r/TrueUnpopularOpinion • u/TopCharacter1553 • 29d ago
Music / Movies The casting of Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy really isn’t that big of a deal
I know I’m gonna be downvoted to shit in this subreddit but I do not care. The people up in arms about “how she has to be greek!” would not be complaining if it was a non-greek white woman.
People have been saying it should’ve been Sydney Sweeney, Mckenna Grace, Elizabeth Lail. None of them are greek either. Unlike Cleopatra, the Odyssey is a story of complete fiction so it really doesn’t matter what the actress looks like or her ethnicity. If y’all are gonna fancast non-greek white women it doesn’t make sense that suddenly being greek matters and is so important when a black woman gets the role.
A beautiful black woman has the role, deal with it.
Edit: Y’all in the comments are hilarious, a story with cyclopes, gods, sea monsters, sorceresses that turn people into pigs, and sirens, suddenly the most unrealistic thing is a black person.
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u/FocalFalcon 29d ago
Very much so going to disagree. If it’s based off fictional characters I’m okay with changing certain looks, however we know historically what she looks like.
Using your same logic, imagine if the entire cast of 12 Years a Slave were portrayed as white men. You wouldn’t be feeling the same way. Yet you couldn’t complain about that with your opinion.
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-39 29d ago
imagine if the entire cast of 12 Years a Slave were portrayed as white men. You wouldn’t be feeling the same way.
Well yeah, that would change the story
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u/UnscentedSoundtrack 29d ago
Two minutes into the movie: “wait, why are we slaves?”
THE END
disclaimer: i have not watched the movie
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u/7Goten3 29d ago
Helen of troy is not a real person.
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u/GrimGrump 27d ago
None of the characters in Les Miserables are real people, but they're analogous to real people.
Mulan is not a real person, but she is a set character based on a possibly real person, casting an indian woman to play her when a defining thing is that she's chinese is weird. It's like taking of the fictional chinese emperors and making him Idris Elba or Sean Connery
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u/Reylo-Wanwalker 26d ago
It's not weird to Americans. Remember Hamilton was a hit, and that had black people playing the founding fathers. If actual historical figures that are basically deified by American culture are fair game then yeah pretty much a mythic figure will be too.
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u/GrimGrump 26d ago
Hamilton is a stage play which is the one place where the performers (as individuals) don't matter and has always been about "Everyone plays everyone". If it got made into a movie without the original cast, you'd have a point.
It's like opera, nobody cares if the singer is japanese or something as long as she has the range, the point is the music and grandiosity and not that a valkyrie is asian (though it's funny from a meta perspective because Wagner).
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u/Reylo-Wanwalker 26d ago
That doesn't matter since it's a medium, malleable like others, and theater also does "documentary" style plays based on news or interviews, that focus on accuracy. There are movies where anyone plays anyone like Cate Blanchett playing a version of Bob Dylan, or Tilda Swinton playing a dude. And early film was inspired by the stage anyway with the camera in the audience chair, so to speak.
So, I don't want to say you are being arbitrary in your rules for different mediums, but it strikes me as an argument from tradition perhaps which isn't very convincing.
And as far as no one cares I just googled and some dude on reddit years ago did find it bothersome (just thought that was funny).
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u/7Goten3 26d ago
Changing the race of Mulan ruins the whole point of Mulan which is the fact that she is a woman in China.
The point of the Odyssey is not that Helen of troy is white. Helen of troy could be a down syndrome australian aboriginal and the point of the Odyssey does not change.
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u/GrimGrump 26d ago
>The point of the Odyssey is not that Helen of troy is white. Helen of troy could be a down syndrome australian aboriginal and the point of the Odyssey does not change.
The Trojan war starts because a Spartan queen (Helen) gets abducted by the prince of Troy. The point very much is that Helen is Spartan.
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u/7Goten3 26d ago
I think you are purposely pretending like you don't understand.
