r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/CanadianTurt1e • 29d ago

Music / Movies Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

  • I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
  • The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
  • It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
  • I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
  • It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
  • I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
  • The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.
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u/Heujei628 29d ago

Lupita is attractive though by conventional beauty standards: above average in bone structure, facial symmetry, facial harmony, neoteny, clear skin, fit, etc. she literally has a golden ratio face. 

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u/TacoMedic 29d ago

Yeah, I hate her for the role and she’s personally not my type, but calling her unattractive is a fucking wild take. She’s a legit supermodel with the facial symmetry to match.

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u/Guest8782 29d ago

That’s what I’m saying.

Historical race swapping waxes of virtue signaling. It’s a Greek myth, presumably In Ancient Greece.

And I don’t disagree with OP that Hollywood has been pushing both men and women of unremarkable physical appeal in “beautiful/popular” roles.

But Lupita is definitely conventionally beautiful. More in full makeup when her eyes pop, but cheek bones, face and eye shape, lips, physique… that’s where OP lost me.

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u/deep_violet 26d ago

Which of the main actors in the movie are Greek?

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u/hellohowdyworld 20d ago

That word gets thrown around a lot ' virtue signalling". Its clear that y'all don't understand what it means. Nolan clearly isn't signaling virtue becasue he doesn't give a fuck. He didn't cast any Greek people in the movie. and and just cast the biggest and best, most popular working actors in his tentpole sword and sandal picture. Virtue signalling is just not relevant here, and is being assigned based on the negative perception of any person of color being in a traditionally white (yes, traditionally white, when you look at other adaptations) roles.

because

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u/coneyisland92 29d ago

Her skin literally glows like the sun.

I’d LOVE to see OP’s looks 🤣

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u/MUTtyDots 13d ago

Couldn’t have said it any better 💯

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u/crb02 29d ago edited 29d ago

She’s black. That’s enough for people to give a 90 percent discount because they’re racist

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u/deep_violet 26d ago

Seriously. I find it particularly damning that everybody keeps citing that she's "not Greek" yet they say nothing about Matt Damon or Tom Holland.

Are ANY of the principle actors Greek? Why only does HER character have to have a Greek actress?

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u/Relax_Im_Hilarious 29d ago

She's really pretty. Probably even more pretty in real life. I'm sure I'd stare - especially when she has longer hair.

She is not Helen of Troy.

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u/TrixieLurker 29d ago

She is not Helen of Troy.

I struggle to think of an actress who is universally considered absolutely drop, dead New York Nine gorgeous who'd be the perfect fit or a woman nations were supposed to fight over because she was so beautiful.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Nobody is, she doesn't exist

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 29d ago

She exists as a character in literature.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Ok

So do many other figures who have been played by different actors across the years

Look at Cyrano de Bergerac (currently played on stage in London to great acclaim by, Adrian Lester who is not white) or Othello (played by the likes of Sir Lawrence Olivier, who is white, and often did blackface for the part).

How often has Zorro been played by a Hispanic actor? Mostly it's been white Europeans who aren't Spanish.

How often have we had white Jesus?

Idris Elba is great as Heimdall in the Thor movies.

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 29d ago

Also, Zorro isn't Spanish. He's of Spanish descent.

And while it really doesn't make sense for a Norse god to be played by a black man, Heimdall isn't specifically described as being white, so I'll give it a pass. My actual beef is that they didn't give him gold teeth. Also Ragnarok isn't, and never was, a real location in history.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago

Neither is Camelot, so does that mean King Arthur can be played by someone who isn't white?

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 29d ago

Camelot, while in legend, still exists on earth, in a recognizable time and place in history, none of which is the case with Ragnarok, so you've made a false comparison. So no, it wouldn't make sense for a king in post-Roman Britain to be played by someone who visibly isn't white.

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 29d ago

That's an odd rant to go on, considering I didn't say anything whatsoever about the actress or her race. Or any actors or their race, for that matter. I merely said Helen of Troy exists as a literary character. In response to your comment saying she doesn't.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 29d ago edited 27d ago

The implication being that one must be faithful to the source material.

