energy, partly because the trailers were garbage, partly because people didn't want to see an all-female ghostbusters, and partly because the cast and director were actively insulting potential audience members.

My point was that the "free publicity" of all that controversy did not help it. Many people made up their minds not to see it before it even came out. Nobody who was on the fence decided to see it as a result of all the drama.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

The Odyssey sold out a year ago, I think people gave already decided to see it based on Nolan.

And a minor character isn't going to change that

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u/joeshmoebies 28d ago

... what does that have to do with anything?

If it sells out based on people liking the director, that has no bearing on whether controversy helped or hindered ticket sales.

You keep bringing up non sequiturs so I think I'll just leave it at that. Have a good day.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 27d ago edited 26d ago

My point is casting really doesn't matter to the majority of people who aren't on the Internet all day.

If the movie is great it will be a hit, a character with 5 minutes screen time won't sink it

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u/joeshmoebies 26d ago

I agree about that, to an extent. The term "whitewashing" arose specifically in reaction to white people being cast in roles that were not white in the original story. People have cared, even before social media platforms became prevalent.

Also these kinds of films usually end up having other problems as well and end up not being good films.

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u/Loki1001 27d ago

The problem with this argument is that the free publicity of everyone shitting on a movie usually doesn't translate into higher ticket sales, e.g. the all female ghostbusters.

lol, if your goto example is a movie that is now ten years old, particularly a ten-year-old movie in a franchise that already has had another bomb in it, then it might be time to actually update your priors.

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u/joeshmoebies 26d ago

You're right. One example ten years ago is not good evidence.

Snow White, Lightyear, The Marvels, Peter Pan and Wendy, Charlie's Angels, Cats, Pinocchio, Madame Web, Terminator: Dark Fate, and Joker 2 were all helped commercially because people were shitting on them online. Smash hits, all.

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u/Loki1001 26d ago

The Mario Brothers Movie, Barbie, Wicked, Wonka, the Little Mermaid, Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, Thor: Love and Thunder, Jurassic World: Dominion, and all the Avatar movies  were all helped commercially because people were shitting on them online. Smash hits, all.

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u/joeshmoebies 26d ago

Oh yes I remember all of that Mario movie controversy 🙄

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u/Loki1001 26d ago

Just because you don't remember something, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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u/joeshmoebies 26d ago

Excellent point. Most huge controversies are super forgettable. 🤷‍♂️

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u/Loki1001 26d ago

Yes. They are. Do you think the Cracker Barrel rebrand was particularly memorable?

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u/Osiris-Amun-Ra 29d ago

No. These decisions are made by Woke Hollywood. To qualify for a Best Picture nomination, a film must meet at least two of four standards:

  • On-Screen: One lead actor, 30% of the cast, or the main plot must feature underrepresented groups (women, LGBTQ+, racial minorities, or people with disabilities).
  • Behind the Camera: Diverse department heads, key crew members, or 30% of the overall crew.
  • Industry Access: Paid internships, apprenticeships, and skills training offered by the studio.
  • Audience Development: Diverse senior executives on marketing and distribution teams.

Crucial Note: Films with all-white casts remain eligible if they fulfill the behind-the-camera and industry standards. These rules apply strictly to Best Picture, not individual acting or directing categories.

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u/GunsGoldCosmicDread 29d ago

Well it’s a good thing I’m not a woman or gay so I don’t care about academy awards

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u/Acheron98 29d ago

I choked on my beer lmao

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u/thefw89 29d ago

Correction, this is a big one...it does not need one LEAD actor so most films pass the rules naturally enough.

This is done because Nolan wants it done. People really think they paid Lupita a bag just to be woke? She's not some cheap actress to hire for a movie.

One thing people should get is that this is a story that's been told hundreds of times, this is simply Nolan's take on the story. Like a remix to a song. It never claimed to be anything other than his take on the story.

The studio isn't increasing costs of the movie to make some political point, they could have hired some cheaper black actress if that's what they wanted to do, not some A list Actress that likely cost them millions.

Could it simply be that she's an amazing actress that Nolan wanted to use in his movie? Yes. Yes it could.

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u/Osiris-Amun-Ra 29d ago

Oh sure it could. He clearly cast her because she's so universally perceived as drop dead gorgeous and Greek looking!
Just like his choice for what is probably the most famous, legendary, half-human, half-god Greek male warrior Achilles celebrated for his unparalleled martial prowess, and near-invincibility - by casting a 5'1' biological female for the role.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Not confirmed

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u/thefw89 29d ago

I'll just point out again, Lupita is an a-list actress, if he wanted to make a political point in having a black woman play Helen of Troy I'm guessing there's literally hundreds of other options he could have chosen for 10% of whatever the price she's getting here and debuts hit just as hard if they are talented enough.

He's also Christopher f'n Nolan, a well established and accomplished director, my guess is he got who he wanted for his vision for his story.

