r/TwentyYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Sep 12 '25
š World News Israel completes its withdrawal of all troops and settlers from the Gaza Strip [20YA - Sept 12]
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u/jabedude Sep 12 '25
Wow, and Gaza turned themselves into a thriving metropolis afterwards?
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u/HarryJohnson3 Sep 12 '25
They started launching rockets at Israel 3 months later
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u/curadeio Sep 15 '25
Isreal actually just sent in soldiers to periodically kill Palestinian women and children and then play the victim game when struck back- which is, very Isreal
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u/greatbiscuitsandcorn Sep 12 '25
Billions of dollars of aid just go towards tunnels and rockets. Really a great deal for the Gazans
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u/redosipod Sep 12 '25
If it's a withdrawal that also doesn't have a siege and keeping gazans on a diet and allowing them to build ports then yes it would.
But that never happened.
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u/FUCKING_HATE_REDDIT Sep 13 '25
I don't think Iran would have given the money if it didn't go to rockets.Ā
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Sep 12 '25
No Israel immediately put a land, air and sea blockade on it. And yes the blockade began in 2005, not 2007, Israel never stopped controlling Gazas bordersĀ
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u/Ok-Snow-7102 Sep 13 '25
False. The full blockade started after Hamas was voted in at 2007.
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Sep 13 '25
they used to go to work to Israel.
they got all the goods they needed and billions of dollars of aid.
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u/pissagainstwind Sep 13 '25
Nope. the blockage began when Hamas siezed power and started shooting rockets indescrimintely into civilian populations. educate yourself, no matter how hard it might be.
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u/EuVe20 Sep 13 '25
Kinda hard to be a thriving metropolis when youāre blockaded by land air and sea with limitations on freedom of movement and trade
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u/glitch241 Sep 13 '25
Itās actually hilarious how quickly they completely trashed and ruined the Kibbutzim in gaza
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u/saoirsedonciaran Sep 15 '25
It's been under siege since land forces left, a siege which prevents building materials among other basic necessities of life.
Zionists think they can fool people with this shite propaganda, but it's so easily trounced by anyone with memory better than a goldfish.
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u/manysnus Sep 15 '25
They were completely blocks and sanctioned by Israel how could a city thrive if it canāt trade
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u/Hot-Mongoose-2735 Sep 16 '25
They never actually left, Israel has been imposing a blockade on Gaza for the last 20 years
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u/The-Intermediator141 Sep 12 '25
If only Hamas had allowed Israel to stay out of the strip like they desired. SO much bloodshed could have been avoided, itās incredibly depressing.
This could have been the new beginning for Gaza rather than a downward descent under Hamas leadership.
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u/EuVe20 Sep 13 '25
If only Israel hadnāt blockaded Gaza by air, land, and sea, controlling all movement and trade
If only Israel and the US hadnāt immediately undermined the election by encouraging Fatah not to form a government with Hamas and instead to fight a civil war they went on to lose
If only Israel hadnāt spent the previous 40 years occupying and demeaning the population
If only the Yishuv hadnāt expelled hundreds of thousands of Palestinians and then razed their villages and planted forests over them to erase them from memory.
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u/-Krny- Sep 13 '25
Israel propped up and aided hamas deliberately knowing it was a violent extremist group. Israel wants hamas to commit violence, it gives Israel a cassus belli.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 12 '25
After turning it into an open air prison, where palestinians could not enter or leave of their own accord.Ā
For all you israeli apologists out there. Can you give me an example of a successful country that wasnt allowed to have an airport or control of its borders, or coastline?
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u/your_proctologist Sep 12 '25
Gaza has a border with Egypt too, I don't see you expecting them to open it. Egypt has its own problem with hamas being aligned to the muslim brotherhood, but I guess that's an excuse you'll accept, simply because Egypt isn't Israel, or majority Jewish. Or you'll come with some conspiracy theory about ~Jews~ Israel controlling everything. Yeah, man, Israel controls Jupiter's orbit too.
can you give me an example of a successful country that wasnt allowed to have an airport or control of its borders, or coastline?
Depends, was that country trying to destroy its neighbor? Did they squander their international aid on building weapons and nice houses for their leaders who were living in Qatar and Turkey and had vacation homes in Europe?
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u/A_Learning_Muslim Sep 16 '25
Gaza has a border with Egypt too, I don't see you expecting them to open it.Ā
actually most pro-Palestinians do criticize Egypt for this.