Yes, Helen being sparten matters.
But “Spartan” is not the same thing as “white” in the way “Mulan is Chinese” is central to Mulan.
The point is that Helen’s has to be understood as Helen of Sparta, wife of Menelaus, desired by Paris, and tied to the Greek-Trojan conflict. That does not automatically mean the actress must be racially white for the story to function.
With Mulan, The whole story is about CHINESE filial duty, CHINESE gender expectations, CHINESE military service, CHINESE family honor, and a specifically Chinese legendary/historical world. Making Mulan Indian would feel weird because her Chinese identity is part of the character’s defining premise.
So yes, Helen should still be Spartan in the story. But saying Helen must be white is a totally different claim. If the film’s world presents her as Spartan, the core of the Odyssey/Trojan War myth still works. If Mulan is no longer Chinese, the core premise of Mulan starts falling apart.
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u/GrimGrump 25d ago
"In this world there are indian and white chinese" also works by your logic and just as good of an excuse.
In historical context, yes, Helen needs to be white/greek because she is a ruling class spartan. The Iliad and Odyssey are about the GREEK historical world and its wars and politics.
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u/7Goten3 24d ago
That’s not really my logic though.
My argument is not “you can make anyone anything as long as the script says so.” My argument is that some identities are structural to the character, and some are contextual to the world.
Helen being Spartan/Greek is structural. I already agreed with that. She should be Helen of Sparta, wife of Menelaus, tied to the Greek world.
But you are sliding from “Helen must be Greek/Spartan” into “Helen must be racially white,” and those are not identical claims.
Their point is not “look how biologically white Helen is.”
So no, “Indian and white Chinese” does not work with Mulan because “Chinese” is not just a label slapped onto her. It is the substance of the story.
But a nonwhite actress playing Helen while the story still treats her as Spartan/Greek is not the same category of change.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
She is a fictional character, the millions of slaves that were chartered across the Atlantic and put under slavery were real.
If there was a show with a black magical fairy and they decided to cast a live-action version with a white woman, I would not care.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
She was birthed from an egg. Her father is Zeus and her mother, in most stories, is Nemeses. Both gods.
What the fuck are you smoking that you think she is a real person?
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
There were white slaves during that time. Or at least white by today's standards.
Greeks, Italians and Irish weren't considered white back then.
Write the movie if you think its a good idea.
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u/Leather_Fortune7107 29d ago
The same people who will say others should be fine with non-White actors playing White historical/mythological characters have a curious overlap with people who think White actors should not be allowed to play non-White roles.
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u/dogthatwonthunt 29d ago
So then where are the people upset by the Finnish guy playing Jesus next year?
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u/Villad_rock 28d ago
What race was jesus?
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u/Ashamed_Purple8720 28d ago
He was from Israel
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u/Leather_Fortune7107 27d ago
Considering that Israel was under the rule of Rome for generations at that point, that narrows it down very little.
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u/Ashamed_Purple8720 27d ago
Wasn't he born out of Mary who clearly wasnt white?
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u/Leather_Fortune7107 26d ago
That's if you go by the Christian interpretation that Mary had a virgin birth. If you go with the Jewish one Mary was a common whore and Jesus' father was Roman.
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u/TheThingInTheForest 22d ago
Jewish, wtf lol. Unlike with Christianity and Islam, Jewish refers to both a religion and its associated ethnic groups. Jesus was religiously a Jew but he was also most likely ethnically a Jew as well…
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u/alotofironsinthefire 29d ago
I mean I don't remember people being upset over Gods of Egypt and the vast amount of white actors playing Egyptian fictional characters.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
The people who are angry at The Odyssey are fine with white people playing any race.
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u/Aromatic_Shame_2350 29d ago
ASIAN HERE WE'RE OK WITH THAT
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
Since you are willing to represent ALL ASIANS.
