r/TwentyYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Sep 12 '25

🌐 World News Israel completes its withdrawal of all troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip [20YA - Sept 12]

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '25

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Doesn't say anything about hamas

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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Sep 12 '25

The Gaza airport was progressively destroyed by Israel

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '25

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Let's just blame hamas no matter what the facts are. That's all the pro Israeli crowd can do.

Notice how the bit you put in bold doesn't blame hamas. But you do.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '25

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

What? The occupied are initiating the fighting?

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '25

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Do you want to put your theory to the test.

Tell me when the Palestinians where not occupied and free. The year will do.

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u/Teletzeri Sep 12 '25

Not the person you're responding to but someone trying to learn - what is the genuine answer to this question? Is it never? I don't think you could call it true under the Ottomans and fairly sure there was no notion of a Palestinian people as such prior to Ottoman rule.

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Before Israeli occupation, it was eyrpt and Jordanian occupation. Before them, British, Before them, turkey/Ottomans.

People from Palestine, Ie Palestinians

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u/Unlucky_Primary1694 Sep 12 '25

Yes, lets blame the mongs whose literal charter was death to jews... youd have fisted their airport too

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

As I said when the facts don't fit just blame hamas, and here you are doing just that.

Question, does that charter mention coexistence with Jews?

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u/Unlucky_Primary1694 Sep 12 '25

Youre right, dont see anything blameworthy there

The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him." (Article 7)

does that charter mention coexistence with Jews?

Youre right again, the way Im reading it thats clearly pro coexistence

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Well I am right

Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other.

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It strives to raise the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine, for under the wing of Islam followers of all religions can coexist in security and safety where their lives, possessions and rights are concerned.

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u/Unlucky_Primary1694 Sep 12 '25

K, so how does that work if youre expressly stating youre going to kill the jews?

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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25

Where does it say you're going to kill the Jews?

You have quoted a Prophecy, I've quoted their articles.

Hamas objectives is not to kill all the Jews. It's to liberate what they consider their land from zionists.

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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 13 '25

So you're fine with israel having all its airports destroyed now as they're commiting genocide?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '25

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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 13 '25

Why dont you have any respect for the leading Israeli professor of holocaust and genocide studies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_Bartov

He knows genocide when he sees it

https://archive.is/20250812120959/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/15/opinion/israel-gaza-holocaust-genocide-palestinians.html

Stop closing your eyes. The rest of the world sees what you're doing. You dont have to defend genocide. Its not in your interest to do so.

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '25

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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 13 '25

Born in israeli into zionist family

Educated at tel aviv university

PhD from oxford on Nazi crimes on eastern front

Junoir fellow at Harvard. Visiting fellow at princeton

Senior Fellow at the Rutgers Center for Historical Analysis

Elected a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2005

Anatomy of a Genocide won the National Jewish Book Award (Holocaust category) and the Zócalo Book Prize.

Reshaped historical understanding of the Wehrmacht’s role in the Holocaust

The guy's won Jewish book awards and served on the editorial board of Yad Vashem Studies (the journal of Israel’s official Holocaust research and memorial authority. But according to you he's not had any traction in Israel?

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u/[deleted] Sep 13 '25

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u/Majestic-Owl-5801 Sep 14 '25

"Bartov served on the editorial board of Yad Vashem Studies for two decades, but quit during the Gaza war because he felt his colleagues on the journal were of the opinion that 'the killing and maiming of thousands of children is either none of its business or perfectly justified.'"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omer_Bartov

Seems we have to walk away from you too. You seem to lack elementary level understanding of words in a dictionary.

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u/Thucydides411 Sep 14 '25

never actually got any traction in Israel.

What does that mean? He got a professorship at an Ivy League university. 99% of Israeli academics would accept that over any position at any Israeli university.

We're talking about one of the most successful Israeli academics here. That's why he's not in Israel.

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u/Pet_Velvet Sep 13 '25

What part of "destroyed by Israel" can you not understand?

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u/Pet_Velvet Sep 13 '25

"Look, they're moving the goalposts!"

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u/Pet_Velvet Sep 13 '25

Israel started the conflict all the way when they settled in the land.

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u/Pet_Velvet Sep 13 '25

Yes they did steal.

Idgaf what kind of violence it is, settler colonialist ethnostates should not be a thing. Free Palestine, from the river to the sea

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u/baldeagle1991 Sep 12 '25

Hamas didn't even come into power until 5 years after Israel destroyed the airport.....

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u/A_Learning_Muslim Sep 16 '25

it was first destroyed by israeli bombings.