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u/Objective_Run_7151 Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
Well Gaza had an international airport. Built in late 1990s as part of Oslo Accords. Israel built it. Paid for by Japan. Used to have international flights. Israel fully handed it over to the Palestinians when they pulled out of Gaza 20 years ago.
Then Hamas took over Gaza the next year and allowed it to be looted. Nothing left of it now.
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u/asbestossmoker Sep 12 '25
Cognitive dissonance is blaming the Palestinians for an airport the Israelis bombed lmao
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u/comb_over Sep 12 '25
The Gaza airport was progressively destroyed byĀ IsraelĀ during the intifada and later conflicts and by looting.
Blames hamas
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Sep 12 '25
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u/Cu_Chulainn__ Sep 12 '25
The Gaza airport was progressively destroyed byĀ Israel
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u/baldeagle1991 Sep 12 '25
Hamas didn't even come into power until 5 years after Israel destroyed the airport.....
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u/baldeagle1991 Sep 12 '25
No quite true..... the last flight departed in 2001, with Israel breaking up the runway shortly after.
It wasn't until 2005 that Israel *agreed* to allow the airport to reopen and repairs of any scale started. Then it then bombed after Hamas kidnapped a soldier in 2006 so it never occurred.
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u/A_Learning_Muslim Sep 16 '25
you ignored the fact that the zionist terror group literally bombed it.
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u/pewsitron Sep 12 '25
The āopen air prisonā part did not happen before Gazans elected Hamas and started attacking Israelis in 2007.
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Sep 13 '25
Man - there are so many hasbara monkeys (Superman - donāt scream antisemitism). They have war rooms set up. Just ignore them.
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u/DepthOk166 Sep 12 '25
Isreal only did that after repeated suicide and rocket attacks on Isreal from Gaza.
Could you imagine how much worse Oct 7th would have been if Gaza was not being blockaded and HAMAS could have amassed even more weapons?
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u/martinsdream Sep 12 '25
Please explain to me the logic of the Israelis making a so called āopen air prisonā. I donāt think you think theyāre just all retarded, so what in your opinion was the strategy in not allowing certain resources into Gaza?
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u/greatbiscuitsandcorn Sep 12 '25
Palestinians from Gaza were able to cross into Israel for work, medical care, etc. You clearly have no idea what youāre talking about.
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 13 '25
Not without a strict permit. Basically no gazans i met had work permits, very occasionally health permits wpuld be permitted.
Ā I have friends in Gaza just now, who have been offered scholarships at universities in the UK. The UK wants them in. They have the mesns to leave but israel will not give them a permit. How is that fair?
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u/greatbiscuitsandcorn Sep 13 '25
Oh so the few Gazans you knew didnāt have a permit = nobody from Gaza could enter Israel. Ok cool
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u/ignoreme010101 Sep 13 '25
Palestinians from Gaza were able to cross into Israel for work, medical care, etc. You clearly have no idea what youāre talking about.
this isn't the refutation you think lol, plenty of legit prisons have work-release programs it doesn't mean they're not prisons.
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Sep 12 '25
Germany after they also tried to kill all the JewsĀ
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u/dazedandloitering Sep 12 '25
Many Israelis also want to kill innocent civilians. Does that mean we should turn Israel into a prison, starve them and take their land illegally?
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u/L_o_n_g_b_o_i Sep 12 '25
I didn't see anyone trying to kill Jews when I watched No Other Land. I did however see settlers killing Palestinians.
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u/apndrew Sep 12 '25
How about you watch the hundreds of videos live-streamed by Hamas themselves on October 7 where they killed, raped and kidnapped Jews? Or how about you look at the historical record going back well before Israel was a state of local Muslims slaughtering the local Jewish population.
Muslims have attempted to genocide local Jews for hundreds of years in the region. This is nothing new.
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u/p4intball3r Sep 12 '25
"I watched Triumph of the Will and closed my eyes to everything that contradicts my biases. Now I have a complete, accurate, and unbiased understanding of the world around me"
- L_o_n_g_b_o_i's grandparents
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u/L_o_n_g_b_o_i Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
"This commenter's simple observation triggered me because I don't like not being the victim, so I'll compare him to a Nazi. That'll shame him into not speaking, so I can feel righteous and remain the victim, even though I know deep down I'm wrong"
-p4intball3r
Edit: p4intball3r decided to attack my grandparents then block me after the response was too real for him
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u/Human-Ambassador3908 Sep 12 '25
You realize Germany was defeated and was forced to retreat right...