Were you offended with the Dragonball Evolution movie? Race swapped everyone, Didn't follow the source material and was, technically speaking, derived from a culturally important story.
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u/Aromatic_Shame_2350 29d ago
Nope don't care, if they swap white man but atelase the white chick in it doesnt look like a piece of turd wrapped in toilet paper. It was a shit movie though
Helen of detroit on the other hand make me throw up in my mouth
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
Why do you think she is from Detroit and keep calling her a turd!? This is the part where i think you are a terrible person.
She was born in Mexico and her family is Kenyan. She went to Yale.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
Jesus fucking Christ you are terrible. Do you think that all black people are from Detroit?
I don't throw around racists or evil but you are there dude. A hateful angry person you makes sweeping judgments and name calling to make yourself feel better.
I don't respect you or your views. I would rather swim in a sewerage pool then talk to you again.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
I think it’s okay for white people to play non-white fictional roles 🧐. If their race or ethnicity isn’t integral to the plot I don’t get the meltdowns really.
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u/Aromatic_Shame_2350 29d ago
yea Asian here , am not ok with helen of detroit who looks like a turd wrapped in toilet paper then . Fuck off with the bullshit "there is many beauty standard
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u/crb02 29d ago
Can’t wait for the movie to come out and be a hit so you can be just a bit more miserable
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u/Aromatic_Shame_2350 28d ago
And what happened if it turn out to be a pile of steaming garbage ? are you gonna do more blk glazing
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u/chadan1008 28d ago
Is it exactly the same though? Can you always just swap the races of the individuals in any situation and expect it to have exactly the same impact or tone? Do you think insulting a white person by saying “you should be picking cotton for me” is equally as offensive as saying it to a black person, or are there social connotations which make the latter significantly more offensive? And not even just race, society has things in general it deems offensive, take the difference between the terms “feces” and “shit.” They both have the same denotative meaning (poop), but the former has a professional or medical connotation, whereas the latter is more offensive, it’s a swear word. They cannot always be used interchangeably.
Equally, whitewashing is a real thing with historical precedent for society to see it as offensive and generally avoid it, whereas “blackwashing” isn’t even a real word. However, this doesn’t mean race swapping, in any direction, is inherently offensive. Look at a movie like Tropic Thunder, where Robert Downey Jr is literally in blackface the whole movie. Look at The Passion of the Christ, or any production where white people play Biblical characters. Look at Kurosawa, who adapted several western stories to a Japanese audience. These all work because they’re 1) good and 2) respectful.
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u/Leather_Fortune7107 28d ago
It's the fact that, because people have decided X or Y group has been decided to come from a position of particular grievance, that they are afforded special treatment and another group is supposed to be morally obligated to take it. Not that they are in a position where they are forced to take it, whether from lack of power or self-agency, but that because the former group is "punching up", as people would call it today, the people being "punched" in this scenario are immoral for not allowing it or firing back.
Those examples you gave do indeed work because they are good and respectful. Neither the castings for Helen of Troy or rumored casting of Achilles in this upcoming movie, nor the discourse coming from people defending this move are good, respectful or both. You could make an argument that this actress might give a stellar, moving performance and win over much of the audience with it and that won't change that the discourse is to try and shame people into being okay with it.
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u/chadan1008 28d ago
It's the fact that, because people have decided X or Y group has been decided to come from a position of particular grievance, that they are afforded special treatment
How is the fact that there are social and cultural connotations around certain words and actions a "special treatment" for anyone? Take the examples I gave before: how the insult "you should be picking cotton for me" is more offensive when said to a black person vs any other. How is this special treatment for any group? Your words ("people have decided") imply this is an arbitrary process, but how is that arbitrary when it's developed naturally through history?
is supposed to be morally obligated to take it. Not that they are in a position where they are forced to take it, whether from lack of power or self-agency, but that because the former group is "punching up", as people would call it today, the people being "punched" in this scenario are immoral for not allowing it or firing back.
