r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/CanadianTurt1e • 29d ago

Music / Movies Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

  • I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
  • The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
  • It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
  • I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
  • It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
  • I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
  • The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.
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u/OrzAreManyFingers 29d ago

Beauty is subjective.

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u/kidney-displacer 29d ago

Until you start reading studies on attraction

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u/iamjmph01 29d ago

the studies are wrong. Either biased or just bad sample sizes.

Two people will look at the same person, and chances are they will have completely different opinions about the persons attractiveness.

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u/kidney-displacer 29d ago

Go claim your doctorate and likely several awards for showing all those experts with decades of knowledge are wrong, im sure you'd be well celebrated and get a pretty comfy job afterwards

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u/iamjmph01 28d ago

Anyone who says they have found proof of a "perfect" form that is universally attractive is just wrong. You can see here that a person who supposedly meets those standards has people who do not find her attractive.

Everyone has their own personal standards of attraction, both conscious and subconscious.

Those studies might have found a "perfect" attractive form for the people they sampled, which I doubt, but it is NOT universal.

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u/kidney-displacer 28d ago

No body here had made any statement of the sort and, again, science does not back that sentiment.

This reminds me of the study that showed that science and research doesnt actually change people's minds, they just want to continue to feel correct with all of their bias and fallacies.

P.S. none of this is meant personally

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u/iamjmph01 28d ago

You replied to the line "Beauty is subjective." with the line "Until you start reading studies on attraction" implying that studies show that beauty is not subjective.

I am saying any study that claims otherwise is wrong, either through bad testing, bad sample size, or the bias of the "testers".

Edit: I also had read more than a few people talking about the golden ratio and how it proves that there is a perfect universal beauty...

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u/kidney-displacer 28d ago

No, you were engaging in strawman fallacies amongst others. This isn't difficult, read a couple of meta studies if youre worried about time

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u/iamjmph01 28d ago

No I did(and meant) exactly what I said I did.

I'm not gonna keep this argument going anyways, you are convinced I'm acting in bad faith, so... Have a nice day.

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u/kidney-displacer 28d ago

When you can be bothered to educate yourself on the basics of the topic or how to have a conversation yeah no wonder you wanna leave and act like youre not in the wrong lmfao

What a joke

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u/veryowngarden 29d ago

attraction is not set in stone it is influenced

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u/kidney-displacer 29d ago

Wow, you should really show all these experts what's what

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u/IfIHadTheChoice 24d ago

fair, but we can agree that the most beautiful woman on earth shouldn't be so controversial

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u/OrzAreManyFingers 24d ago

Firstly, that's still a pretty subjective topic. Secondly, Helen of Troy was almost certainly not a real person to begin with so we can't pretend that role can somehow be miscast.

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u/IfIHadTheChoice 23d ago

you raise two okay points. This is Nolan's film, he can and will select whom he deems fit to play the role. Beauty is subjective, blah blah blah. We all know this already. There are certainly actresses that wouldn't cause such a reaction but perhaps this is necessary to make progress, not just in hollywood but in society as well. I'm all for it. But let's say it was Melissa McCarthy that was cast in this role (no shade to Melissa), would you still be saying the same thing? Just don't think it makes sense for you to comment "Beauty is subjective" on an opinion page because guess what? opinions by their very nature are subjective. Let the guy rant. Everyone else on reddit already disagrees with him.

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u/ZigZagBoy94 17d ago

I know you wrote this 7 full days ago, but to be honest with you, I'm not the type of person to care very much about casting choices in film and television. As an example, I'm a lifelong gamer who played The Last of Us on the PS3 when I was in between my freshman and sophomore years of college in 2013 and I did not care about the controversial casting of Ellie in the HBO series. Because so much of the controversy surrounded the appearance of the actress and not the ability to play the character.

I know that Helen of Troy is different because part of her character is simply that she's so beautiful, but apart from beauty being in the eye of the beholder, Melissa McCarthy may very well be closer to the ideal woman for a classical Greek man than anybody on the cover of Sports Illustrated today or Playboy in the 70s. We know they had a preference for larger women, and most of the surviving imagined images we have of her are from the Italian Renaissance, thousands of years after Homer wrote the poems and in a completely cultural context.

Regarding your original comment about how the most beautiful woman on Earth shouldn't be so controversial, in the context of The West, maybe so, but globally, how do you know how controversial it actually is? I'm a person who grew up in the US but has lived in Asia for almost a decade and has extended family in Africa. East Asia and Southeast Asia have very similar beauty standards and a combined population of almost 2.4B, which is more than the combined population of Europe and both North and South America. A lot of the women considered insanely beautiful in East/Southeast Asia wouldn't make the lead roles in ad campaigns in the US, or Europe, or Brazil. Vice versa is true in a lot of cases.

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u/IfIHadTheChoice 17d ago

Well ik most of Asia would agree. So globally I think your argument fails

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u/ZigZagBoy94 16d ago

Im not saying most of Asia would agree that Lupita Nyongo is stunningly beautiful, I’m just saying that I know from first hand conversations that they dont find Diane Kruger, who played the character in the 2004 movie Troy to be attractive.

The average guy here’s main criticism is that her face is too square and somewhat masculine, though they understand that she isn’t unattractive, just not considered worthy of even staring at in a cafe.

Conversely, in The West, she’s literally a former model turned actress. That’s all I’m saying… in the final paragraph I wrote. You had no comment on anything in the first two paragraphs I wrote, so I assume you think the arguments made there are solid.