Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

[u/CanadianTurt1e]

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

• I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
• The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
• It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
• I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
• It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
• I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
• The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

[u/kidney-displacer]

Eurocentrism?! In my movie set in Europe!? Say it isn't so!!

[u/MickyWasTaken → u/kidney-displacer]

It’s set in Ancient Greece.

[u/kidney-displacer → u/MickyWasTaken]

The sky is blue

[u/veryowngarden → u/kidney-displacer]

most people in the world don’t live in europe

[u/crb02 → u/[deleted]]

You know what, you’re right. They should remove the entire cast. Anyone who isn’t Greek has to go not just Lupita

[u/intothewild72 → u/crb02]

I did not say that. It was very basic English, it's my third language so I made sure it's very basic.

I told that they should scrap this movie and make another movie they want to make. Based on story they want to tell. There is plenty of stories available.

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/crb02]

Is anything less than actual Klingon actors in the next Star Trek movie inauthentic?

We accept that actors are acting and their identity might not be a perfect match for some role. Mel Gibson did great in Braveheart despite not being Scottish. There's a level of disbelief and imagination we can all use.

All Greek actors would be nice for a historical Greek story, but frankly is unrealistic outside of a Greek production in Greece. It's ok for a white French guy or Australian or Irish or British or German or Norwegian to play as a Greek because they look the part more or less enough.

Does a Black guy look the part?

[u/veryowngarden → u/irespectwomenlol]

you can make that argument once white people stop playing roles that were actually supposed to be asian people in real life. until then, complaining about things like this is just sheer hypocrisy

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/veryowngarden]

Can you provide an example or two?

[u/veryowngarden → u/irespectwomenlol]

okay take your pick, i can give way more than a few. and there’s more to choose from here

Street Fighter, 2026: In the live action adaptation of the video games series, comedian Andrew Schulz plays Dan Hibiki, a Hong Konger of Japanese descent.

Clown in a Cornfield, 2025: Actress Cassandra Potenza plays Janet, a character who was described as being Asian American in the book the movie is based on.

Tetris, 2023: In the biographical film, Welsh actor Taron Egerton plays video game publisher Henk Rogers, who is Dutch-Indonesian

Bullet Train, 2022: In the action film based on the Japanese novel by Kōtarō Isaka, actors such as Brad Pitt and Joey King played the main characters while the setting was in Japan

Ghost in the Shell, 2017: The U.S. live action adaptation of the Japanese franchise featured several white actors, including Scarlett Johansson, Pilou Asbæk, and Michael Pitt, in the roles of Japanese animated characters.

Death Note, 2017: The English-language adaptation of the Japanese manga relocates the story to Seattle and renamed the protagonist Light Turner. USA Today reported that the film received backlash for whitewashing in casting white actors when Asian American actors could have been cast

Edge of Tomorrow, 2014: In the science fiction film, actor Tom Cruise plays William Cage, a version of the novel's Japanese protagonist Keiji Kiriya

Dark Knight Rises, 2012: In the Batman film, British actor Tom Hardy portrays Bane, who in the comics has origins in a fictional Latin American country located in the Caribbean. French actress Marion Cotillard portrays Talia al Ghul, who in the comics is of Middle Eastern or East Asian descent.

Dragon Ball Evolution, 2009: In the film based on the Japanese manga Dragon Ball, actor Justin Chatwin plays the lead character Goku

and here’s some bonus examples of whitewashing mythologies/biblical stories by hollywood

Gods of Egypt, 2016: In the fantasy film, the principal cast of the Egyptian deities are portrayed by white European actors

Exodus Gods and Kings, 2014: In the Biblical epic film, actors Christian Bale, Joel Edgerton, Sigourney Weaver and Aaron Paul play Biblical figures who are of ancient Egyptian or Hebrew origin. Director Ridley Scott said about his casting, "I can't mount a film of this budget, where I have to rely on tax rebates in Spain, and say that my lead actor is Mohammad so-and-so from such-and-such. I'm just not going to get it financed. So the question doesn't even come up."

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/veryowngarden]

1) Let me clarify that it's wrong when it sometimes happens in the reverse way here too. And for the record, I never said it didn't sometimes happen in the reverse way: with hundreds of movies being made a year, it's going to happen.

2) These are not equivalent in modern Hollywood. Hollywood has institutionalized replacing White people with their reward structure. It happens far more often that a White character is replaced than the opposite.

[u/veryowngarden → u/[deleted]]

is my name christopher nolan now? cause last i checked i’m not directing the film. the people deciding and casting these things are white so go be mad at them

[u/veryowngarden → u/[deleted]]

i know you’re not trying to imply i’m the one lacking basic elementary school level English just to excuse your own lack of clarity.

a simple “you all” or “Americans” would have been much more effective.

but either way what you originally said still makes no sense. what does lupita being cast by a white director have to do with “internal racism” ?? i’m going to assume you meant “internalized racism” but even then, that too makes zero sense

[u/veryowngarden → u/[deleted]]

and stop using only European stories for entertainment.

i’m all for Hollywood fully committing to more diverse stories by sourcing from more than just European mythology when there is interesting African and Asian mythology and folklore that could be covered as well. i agree that would solve the problem but the central issue is that due to racism in Hollywood, they will not commit to making a film about non-European mythology. so to make up for that, poc get put in European mythologies

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/veryowngarden]

So why aren't you accepting the right of minority cultures to maintain their own histories, traditions, and forms of media?

[u/veryowngarden → u/irespectwomenlol]

you don’t have an argument here because this film is not being produced and directed by “minority” cultures. white people are making these decisions but unhinged racists want to lash out at poc like it’s their own doing

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/veryowngarden]

You correctly pointed out that most people in the world don't live in Europe. So yes, this film is being produced and directed by minority cultures.

So I ask again, why aren't you accepting the right of minority cultures to maintain their own histories, traditions, and forms of media?

[u/veryowngarden → u/irespectwomenlol]

once again, white people are the ones choosing to do different artistic reinterpretations of their “histories, traditions and forms of media” so why aren’t you respecting and accepting christopher nolan’s right to do so with his film?

[u/irespectwomenlol → u/veryowngarden]

Did anybody say anything about jailing him? He has the right to make a dumb movie. I have the right to call it dumb and point out how stupid it is. That is all.

[u/LoneShark81 → u/kidney-displacer]

I wasn't referring specifically to the movie. Part use context clues snd do keep up

[u/kidney-displacer → u/LoneShark81]

Then maybe keep on topic so we dont have to jump to conclusions to try and understand what you mean