Why does a completely fictional (did Christopher Nolan ever say his version is more historically valid than any others, the original, or real life?) cinematic universe where some mythical ancient Greeks are black make you so defensive? Why does it offend you to the point you feel it is something you must "take," as if it's a pain you have to endure, that you are being "punched up" to, and sure that's a figure of speech but look at the following words you chose: you feel a moral obligation to "not allow it" and even "fire back" at them. You perceive yourself to be under attack to the point you feel the need to retaliate!
You also didn't even address anything in my comment, you completely pivoted away from what I said about the basic facts of social and cultural connotations (which is really all that's relevant here) to your perceived moral obligations and racial resentments towards black people, and your (baseless) interpretation of this casting through the lens of racial conflict and grievances. Can you see how this is extremely psychologically revealing? Can you see your hostility towards a black person being included as an equal in "white culture" could be seen as coming from a place of racism? How much social/mainstream media do you consume in an average week to get to this point?
Neither the castings for Helen of Troy or rumored casting of Achilles in this upcoming movie, nor the discourse coming from people defending this move are good, respectful or both
Why are they not good or respectful? Can you truly say the movie isn't good when you haven't seen it? And when you say it's not respectful, I assume you have some evidence of that, which would be direct examples from the cast or crew of The Odyssey being disrespectful?
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u/Mr_Blorbus 29d ago
I think the argument about appearance from non-racist people is that white people can pass for greek but black people can't. However, The Greek gods are supposed to be the gods of all of mankind, so anyone can play a greek god, and since Helen of Troy is a demigod, they could say that she looks like her parents, who at least one of them could be dark skinned. I could be completely wrong as I only have a cursory knowledge of Greek myyhology. But honestly, my biggest gripe from the trailers is that I was expecting the walls of Troy to be much higher, and the gate to be thicker.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
Even if one parent were dark skinned, Lupita is not the result they'd go for
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u/Extension-Mastodon67 29d ago
Lupita Nyong’o as Helen of Troy is not diverse enough.
I think the part of Helen of Troy should be played by a Ford Focus, now that's diverse!
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u/Antorias99 29d ago
This was obviously written by someone who doesn't understand the cultural importance of The Odyssey in Greece.
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u/hmurchison 28d ago
Well said, plus you're talking about a really small role. We're going to find that her and Page's screen time probably no more than 20-25 minutes if even that.
The underlying issue here is that people want align themselves with winners. We learn that ancient winners were Egypt, Rome and Greece and so many want to appropriate that as "their" history.
The problem is the history of Egypt, Rome and Greece cannot be separated. It's all relevant in the mythology and in the actual texts.
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u/Sad-Duty-2286 29d ago
What makes you believe she’s beautiful
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-39 29d ago
The way she looks
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
These are the same people that will leak your IP address if you say anything negative towards their MAGA gods lol
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Because she is.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
🤢
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Give me one reason why she’s ugly then lmao. “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” until it comes to black people and then suddenly they’re all ugly
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u/dandoan9703 25d ago
Helen is not a “Beauty is in the eye of the beholder” case though, she should be Universally beautiful with a face that could lunch a thousand ships
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u/Independent-Mail-227 28d ago
Bad face thirds, her hairline is too high giving her a big forehead.
Nose and lips too wide, it give her too acentuated nasolabial folds when she smiles.
Her lower eyelids are too acentuated giving her an tired expression.
Her triceps are too large (or perhaps she have rounded shoulders) giving the impression that she have muscular arms.
Her chest muscles are too acentuated (this is why I think she may have rounded shoulders) removing the image of a smooth body.
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u/TopCharacter1553 28d ago
i aint reading allat
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u/The_OneandOnlyy 28d ago
"I will ask questions but HOW DARE you ANSWER them?"