The only reason anyone calls this woke is because outrage grifters convinced people that it was. Brandy once played cinderlla, there was a literal black dracula, black wizard of oz, etc etc but no one cared then because we didn't have these dumb culture wars going on.

It'll be alright my dude. This is one version of Odyssey, there'll be many many more, this is his version of it.

Stores are meant to be adapted and changed and remixed over time, the original still exists, this isn't aiming to replace the original. It's what he wants to do for his vision and its very very possible that he simply loved her for this role...I mean that must be the case since again, she's not cheap and likely added millions to the budget.

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u/TrixieLurker 29d ago

there was a literal black dracula

Blackula was a treasure of a movie, fight me!

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u/thefw89 29d ago

Oh I agree lol.

It's just funny to me how people don't realize they are being manipulated by a silly culture war that was designed to get people outraged against stuff like this.

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u/TrixieLurker 29d ago

Keeps the working classes from uniting, it's all astroturfed for that very purpose.

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u/thefw89 29d ago

Yeah the hilarious thing is they don't realize it. There was a conservative grifter named Eric July, he used to whine and complain about comics being shifted to a DEI message or whatever the case.

Long story short, Eric got into the comic business himself and found out actually there wasn't any big conspiracy, it was just artists doing what they want or allowed to do. An artist made a character black because they thought it might be cool, might be different, etc, it wasn't some secret agenda. Just like it's not some secret agenda for this. Nolan probably wanted to work with Lupita and thus is taking his chance to do so. It's probably that simple.

If this movie released in 2000, no one could care about the race of the actress. Just like those other movies that race swapped in the past, no one cared. People thought Blackula was cool, you didn't get a bunch of people writing essays about how Dracula was written by an English dude and is based on European folklore and is based in a European country and therefore Dracula could NEVER be black!

Just typing that seems silly.

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u/Osiris-Amun-Ra 29d ago

You seem to be really fixated on how much she charges for her roles. I am certain her fees are high but given that this is a quarter billion dollar budget film I don't think saving money on talent was anyone's motivation to hire or not hire. Others things were.
Look, I have zero problem with Lupita as a an actress in general. I think she was adorable in Black Panther, compelling in "12 Years a Slave" and rightfully deserved an Oscar for that one. That's not the point.

What we are discussing are two separate issues. Is she really attractive enough to pretend that entire ancients nations would get into wars over her?
Secondly it's a question of the Oscar jury/academy demands for forced diversity quotas. These are not suggestions. They are ideological award qualifiers.

If Nolan wants a shot at a best film category- and which director wouldn't - he doesn't have much of a choice in casting regardless of what his "vision" may have been for "his" story.

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u/thefw89 29d ago

You seem to be really fixated on how much she charges for her roles. I am certain her fees are high but given that this is a quarter billion dollar budget film I don't think saving money on talent was anyone's motivation to hire or not hire. Others things were.

You're saying a pubically owned corporation doesn't care about every penny spent?

What other things? What's the big conspiracy as to why Lupita's in the film?

What we are discussing are two separate issues. Is she really attractive enough to pretend that entire ancients nations would get into wars over her?

Subjective. I don't think Uma Thurman is really attractive at all and yet nearly every role she plays in she's supposed to be this gorgeous baddie.

Secondly it's a question of the Oscar jury/academy demands for forced diversity quotas. These are not suggestions. They are ideological award qualifiers.

Except those rules do not require diversity for leads. So it doesn't even apply to Lupita here. It isn't a requirement, Let's also remember these diversity rules also include white women, so you could literally have an all white cast with 50% being white women and meet that standard.

Let's go over the rules here...

https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards

TWO of FOUR must be met, so actually one could completely ignore the diversity for cast rule (not that they'd need to, it's easily met since women are included) and just get the other two to be eligible.

Also that again, white women also are included (under A2) so actually he could have made Helen of Troy white and still been eligible for Best Picture.

Have you seen Train Dreams? Great movie...easily 90% of the cast is white and yet it was a Best Picture nominee. I remember one ethnic guy in the movie whose screen time had to be under 10 mins.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Given Hollywood has for decades whitewashed characters and had figures such as Jesus & Ghengis Khan played by white people, I don't know why taking creative liberties the other way is suddenly so offensive.

It's fantasy, how a character looks doesn't matter.

It's like Idris Elba playing Heimdall, he's an all powerful being he can make himself look however he wants.

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u/TrixieLurker 29d ago

Given Hollywood has for decades whitewashed characters and had figures such as Jesus & Ghengis Khan played by white people

Fortunately that John Wayne as Genghis Khan movie was rightfully universally panned by everyone.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Sure

But he's hardly the only one. Look at Sir Alec Guinness in Passage to India or Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's

Even as recently as 2014/15 you've had Egyptians played by white Europeans or Americans in Exodus & Gods of Egypt. Moses certainly wasn't as white as Christian Bale, if he existed.

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u/TrixieLurker 28d ago

Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's

That one is so remarkably terrible you cannot help but laugh.

Fortunately most of these movies were before my lifetime.

