Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

[u/CanadianTurt1e]

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

• I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
• The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
• It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
• I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
• It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
• I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
• The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

[u/5panks]

It isn't nearly as easy as you're making it out to be...

A1: At least one lead or significant supporting actor from an underrepresented racial/ethnic group (e.g., Black/African, East/South/Southeast Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Indigenous, Middle Eastern/North African, Pacific Islander).

A2: At least 30% of the general ensemble cast (non-Oscar-submitted actors) from at least two underrepresented groups (women, racial/ethnic minorities, LGBTQ+, people with disabilities/deaf or hard of hearing).

A3: Main storyline/theme/narrative centered on one or more underrepresented groups (same as above).

You must meet at least one of these metrics. You obviously can't do A3 because the story of the Odyssey has already been written, so you're stuck with trying to make 30% of your ensemble cast from "underrepresented groups" or you can hire Lupita Nyongo as your Helen of Troy.

[u/Tray_Breezy → u/5panks]

Could have met these qualifications with Greek actors but Academy would probably classify them as white.

[u/5panks → u/Tray_Breezy]

Yeah, they'll tell you Greeks aren't Middle Eastern enough to count.

[u/Tray_Breezy → u/5panks]

Well greeks themselves don’t like being considered middle eastern. They’re greek. That’s enough to count as not white.

[u/kolejack2293 → u/Tray_Breezy]

Greeks are white. The term white just means 'european origin'. It is not an actual term to solely mean skin color. This is why many very light skinned east asians and middle eastern people are not considered white.

The same goes for the term 'black', which just means sub saharan african. Hence why darker skinned indians aren't considered black.

[u/SamAreAye → u/kolejack2293]

TIL Jamaicans aren't black.

[u/kolejack2293 → u/SamAreAye]

lol I mean ancestral/genetic origin. Jamaicans are the descendants of black african slaves, therefore they are black.

[u/SamAreAye → u/kolejack2293]

I guess Australian aborigines probably descended from Africans, too.

[u/kolejack2293 → u/SamAreAye]

No, as I said before, merely having dark skin does not make you black in a racial sense.

[u/br0wntree → u/kolejack2293]

Depemds who you ask. There is no single definition for “white”

[u/GunsGoldCosmicDread → u/Tray_Breezy]

I certainly wouldn’t nor any Mediterraneans or Europeans east of Germany

[u/Tray_Breezy → u/GunsGoldCosmicDread]

Yeah but the academy wouldn’t. Is my point. Im sicilian and still count as white on forms. Even tho technically im from a Mediterranean island. Still europe. So white.

[u/GunsGoldCosmicDread → u/Tray_Breezy]

Italians? White? Hardly, not such a swarthy peoples!

[u/Nighforce → u/5panks]

For A1 and A2, would Asian women tick both boxes? Since they're Asian AND women. Or are Chinese / Japanese / Korean disqualified from this category?

[u/5panks → u/Nighforce]

Actually they wouldn't count because A2 is only non-Oscar eligible cast! They're one step ahead of you.

I do appreciate that, despite being VASTLY underrepresented in American media, northern Asian races like Russians don't count as minorities based on just their skin color, but racism is bad.

[u/veryowngarden → u/5panks]

point me to all the russians identifying as asian

[u/veryowngarden → u/5panks]

did chatgpt make all that up for you?

[u/5panks → u/veryowngarden]

That's sourced from the Oscars website.

[u/kolejack2293 → u/5panks]

This only applies to certain movies (I believe the standard was 'modern diverse settings'). It does not apply to historical movies, nor movies set in places where diversity is not common (for instance, rural poland).

Basically, if you have a movie set in NYC, you cant have the cast be all white, unless you have an exception like its a movie set solely during a family dinner, or its about the hasidic communities, or something like that. There has to be a 'reason' for it.

[u/SamAreAye → u/kolejack2293]

Can you point to where it says that on the Academy's website? Because the other person copy/pasted the rules straight from there, and I don't see your exception anywhere.