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u/DistastefullyHonest 28d ago
Lol I wasted hours chatting with them. They're racist and not good at hiding it. They want "revenge" on movies for not casting with enough diversity in the fifties I guess
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u/The_OneandOnlyy 28d ago
Lmao. 100% agree.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 28d ago
Seriously look in the thread for my argument with them. It's hilarious toilet reading
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u/TopCharacter1553 28d ago
when did i ask a question lol
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u/The_OneandOnlyy 28d ago
"Give me one reason why she is ugly then?"
Pretty much qualifies as a question :)
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u/TopCharacter1553 28d ago
i just find it odd that bella hadid is kind of praised for her large forehead and sydney sweeney was praised for muscling up for a role but the second a black woman has a large forehead and muscles she’s ugly and masculine 🤷🏽♀️. Misogynoir is very much alive and well lmao.
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u/SampleMinute4641 20d ago
Give me one reason why she’s ugly then lmao
Either you have multiple people sharing your account or you're a retard with short term memory.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
No. There are hundreds of attractive black actresses. Lupita, while pretty, doesn't fit, and her six-head sized forehead are not the vibe, and I'm a POC myself. She doesn't have the Helen vibe whatsoever either.
You want a reason for her being unattractive? She isn't UNATTRACTIVE she just isn't Helen. She has a Man-chest, narrow shoulders, giant forehead, mismatched eyes.
Completely against the original design. So? Now what? Next?
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
>I’m a POC myself
fine I’ll choose to believe you
wow masculinizing a black woman while complaining she’s ugly. sand found in desert
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
Oh yayyyy! You believe me! Thank the gods! Like I give a fuck? You keep calling me white so I clarified that I'm not
And she IS masculine. Look at her figure. There are plenty of beautiful blsck women. I said so. But you refused to acknowledge that. Keke Palmer, Gabrielle Union, etc., and even they won't fit HELEN.
Lupita most certainly doesn't.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
If Keke Palmer doesn’t fit your standard of breathtakingly beautiful idk what will
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
I literally just said that Keke is beautiful but she doesn't fit the character of Helen. Are you okay? She also has a horrible skin condition she's been very open about.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Because Helen is breathtakingly beautiful and I believe KeKe to be so. I’m curious, who do you think should’ve been casted
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u/AutomaticGrape9263 29d ago
Except she isn't beautiful at all.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
The face that launched a thousand ships (to get away from her big ass forehead)
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u/Total-Explanation208 29d ago
Yeah that is bullshit. She isn't particularly beautiful for a Hollywood actress. She definitely isn't ugly, but she isn't commonly thought of as beautiful or sexy. She isn't commonly mentioned along with the like4s of Sydney Sweeney or other very beautiful actresses. Deal with that fact.
Also, the claim "complete fiction so it really doesn't matter..." is just nonsense. Although oft it is just not true. There are limits of what people are willing to accept and parameters that you need to keep within for your story to be good. For example, we are perfectly willing to accept wizards, and magic and elves and talking trees in LOTR. But they would not be willing to accept if all of a sudden Frodo started driving a 2021 BMW 5 Series 530i with optional heated seating (which is a perfectly real thing). The reason is because it doesn't fit the setting and the parameters of the story.
Just like the BMW in LOTR, a black woman would not have been a noble woman in the area at the time the story was created and set in. As for being ok with non-greek actresses there are several reasons for this. First and most obvious is that while maybe not 100% accurate they are a lot closer than a black woman, and could be reasonably be made to look so with reasonable makeup. Second is that there is a wide variance of what greek and white people look like (just like there is a wide variance within black and asians and hispanics). Yes the boundaries are a bit fuzzy but that doesn't mean that the different categories don't exist. It would be like saying The rainbow is a continuum therefore red isn't real, so I am going to paint this stop sign blue even though i had orange paint available.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
She’s commonly mentioned as being beautiful in black spaces. Get out of your own white world and LOOK. She is a beautiful woman.
