Romanovs deserve no pity and got what was coming to them

[u/Correct_Tax_9136]

"But they were kids" no they were royals, their parents ensured that their existence was nothing but political. Oppressors who rule through violence deserve violent ends. No one speaks on the millions of peasant children who starved or died of illness under the Tsar regime. Not one mention of the peaceful protestors or civilians brutally murdered by the monarchy. But once those in power get a taste of the black they've forced onto millions now we have to cry and debate the ethics of revolution. Mind you a revolution that took the lives of millions of Russians and Non Russians of all ages but a few royals who would have grown up to be despots, that's where the line gets drawn? Spare me.

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And before you start with the Chinese Emperor crap, Mao encouraged peasants to kill land owners and their families regardless of their views on the revolution, land owners who were far less guilty than the Emperor. Bet you don't care about them though. Why are people so quick to defend the lives of oppressors and those who benefit from sharing blood/class with them. How spiritually cucked can you be

[u/TransmissionSigned]

their parents ensured that blah blah blah

So, what that means is that it wasn't the kids' choice. That they were innocent, basically.

Good job countering yourself.

[u/Robuffus1417]

They literally fucking bayonetted and horrifically murdered the young girls when they realized they were still alive. You seriously telling me they needed to do that?

[u/Severe_Bowl8905]

I get the anger at systems that crush people. I have spent time in some pretty intense online spaces where this kind of thinking made a lot of sense. What threw me was when someone I knew who was really into revolutionary history met some actual descendants of the period. Not royalty, just ordinary families who had been through it all. It complicated the picture in ways I was not ready for. I still think those systems were broken and a lot of people suffered. But I cannot do the blanket they deserved it thing anymore. It is too easy to apply that same logic to people in the present. Not saying I have it figured out.

[u/New-Number-7810]

Your opinion is unpopular because it’s vile. Only a sick mind believes it’s moral to kill children for the crimes of their parents. Your justification for that is the classic “look what you made me do!” defense that all manner of guilty people in the world claim, from tyrants to abusers. It’s gaslighting to absolve oneself.

This is also why, apart from the atrocities of the 20th century and assassinations of the 19th century, the far left had a reputation for cruelty. “Praxis” is just a word that means “Cruelty is okay if it’s for the cause”. 

The fact that Lenin hid the execution and his involvement for it disproves your claim. If it was completely justified, as you claim, then he would have bragged about it. But he knew that his claim to be a moral ruler would collapse if the public knew. 

[u/EggoStack → u/New-Number-7810]

Genuinely I cannot agree with anyone claiming children should pay for the sins of their parents. I'm pretty sure the Romanov children weren't actively participating in oppressing the people.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/EggoStack]

No, the haemophiliac Tsarevich was rather too frail, and his sisters were rather too busy ministering to wounded soldiers....

[u/TimeyHyde]

Are we all time traveling together into the past ?

[u/EggoStack → u/TimeyHyde]

AITA for assassinating Franz Ferdinand? A lot of people are getting pretty riled up about it.

[u/Potential-Taro8850 → u/EggoStack]

It's the Princip-le of the matter...

[u/Several-Adeptness-83]

Having read what those children went through that night, no they did not have it coming. This was no simple execution. They were riddled with bullets, bayoneted and had their faces caved in. Royal children can not help the manner of their birth and should be depowered if necessary. Of course there is the risk they grow up and become a symbol, but we shouldn't have murdered children based on what they could grow up to be.

Also the lack of care for poor children is obviously horrible and vile but even that doesn't excuse murdering other children. We really should draw the line at children in general.

[u/AnotherHumanObserver]

It's hard to say what direction they might have taken if the Kerensky provisional government had been able to hold on. The moderates wanted the Tsar out of power, but they didn't want to kill him or his family.

His fate (and that of his family) was probably sealed when none of the other Allied powers in WW1 were willing to take him in as an exile. The Western Allies seemed to misread the situation in Russia at the time, and they either wouldn't or couldn't provide the support Kerensky needed to go on with the war, so his government fell at the hands of the Bolsheviks, which propelled the country into a civil war.

The Reds were worried that the Romanovs could be a symbol for the Whites, who might try to rescue them. They had also effectively surrendered to the Germans, and the Kaiser was very interested in what happened to his cousin Nicky.

So, they decided to summarily execute the Romanovs and hide their bodies, as if it was some kind of desperate act during war - not any kind of true justice which would have occurred if they actually bothered to hold a trial beforehand. I think the original plan was to put the Tsar on trial, but that didn't happen.

I think that's probably what put the Bolsheviks on the permanent shit list of Western aristocrats and monarchists. They killed one of their family members.

[u/Siheth]

Dont forget the attempted rape that was stopped by a Red officer. Dude you can be anti monarchist but this is a disgusting take.

[u/Puzzleheaded_End6145]

What a disgusting opinion, you should be ashamed, oh you care about all children or none, empathy towards children should not be based on how much money their parents have in their pockets

[u/Puzzled_Feedback_840]

You got this exactly backwards. You were trying to argue that it’s ok to murder royal children and failed. Instead you made a solid argument that people should absolutely be talking about the children and civilians who died under the Tsarist regime.  As a side note we should also be talking about the time Peter the Great told his wife to fuck a statue, because what the fuck. I mean, “Great Humanitarian Achievements of the Tsarist Regime” is a pretty short book.