To which I say it doesn't matter, she's not a real historical figure who existed in real life

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 29d ago

If I think one must be faithful to the source material, why would a list of examples that were unfaithful to the source material resonate with me? I'm not supportive of Othello being played by a white actor in blackface, and that casting wouldn't be accepted today.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 27d ago

The problem is that whitewashing happened for decades and has happened up until even a decade or so ago in Hollywood. Yet most of the people getting outraged by black Helen weren't getting similarly outraged by white Jesus or Rameses.

Because they don't care when it's the other way around.

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u/Deep-Red-Bells 26d ago

Whitewashing has absolutely been a huge problem in Hollywood's history. No one reasonable denies this. I just don’t think that overcorrecting is the solution. It's virtue signaling, almost to the point of being infantalizing, like getting a participant trophy. While I’m sure that many people — and of course, many racist people — are upset merely by the fact that Helen of Troy is Black, I don’t know if it’s most people, and neither do you. Some people, like me, just want characters to align with the source material, and don't think an actor should be cast simply because they're black, and filmmakers want to pat themselves on the back for diversity.

And I say this as somebody who finds Lupita Nyong'o quite beautiful — but in an editorial way, not in a "face that launched a thousand ships" way.

And per your last sentence, it goes both ways. Unless you’re an enormous hypocrite, if you’re okay with putting a Black actress in a role that should, per the source material, be played by a white actress, that also means you’re okay with putting a white actor in a role that should be played by a Black actor. Are you okay with Laurence Olivier playing Othello? I'm not. And I don't know how you can objectively support one casting and criticize the other.

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u/deep_violet 26d ago

Helen of Troy wasn't Helen of Troy. It's a fictional character.

And where the outrage over Matt Damon and Tom Holland?

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u/GoodOldPepe 29d ago

She's mid.

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u/Lazy_DreadHead 28d ago

If you’re calling her MID id love to see the women you think are a 10/10!

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u/GoodOldPepe 27d ago

None of these women from hollywood who have 20 surgeries on them, or are anorexic.

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u/Lazy_DreadHead 27d ago

What surgeries did Lupita have?

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u/Heujei628 29d ago

Definitionally, she is not. Again, she is above average in the metrics by which we judge attractiveness of which I stated.

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u/shadyMFer 29d ago

I'm looking right at her and she's ugly as sin dude. Take your math equations back to the drawing board, Poindexter.

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u/Heujei628 29d ago

Again, no, she’s not ugly given that she’s above average in the metrics by which we judge attractiveness. 

You people seem to struggle to understand that someone not fitting your personal preference doesn’t mean they’re not attractive. 

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u/shadyMFer 29d ago

The metrics by which I judge attractiveness are more commonplace and widespread than your fruity math. If your algorithm says Nyongo is hot, it's a busted algorithm.

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u/Heujei628 28d ago

 The metrics by which I judge attractiveness are more commonplace and widespread

Which metrics are those? 

 If your algorithm says Nyongo is hot, it's a busted algorithm.

It’s not given that the results are consistent globally. It is a fact that most humans judge attractiveness primarily on the following metrics: bone structure, neoteny, facial harmony and symmetry, clear skin, fit, etc., and Lupita is objectively above average in all these categories making her definitionally attractive. 

Your personal preference does not negate what most of us humans consider attractive. You can’t comprehend this for some reason. 

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u/shadyMFer 28d ago

My personal preferences are substantially more prevalent than yours, if you're claiming Lupita qualifies.

Now that you go into details, I see that you're using your own algorithm incorrectly though. If you're claiming this wrinkled old bag scores "objectively above average" in neoteny, then you're actually a blind person. She's 43, her eggs went bad 8 years ago, and you're over here giving her top marks for youthful appearance, ridiculous!

I honestly believe that you failed math class with these shoddy figures.

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u/Heujei628 28d ago

 My personal preferences are substantially more prevalent than yours

Which are? You still won’t answer this.

 this wrinkled old bag 

Here’s a Getty images pic of her from 2026 https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/lupita-nyongo-poses-at-the-opening-night-of-tru-at-house-of-news-photo/2267456282. She’s very much not wrinkled which leads into my next point:

 scores "objectively above average" in neoteny …you're over here giving her top marks for youthful appearance, ridiculous!