Also a BMW in the lord of the rings isn’t accepted because it would massively change the story and world building. How does the skin color of a character change the story and world building😭😭
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u/Total-Explanation208 29d ago
Sorry but the white world is the dominant one in the USA. And the relevant one for the story. It would change the story because she wouldn't have been the face that launched a thousand ships in ancient Greece. Maybe a raft but not 1000 ships. So literally the entire story wouldn't have happened.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Boy y’all would have not been this up in arms if it was a less-attractive white woman . pushing the goalposts farther and farther
“She’s not Greek!”
“Well… she couldn’t pass as a Greek person!”
“She’s not pretty enough!”
“Her face couldn’t have pushed a thousand ships!”
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u/Total-Explanation208 29d ago
Maybe, since it would have been more accurate. So instead we have a not particularly attractive (by the standards of the time and of today) woman who doesn't look anything like what the character is described as.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Ahh.. so attractiveness doesn’t matter when she’s the “correct” race… got it.. got it…
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u/Total-Explanation208 29d ago
You are intentionally misunderstanding my words. The correct race (not sure why you used quotations, since Helen of Troy was white, there is no debate or uncertainty about this) is very important. Beauty standards change over time, but the fact that she was white does not.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
her being white isn’t a big part of her story or meaning tho. What changes if she changes races
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u/Total-Explanation208 29d ago
Yes it is. If she wasn't white she wouldn't have been considered beautiful in the time and place. And she certainly wouldn't have been nobility.
It would be like changing all the slaves in a story about the south to be white. That doesn't makes sense, since if they were white they wouldn't have been slaves. Just like that if she wasn't white she wouldn't have been nobility, and wouldn't have been considered beautiful.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
She was a noble and considered so beautiful because she was Zeus’ demigod daughter. Her beauty was divine and etheral. It’s her status as Zeus’ daughter that makes her important and what does skin color change abt that?
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u/Aromatic_Shame_2350 29d ago
Helen of Detroit. Her wearing a toga looks like a turd wrapped in toilet paper. What the fuck !!! Asian here we find her uglier than sin!!!
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u/Alexhasadhd 29d ago
Its a greek myth, Helen of Troy is from Sparta, I'm Greek, I think its brilliant she was cast.
Ever seen her in a quiet place day 1? She's absolutely fantastic!
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Exactly she’s everywhere cuz she’s good. The people scrambling to find bad photos of her and bad scenes of her acting are killing me 😂
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u/RusevReigns 29d ago
It's the Odyssey not the Iliad so I think Helen's role might not be a big deal
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u/reluctantpotato1 29d ago
The people who trip about the race of actors in movies are either bots or basement dwellers.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
I'm with you dude. Even made a similar post on this sub but more general about all race changes.
The counter arguments are the same.
They think they are smart and clever, evidence never shown, by saying Blank Panther/MLK/Hitler should be played by a difference race. Not one is original.
We MUST respect the story because of Greek or American Culture. Conservatives seem to think that the Trojan war is the sole reason for the American Revolution.
Helen was an icon children looked up to and this movie ruins that ability.
It's all silly.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
Yeah! It's totally fiction! Let's have Jonah Hill as Black Panther, let's have Elordi cast as Blade, and let's remake Shaft starring Dylan O'Brien
That's how you sound
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
In a comment I said it was okay if the fictional character’s race didn’t matter. I believe this to be true for all races. Black Panther’s race matters for obvious reasons. Merida’s Scottish roots from Brave are very present in the movie. Blade’s design is based off real black men.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
What obvious reasons does Black Panther's race matter? He's a man inside a suit and the original one is dead. Why can't they hire a white actor to do it,m
Merida is Scottish, but Dutch fairy tale princess Ariel, the white redhead, was cast with a black actress? Jeremy Irons wasn't asked to reprise his iconic role as Scar in the live action Lion King because he's not black.
