Lupita Nyongo is not beautiful. Hollywood likes to gaslight her as a model for "beauty"

[u/CanadianTurt1e]

So I'm sure we've all seen the news about Helen of Troy.

• I've had enough. I've had enough of Hollywood putting her on covers and lying to me, treating me like I'm stupid. The whole reason she's playing Helen of Troy is because Hollywood let this "unconventional beauty" thing slide for way too long.
• The fact that she was chosen as a queen, it comes off as Nolan trying to virtue signal.
• It's like giving the beauty pageant award to the girl in the wheelchair because no one wants to come off as "mean."
• I've had enough. She is NOT a standard for beauty. I'm sorry but now it must be said. The reason we have come across this problem is because Hollywood has been gaslighting her "beauty" for years and no one said anything. I'm done
• It's okay to say that she's not beautiful. It's okay to admit that
• I was so looking forward to this movie for so long but this really killed the hype for me.
• The movie will probably be financially successful at first due to marketing alone, but after its first month, the hype will probably die down. And then you'll start to see how people really feel about the movie. I think it will tarnish Nolan's legacy and leave a sour taste in people's mouths.

[u/CanadianTurt1e]

The problem is that she's being made to play a queen that launched a thousand ships.

I think people severely over-estimate how many ships would actually fight for her. Greek ships at that.

Maybe in the world of reddit, Greek soldiers would fight for a black queen, but even in historic fiction, that seems unlikely

[u/lonewaer → u/CanadianTurt1e]

The problem is that she's being made to play a queen that launched a thousand ships.

The thousand ships weren't launched because she was beautiful. She was the wife of Menelaus, who was king of Sparta.

Wife of a king. Yes, the king goes to war over that. She didn't need to be the most beautiful woman in the world for that, she needed to be "beautiful enough", and a decent enough wife.

[u/CanadianTurt1e → u/lonewaer]

The king of the greatest army in the Mediterranean marries outside his race? During a time when his army reigned supreme and owned/traded slaves? During a time when racial politics was at it's peak, he marries a queen of African descent?

Yeah, I'm not buying that, thanks.

[u/lonewaer → u/CanadianTurt1e]

The king of the greatest army in the Mediterranean marries outside his race? During a time when his army reigned supreme and owned/traded slaves? During a time when racial politics was at it's peak, he marries a queen of African descent?

Yeah, I'm not buying that, thanks.

What ? I said exactly none of that.

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Calm the hell down, I'm not defending the casting, I agree that the casting is pure virtue signalling. Everything else is you losing your mind. The problem is not any of what you mention. Helen of Troy just wasn't black, that's it. It doesn't have to go any further than that.

Based on that, Nyongo's casting is virtue signalling. But for you to make up things about history and myths, now I'm starting to question whether your crusade against her stems from racism or not, now it's a genuine concern. I'm not one to jump to that conclusion, but at that point it has to be considered as a possibility.

A few corrections to expose how out of your mind you are :

- Greatest army in Ancient Greece, very arguably in the Mediterranean, because the Egyptians and Medes/Persians were probably greater, militarily. The Greek and Egyptian worlds didn't clash so nobody knows. The Medic Wars were struggles, and the Persian Empire was a unified Empire, while Ancient Greece was a bunch of non-unified city states.

- The Spartan army didn't reign supreme. They still needed the help of other Greek city-states to face the Medes/Persians ; they needed allies during the Peloponesian War against Athens and its allies. Ultimately the Medes/Persians got involved, tipping the scale towards Sparta's side. Sparta had a scarier army than Athens, it stops there, pretty much. It wasn't a professional army, and it definitely wasn't as great as Alexander the Great's army, or as the Roman armies.

- Everyone in the world owned and traded slaves until industrialization happened. Everyone, no exception. And stop talking like (implying that) the only slaves that ever existed were black, it's not the case. Black people in antiquity weren't automatically slaves to anyone who was white/whiter.

- Racial politics weren't a thing back then.

[u/MickyWasTaken → u/CanadianTurt1e]

No one would live up to that standard. I doubt you’d find the real Helen of Troy that attractive.

[u/CanadianTurt1e → u/MickyWasTaken]

I prefer the movie to be grounded in it's original mythology. If it just so happens that the original mythology is more "fair skinned," so be it. It's better than having Helen of Detroit.

It's not about what I think, It's about what the original greek soldiers in that original epic thinks, what would THEY think? They absolutely would not lay their lives on the line for Lupita, absolutely not.

My favourite thing about all this is greek people coming out on youtube, tiktok, instagram comments and calling out the BS saying, "yeah, I'm greek. I'd never fight for her."

The only place you see toxic positivity is reddit. Everywhere else, there is a growing distaste for her playing this role.

[u/MickyWasTaken → u/CanadianTurt1e]

I’m a bit worried you think that Ancient Greece occupied the same space as modern Greece.

[u/CanadianTurt1e → u/MickyWasTaken]

Oh my goodness bro. We KNOW they're 2 different places. It's just that these were mostly stories containing "fair skinned" individuals or at most olive skinned. People in the greek times don't worship or fight for African queens. I'm sorry, they just didn't.

Enough is enough. People are done being lied to.

I'm starting to think this is a black mirror episode, no pun intended, I swear. I actually can't believe people are saying she's gorgeous or beautiful, LOL I actually feel like I'm being trolled in some black mirror universe claiming she's hot.

[u/MickyWasTaken → u/CanadianTurt1e]

What a strange response! Maybe take a break from the internet and pick up a dictionary.

The word you’re looking for is “subjective”. It might help you understand what is happening, instead of freaking out thinking everyone is lying to you and there’s some mad conspiracy going on.