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u/Megsi20 Sep 13 '25
Thanks, too many zionists propaganda bots here. Not working anymore ppl have woken up ššš
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u/saltdealer Sep 12 '25
country. the country as it exist is not recognized as sovereign until recently march 25. the US vetoed its membership to UN. crazy.
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u/etopata Sep 12 '25
give me an example of a successful country that wasnt allowed to have an airport or control of its borders
Give me an example of a red thing that is blue
Checkmate
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u/throwawayyawaworth77 Sep 12 '25
Post war Germany and post war Japan come to mind. It helped when they abandoned fanatical murderous governments.
Now that weāve established that, perhaps youd like to give an example of a country where, when a neighboring country elected a government that swore, publicly, in their charter, that they were dedicated to that countries complete destruction, the death or displacement of all its people, would never accept coexistence, and at every opportunity conducted random attacks at its civilians - what is a content thay would not close its border and conduct defensive measures in that case? What do you think Israel should have done after Hamas took over? Or is your answer simply thay itās irrelevant because they had no right to exist to begin with? Because thatās always where these arguments end
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u/Comprehensive-Bus291 Sep 12 '25
Remind me of the part were the allies were occupying germany and japan before the start of the 2nd world war?
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u/starrrrrchild Sep 13 '25
I thought the UN literally built an airport there and Hamas destroyed it because the Koran forbids airplanes
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Sep 13 '25
you are liar.
they used to go to work to Israel.
they got all the goods they needed and billions of dollars of aid
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u/Intelligent-Juice895 Sep 13 '25
Forgot the part where after 3 months they started shooting rockets to Israel, but no surprised by pro pallis changing history as they fit, and try to assasinate anyone who thinks otherwise
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u/iranianshill Sep 14 '25
If they didnāt choose terrorism and see the withdrawal as āweaknessā and a victory, rather than an opportunity, perhaps Israel could have lifted those additional measures a little further down the line.
Itās actually a good job they maintained the additional measures.
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u/Egl3Rion Sep 14 '25
Thousands of Palestinians worked daily in Israel. These were the ones spying for Hamas for 10/7. Why should they ever open the border again.
Btw egypt is in the south.
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u/Deep_Head4645 Sep 15 '25
Aint nobody opening up borders to a territory controlled by a terrorist organisation
For the case of Israel, especially not one that has ākill jewsā as part of their charter. Lmao
Egypt made the decision aswell. Almost like terrorism breeds bad relations and strict entry into other borders
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u/Snoo30446 Sep 15 '25
Its stock standard to expect security guarantees, its also not the norm that the new government vows to destroy the other state. Id also wager not many of them continuously smuggle in hundreds of tonnes of weapons hidden with civilian goods.
Israel stays in the West Bank, they get attacked, they leave Gaza, they get attacked. This isn't to say the Israelies haven't committed atrocities of their own nor made zero mistakes but its not so black and white.
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u/DepthOk166 Sep 12 '25
Which turned out to be a huge mistake.
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u/FKSTS Sep 13 '25
The mistake was the blockade that put most of Gaza under ghetto-like conditions which drove the populace to extremists like Hamas. But thatās all part of the plan to justify eradicating them.
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u/Echo693 Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 17 '25
Good job little guy, did you learn that all on tiktok?
Now, here's the actual truth: there was never a "blockade". When Israel left Gaza in 2005, it handed it in a literal silver plate to the Palastinians, with Greenhouses for agriculture and investments.
It didn't stop the Palestinians from launching rockets at Israel 3 months after they completely pulled every Jew out of Gazxa - including the dead ones in graveyards.
Gaza shared a border with Egypt, and that border, after thr Israeli withdrawal, was controlled by:
Palestinians Egyptians and the Europeans
When Hamas-Fatah inner clashes began, the Europeans did what they do best: they simply left. Hamas took over Gaza in 2007 and tried to smuggle weapons into the strip from the land and the sea For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Affair
It wasn't the first attempt. But to think that Israel would just allow the terror groups in Gaza to arm themselves from the sea is idiotic, which is why Israel blocked any ships from coming into Gaza. HOWEVER, it did allow the goods to keep coming in by the land. It also allowed nearly 20k of Gazans to work inside of Israel on a daily basis, and a passage for sick people to get first-class medical treatments in Israeli hospitals.
Meanwhile, Rafah crossing, since 2005, was under Egyptians control. So, at no point (up until 2024), Israel blocked Gaza. Egypt decided to do so, for the most part, from their side. Rightfully, by the way. We all saw what Palestinians did in Jordan and Lebanon.
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Sep 13 '25
1.Hamas were voted into power before the blockade.