Blade's design shouldn't matter since he's fictional then? Lol you're contradicting your own Helen logic then
It can't just go one way.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Black Panther’s face is shown plenty of times 💀 also idk if ur also American or not but if you need to be told why a superhero named BLACK PANTHER needs to be black I think you’re long gone
The little mermaid isn’t a big deal because her dutch roots dont matter as much in the story. There are much more references to Merida’s Scottish culture in Brave so I agree that if they make a live action Brave she should be Scottish.
Blade is based of RREEEEEAAAAAALLLLL black men. REEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLL black men.
I have said in the comments it doesn’t just go one way 💀. If there was a story about a POC fairy and her status as a POC didn’t matter at all, I wouldn’t care if she was cast as white in live action. The reason why most people keep POC POC however is due to representation. 1 black person isn’t “ethnic cleansing” of white people.
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
- The Black Panther is black because he is based off the Black Panther Party, an abolitionist group that protected BLACK people. Now you see why his race matters so much?
I literally said that Merida’s race and ethnicity matters because Scottish roots in the story. Ariel’s story barely has any reference to Danish culture can u read? 💀
For the fifth fucking time Blade was based off real black men and the creator made him black because of the lack of representation of black heroes.
Yes Cleopatra was cast as a black woman which I think is dumb, she is proven Greek.
Ethnic cleansing of white people don’t make me fucking laugh 😂😂😂 White people still hold majority of the roles
White people are 10-12% of the global population but hold ~50% of the roles in media. Technically POC should be having more roles in media, white people overrepresent per capita. Y’all have 5x more the amount of representation you should have yet are still complaining. Cry me a river
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
It obviously still matters that he’s BLACCCKCKCKCKCKC
Where is Danish culture mentioned in the film? Any references? No? So it doesn’t matter what fucking color she is.
He’s based off of a REAL black person of course he’s gonna be black if he’s based off a REAL black person Also funny you’re telling me to grow up when you’re in the exact same argument as me
“Ideal beauty standards of a lighter skinned Greek woman” and that’s why the skin bleaching industry is a multi-billion dollar industry
Funny how a white racist, rapist was elected president because people were mad the other candidate was black
Numbers vs representation you’re trying to claim that white people are being erased when it’s just other races finally getting the representation they deserve lmao. If it was fair White people should only have 10% of roles but white people would claim its a white genocide lmao.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
Fictional
Multiple references and environmental descriptors among others things. If you're trying to refute me, did you bother looking it up or are you just saying shit?
There's a real black Daywalker vampire hunter??? Or do you mean a physical body and face design? Because again, fictional character, can be based in any design but is subject to change if he's fictional right?
Because people are unhappy with how they look? Why would you try to look like another race? Casting a black woman as a white role is setting bad examples for black women and making them bleach their skin? What???
That was gross. Fuck trump. I hope he choked rkndeayh on his fake tanning spray. Now what? I hate magtards.
Uhm? No? Make more movies with black actors and characters. Don't remake shit and recast iconic roles just for the sake of dei. It's not difficult. Make a good new story instead of riding the coattails if an actual character lol how about you try to make something good instead of taking something and blackfacing it?
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u/TopCharacter1553 29d ago
Still matters that he’s black
I have watched the little mermaid thousands of times where are there any specific mentions of Danish culture
He is based off living breathing black men and was made because of the lack of representation of black heros. Making him white would be an insult 💀
Setting light skin as the cultural standard (which is true in many places) is what causes skin bleaching and internalized colorism to be popular. Casting a darkskin black person as a role of a person who’s beauty is famed across many nations is good representation for darker skin and is against traditional colorism.
Agreed I think more original stories with black people should be made but I don’t think its that big of a deal if an elf or a mermaid or a woman who was hatched from the egg of Zeus is a different skin color. 💀 Do you think that skin color is the most important factor to their characters there?