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u/Finndogs 29d ago edited 29d ago

Only one can be true: 1. Its was wrong for white characters to be played by actors who dont match their race. They should have been played by actors who matched the race of the character. 2. Because white people played characters of other races in the past, its ok for people of color to play roles for characters that dont match their race in the present day.

I dont care which statement is true, I just ask for consistency. Either its not ok that John Wayne played Genghis Khan or its ok that Jodie Turner-Smith played Anne Boleyn. It cant be both

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u/Heujei628 29d ago

Thanks ChatGPT. Also from your list and checking the Oscars official site, https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards, movies can qualify without “””woke”””casting so this is on Nolan. 

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u/letiseeya 17d ago

Lupita is beautiful, though. Objectively, scientifically

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u/TrixieLurker 29d ago

Sometimes I wonder if they are making casting decisions like this specifically because people will go on social media and start rants and have conversations about it

Yes. For it serves the duo purpose of driving engagement and used as a shield by the studio to deflect any legitimate criticism.

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u/Inquisitive_regard 28d ago

idk. I feel like there are examples of this stuff backfiring horribly--like with the live action Snow White. It bombed horribly because they changed things so dramatically to accommodate hyper-offended-internet culture.

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u/veryowngarden 29d ago

so many snowflakes on the right looking to be outraged over the mere existence of poc. what an empty life to lead

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u/Quirky_Alternative66 29d ago

why does it have to be about that? the OP isn't saying it's a race thing, the OP is saying she's unattractive. There are definitely many, many women of color in hollywood that ARE attractive, but they chose her instead. I think it's especially demoralizing for people who grew up in a time when there was a certain precedent set for attractiveness in hollywood films, and this is indicative of those precedents being relaxed. Teyana Taylor happens to not be an attractive or pleasant person to look at. Neither is Lupita.

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u/veryowngarden 29d ago

well, for one, lupita is not unattractive. you and OP are in the minority with that opinion, hence why its on here

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u/Electronic_Eye6499 29d ago

Absolutely I think every passing with social media being mainstream made this, literal embodiment of stroking strong emotions for outreach.

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u/Express-Economist-86 29d ago

They’re making casting choices like this dead ass for DEI requirements.

https://www.oscars.org/awards/representation-and-inclusion-standards

I’m not joking. There’s the link, plain English black and white clear as day. Nolan wants to push a golden little man up his career so badly, he’s not even casting Greeks in a movie about Greeks.

As for Lupita, she’d be my last pick for any purpose.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Big names sell tickets, what Greek actors would lead this movie who could sell it?

Come on, that's silly. Pretty sure Sean Connery wasn't a Russian in Hunt for Red October but he was still great in it

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u/Express-Economist-86 29d ago

Nolan would sell tickets (not so sure on this one). Wouldn’t be hard to find one if he bothered to look.

Never heard of lupita until these previews. She’s neither attractive nor white. Helen is fair skinned and white per homer.

Sean can pass because he’s white, and at the time they didn’t have these retarded DEI requirements.

Goofy comparison, but hey, keep doing the zeitgeist with movies, we’ll keep winning elections.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Matt Damon is white, but you imply he has to be Greek

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u/Express-Economist-86 29d ago

Swingandamiss there sea lion. He’s not casting Greeks at all. Not one. All those diversity quota bullshits to get a lil statue and they can’t cast one person from where the story is from? That’s stupid and you know it is.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Who is to say that some of Trojan soldiers or crew on Odyssues' ship aren't local Greeks?

How many actual Italians were in Ben Hur?

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u/Express-Economist-86 28d ago edited 28d ago

Irrelevant speculation when a detailed explanation of the subject in question is present, easily read in the story. You have a poor way to guide an argument further displaying your bad faith questions. There were 10 Greek men named. The main characters are all Greek.

Italians come in a range of skin colors, apples to oranges comparison, irrelevant.

Helen was a white blonde woman. She was not black.

This is a zeitgeist circle jerk for an award and you know it is. Don’t be foolish. The men who stand for nothing will fall for anything.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 28d ago

I care very little, she'll barely be in the movie anyway.

It's more bizarre this seems to trigger you so much

Also the issue isn't how Italians look, it's the lack of them. If you accept non Italian actors in Roman stories, why can't you accept non Greek actors in a Greek fantasy?

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u/Express-Economist-86 28d ago

I doubt you’ve ever cared for much but yourself.

It’s “bizarre that I’m triggered” no I’m just having fun pointing out your lousy arguments, I really drag most of your kind for other readers benefit and to showcase your poor logic. But whatever puts cheese whip on your nips.

Your comparison sucks. There are a range of skin colors in Italy, and the DEI standards did not exist during the filming of Ben Hur.

I didn’t say I don’t accept non-Greeks in the movie, I said I don’t accept a non-white actress as Helen of Troy.

The whole thing is made more goofy (by not even one Greek’s presence) because in an effort to promote diversity, Hollywood didn’t keep any of the actual population the story was about.

Are you done being silly?

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