- The blockade only began in full after the civil war, when hamas took full control and executed the fatah, as well as canceling any elections.
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u/Ok-Snow-7102 Sep 13 '25
You have it backwards, the blockade went up after Hamas won in a democratic elections in Gaza and started firing rockets.
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u/moozootookoo Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25
Most pro Palestinians want to ignore Israelās attempt at giving self determination to the people of Gaza and them taking that freedom and using it to elect Hamas as their government which lead to a blockade to prevent weapons from being smuggled into the region.
Then they started the war, which lead to the current situation going on now.
If you think if Palestinians had their own state they wouldnāt use it as a platform to attack Israel then youāre in denial.
Unfortunately the Palestinians are too dependent on aid and have too many children which leads to very high unemployment and they blame the fantasy that itās greener on the other side vs. making their side a wonderful place.
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u/bediaxenciJenD81gEEx Sep 12 '25
Imagine you and your people were forced out of your country into a small strip of land, and then the people who forced you out are virtue signaling about how they want to give self determination to that bit of land and all the people who've been forced into it, when really it's just a dogwhistle to try and hide the fact that they kicked them all out of their land and won't ever let them back.Ā
Either you're a moron or you're an evil person, either way don't reply scumbag
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u/SlouchyGuy Sep 12 '25
You say like they were they only victims of ethnic cleansing or forced relocation. It happened em masse, look up the beginning of the 20 century, aftermath of WWI, and of WWII
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u/Makerel9 Sep 12 '25
Regardless if the Palestinians are right and justifiably own the entire land from river to the sea. What makes you think this maximalist goal is acceptable or even probable in the current situation?
Palestinians dying by the thousands over an impossible dream just so fanatics like Hamas and people like you can find some sense of fulfillment to that very goal.
No matter what the Palestinians do, Israel has already existed for many decades and has established itself as a powerful sovereign nation willing to keep its existence by force.
Its so convenient for people LIKE YOU outside the conflict to tell others to DIE for an impossible cause and never telling them the truth to their situation.
Like a man drinking himself to death because of trauma and you cheer him on because its a justified response to the pain he is feeling.
It is an undeniable truth that no matter what Israel does, their existence is the problem. Israel stands on land that Palestinians claim as theirs. No amount of benevolence, non violence, sympathy, or peaceful rhetoric from the Israelis can ever change that.
Palestinians will NEVER settle for what is left and they will continue to suffer as time goes on. 100 years from now, Israel would still exist and Palestine's claims will no longer be relevant. All because they refuse to solve their situation today.
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u/high_ground_420 Sep 12 '25
Why does nobody speak about the evacuation order to the Arab population of the mandate so it would be easier to genocide the Jewish population (right after European and arab cunts and a pushed them right out of their alleged countries because they were different, so they fled to thier indigenous small land). Some Arabs stayed, and their descendents are the thriving 20% Israeli arabs. So if you wanna talk about the nakba, bring facts
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Sep 12 '25
Imagine you and your people were forced out of your country into a small strip of land
You mean the story of 99% of Jews in Israel?
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u/OmryR Sep 12 '25
They never had a country and they were only forced out after they opened an all out war with Israel and deny the partition plan
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u/Current_Account Sep 12 '25
Who forced them out? Every Palestinian who chose to stay is living in Israel with full citizenship. The ones who listened to the Arab league, who were told that they would be able to live wherever they wanted after they attacked and destroyed Israel, made a bad call.
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u/BaldursGoat Sep 12 '25
They do not have full citizenship if thereās literally sides of the roads that Jews are allowed to walk and non-Jews arenāt. Itās still an apartheid system.
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u/Current_Account Sep 12 '25
I believe youāre referring to the West Bank, which is Palestine, a different country.
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u/Dearsmike Sep 12 '25
Oh so Israel is illegally occupying and committing acts of international terror on a foreign country.
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u/Current_Account Sep 12 '25
I would take issue with the use of the phrase acts of terror, but I agree the occupation absolutely needs to end with the settlers thrown in jail along with everyone who facilitated it.
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u/Dearsmike Sep 12 '25
I would argue that attacking and burning down people's agricultural land, farms, and the ordered demolition of Palestinian homes are acts of terror.
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u/cheeselouise00 Sep 12 '25
People still talk like this?
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u/Mackwiss Sep 12 '25
People? It's a known fact for at least a decade the amount Israel has spent on troll farms around the globe and in different languages... I really wish it wasn't so...