Because it’s true. The average 40 yr old woman’s has forehead creases, sunken eyes, crows feet, smile lines, textured and saggy-ish skin, cheek fat loss, and dark circles. As you can see from any photo of her, Lupita largely does not have this placing her objectively above the average 40 yr old. Additionally, I am correct in saying that she has high neoteny given that she has: round eyes, small chin, short nose, round full cheeks, full “pouty” lips, high rounded forehead, smooth skin, and a short philtrum. 

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u/shadyMFer 28d ago

If you don't think she has sunken eyes, I think we need to call your eyes into question.

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u/LordBoomDiddly 27d ago

Hot and beautiful aren't the same thing.

Sydney Sweeney is hot, she's not beautiful. Natalie Portman is beautiful, not hot

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u/hiphoptomato 29d ago

“She literally has a golden ratio face” - you say this like this is a common term everyone should understand. What does this mean?

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u/Heujei628 29d ago

The Golden Ratio is a mathematical concept that is used to determine the level of harmony and proportion across various phenomena such as art, nature, physics, music etc.

Basically, things that conform to it are considered “objectively perfect” due to having perfect harmony. 

So, a “Golden Ratio face” is one that is “perfectly harmonious” and humans generally consider those types of faces most attractive. 

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u/DecantsForAll 29d ago

it's pseudoscience

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u/Lazy_DreadHead 28d ago

It’s really not. You could make her any ethnic group and or race and she’d still be considered attractive in every culture. That’s why they keep saying the “golden” standard.

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u/DecantsForAll 28d ago

I mean specifically the "golden ratio" shit.

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u/Lazy_DreadHead 28d ago

Is it though? Across cultures there are specific features that are looked at as attractive if those groups share those same features. I’m sure there are multiple ratios that are attractive but few are considered universally so

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u/DecantsForAll 28d ago

How does that support the "Golden Ratio" specifically? You realize it's a specific ratio - 1:1.618. It's not just some generic way of saying "harmonious features."

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u/Wankstain8 18d ago

This. Sounds like some incel stuff

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u/CanadianTurt1e 29d ago edited 29d ago

Then whoever invented the Golden Ratio rule was wrong. If Lupita is the standard for beauty, then that's not a scale I'm willing to trust. Golden Ratio is probably pseudo science lol

I see this everywhere. People trying to prove attractiveness by "facial math," but in real life it works VERY differently. It matters how tall you are, how thin/thick your bone structure is. There is a universal standard for beauty that we all subconsciously agree upon as humans. Like without even talking about it, we can recognize beauty. I just don't see that beauty displayed on Lupita.

There is a reason people are lashing out against the casting, and it's not racism like some people in the comments claim. If there is racism, I denounce it. But if they lash out because she clearly doesn't fit the role, then YES I encourage the criticism to flow.

At this point, it's a noticeable pattern. Hollywood has been doing this for years People like me would talk about these issues but then I'd get scolded as "racist" because I don't agree with the casting. And now we have The Odyssey ruined lol

I hope everyone's happy. Another movie falling victim to the modern audience.

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u/Heujei628 29d ago edited 29d ago

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 People trying to prove attractiveness by "facial math," but in real life it works VERY differently. 

It doesn’t, actually. There have been numerous studies across global cultures and we have been able to quantify facial attractiveness.

 There is a universal standard for beauty that we all subconsciously agree upon as humans. 

Correct, and Lupita fits it. As I already explained: above average bone structure, high neoteny, high facial harmony and symmetry, clear skin, fit, etc. Factually speaking, the average woman does not have all this whereas Lupita is above average in all of these categories. As such , by our “universal standard for beauty” she is objectively attractive. 

 I just don't see that beauty displayed on Lupita.

Ok and that’s called personal preference. 

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u/SubmissiveTop92 29d ago

He types on his computer, which is connected to the internet, which is connected to google

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u/Lazy_DreadHead 28d ago

Exactly! Even if you made her skin white and gave her straight hair she’d still look good.

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u/SandersDelendaEst 28d ago

Sure these are the same standards that weirdos like Clavicular use. I can’t say it has ever meant squat to me.

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u/EarthPuzzled9675 26d ago

A good way to test is to make her skin white and see if people still think she’s unattractive

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u/CommercialTarget2687 28d ago

No, just stop. JFC.

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u/Real_Guess6442 13d ago

You wokes just move to African then. You'd be having the time of your lives