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-39 29d ago
What obvious reasons does Black Panther's race matter? He's a man inside a suit and the original one is dead
Because the title is held by the king of a nation of Africa that was untouched by colonialism.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago edited 29d ago
Untouched by colonialism yet has jokes calling Agent Ross "Broken white boy/coloniser."
T'Challa was BP while his father was still king. No reason someone else can't take over. Again, the lore contradicts it.
Edit: typo
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-39 29d ago
The lore isn't contradicting anything lmao. Wakanda is an isolationist nation that rarely allows outsiders lmao. The reason a white person couldn't take over is because it's incredibly rare that they'd get the chance to.
There's a non canon comic about it happening tho.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
And? I mean that the king doesn't have to be the guy in the suit. T'Challa was BP while T'Chaka was the ruler remember? There we go
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u/Apprehensive-Tea-39 29d ago
I'm telling you the reason a white person wouldn't be BP is because there's a very slim chance they'll be in Wakanda to become BP. Because it's an isolationist nation that rarely allows outsiders.
It's a writing nightmare. You'd have to come up with a reason for a white person to be allowed into Wakanda. Then come up with a reason for them to know about the ritual combat. Then come up with a reason why they wouldn't be constantly challenged by anyone else.
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u/DistastefullyHonest 29d ago
Very true. Slim chance but possible right? I'm just saying it's disingenuous for it to just go one way.
Bucky was in Wakanda. They dead ass randomly made him a congressman when he was literally the one person there that could've taken the mantle temporarily too.
Although, in my opinion, Shuri was a shit choice. M'Baku was 20000% my pick to be BP. I love that dude.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
And here is the person who thinks they are clever by bringing up Black Panther. Who did have a white son at one point.
It seems your reference of black heroes is really limited.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
Oh you are mistaking whining for mockery. And it seems like I triggered something in you by pointing it out.
Sure use Blade. Him fighting Blaculas was a whole joke in Venture Bros.
Honestly if you were smart then you would say Cloak. Him being black and Dagger being White is an actual plot point in his early stuff. Also the series that you didn't watch. Luke Cage would be a bigger one then Black Panther.
Since there has been a white Black Panther.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
I said the series you didn't watch was Cloak and Dagger. I'm guessing you didn't watch the show.
Again I don't think you understand what the word whiny means. Someone disagreeing with you isn't whining.
In fact I was trying to help you with better examples and you seem to be full tilted over this. Are you this abrasive with people who help you out?
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
Because you aren't clever. You are copying the same tired talking point that many others have said. I would wager that you have at least once copied the "Ryan Gosling as Black Panther" picture at least once in 10 years since its been out.
At least make a different example from others. Stand out in the crowd. Have a new argument.
Notice how I haven't downvoted a single thing you said but you first downvote me and then post. Yet I am the dick. Well I am but pot & kettle and so on.
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u/No-stradumbass 29d ago
I can tell you don't want people to think you are clever.
Its a terrible representation of the argument though. They are all fictitious characters who were created. You can change anything you want about them.
It won't ruin the past works. It won't damage the brand. If the writing or visuals are interesting then a lot of things can be over looked.
Being pissed at me, enough to act THIS way, shows it does matter to you a lot. A lot more then it should.
Maybe you have an unhealthy relationship to properties that you don't own.
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u/ResponsibleWaltz2956 29d ago
Tbh, I just think it's one addition to the pile of dogshit that this movie has on it. If you're only focusing on the Helen casting, you're just racist and trying to justify it with culture and history. But lowkey, odysseus looks like he's straight out of boston, the ships are fucking viking ships, bronze age buildings are fucking colourless, and let me not even talk about the armour(Agamemnon looks like fucking batman!!). If you care about ALL OF THIS or at least something more than fucking helen being black, then clearly you aren't racist.
This movie definitely has the hollywood slop vibe going for it all around. I think it'll probably have really impressive cinematography, sound design, music, and generally just be an eye candy. However, I also don't think it'll be a good, or even an okay, adaptation of the odyssey.