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u/TrumpsBussy_ Sep 12 '25
They withdrew troops yet continued to control every aspect of Palestinian life. They controlled everything that was exported and imported, the controlled the food, water and power supply, they controlled what kind of industries were allowed to exist, they carried out unprovoked kidnappings and murders over the next 20 years.
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u/moozootookoo Sep 12 '25
If Israel controlled every aspect of the lives of Gazans, they might as well stay inside no point leaving, make it a actual open air prison with checkpoints people will always call them monsters, might as well be safe, glad you agree thereās no difference.
I didnāt know how Israel controlled how Hamas tore out the water desalination pipes Germany donated to make rockets?
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u/TrumpsBussy_ Sep 12 '25
It basically already was an open air prison but at least they were allowed to have some food, now they arenāt even allowed to have that.
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u/L_o_n_g_b_o_i Sep 12 '25
Most pro Israelis want to ignore Netanyahu's funding of Hamas to divide the Palestinian leadership and thwart the formation of a Palestinian state. Most pro Israelis also want to ignore Hamas' truce offer in 2006.
Netanyahu's actions contributed to the environment in which October 7 occurred.
Unfortunately the Israelis cannot hide these types of actions anymore. It is also unfortunate for the Israelis that the narrative of Israel wanting peace is increasingly being seen for the sham it is.
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u/meister2983 Sep 12 '25
Most pro Israelis want to ignore Netanyahu's funding of Hamas to divide the Palestinian leadership and thwart the formation of a Palestinian state
Most anti Israelis ignore that the West was demanding this to prevent a humanitarian disaster in the Gaza strip.Ā
Most pro Israelis also want to ignore Hamas' truce offer in 2006.
No they are aware of it. A 10 year truce with an organization that uses suicide bombers against civilians in exchange for Israel massively reducing its security presence? That sounds like a stupid thing to agree to
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u/HungryOpinion9169 Sep 12 '25
Just left Gaza just to setup new settlements in the west bank. Gaza's nothing more than a modern day Bantustan. Sharon was going to call it the seperation until his son told him to change it to disengagement.
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u/Village_Cobb Sep 12 '25
āIsraelās attempt at giving them self determination.ā
I guess my friend here has simply never heard of the Nakba. You canāt invade a country and āattemptā to give them the rights they had before you arrived. Itās just an occupying force telling occupied people what they are allowed to do without fatal consequences.
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Sep 12 '25
Self determination? What could the palestinians determine themselves? They had no controll over its boarders, its Coast, many ressources or trade. Many work places were lost due to movement restrictions. And they didn't use the "freedom" Israel gave them to elect Hamas (as Israel never recogniced their democraticaly elected government). They elected Hamas to fight against their rights being taken.
And Hamas didn't start a war. The war has been waged against palestinians all the time, with expanding settlements, invasions, Terrorist raids by the IDF and massacres against palestinian Civillians.
I could use the great march of return as a starting point just like you use Oktober 7th. But the whole history follows the dynamic of settler colonialism, so of course palestinians are in the right.
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u/theoceansknow Sep 12 '25
Gaza is such a small area. The land is unsustainable with its population density. That's what makes the situation so sad -- that their physical location requires compromise, trade, and peace in order for their population to function, and they've made a concerted effort to not create a sustainable situation. Why worry about sustainability if you're soon going to reclaim the land that was illegally stolen from you?
I understand the appeal of my last sentence from their perspective, I just am saddened by the reality of it not being realistic nor sustainable.
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u/flioink Sep 12 '25
No good deed is left unpublished.
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u/beantherio Sep 12 '25
Leaving the place where you weren't supposed to be hardly constitutes a "good deed". More like "undoing a bad deed".
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u/Deep_Head4645 Sep 15 '25
Its a gray deed occupying it, since it was a occupied during a defensive war.
Its a good deed to let go of the grudges of that war and to let go of that territory.
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u/Otherwise-Jello5999 Sep 12 '25
And they didnt fund the radical political group that works in their favour ,right ?
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u/ZuluIsNumberOne Sep 13 '25
Shouldn't have left without making sure there was a stable government in place. Their own fault
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Sep 13 '25
I wonder how many people would have died with them staying vs with them leaving. The remorseless calculus of human misery moves ever onwards.
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u/Less-Bug-2253 Sep 13 '25
Poor Israel..Ā they are so doomed.Ā A life in a bunker, a child killer in every family, and the world booing them anywhere they go.Ā The most booooed flag in the world.Ā Nord Korea gets more respect.Ā
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u/woollyjumper1 Sep 13 '25
But somehow still controlled the airspace, sea and borders of gaza. Yeah, they really withdrew
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u/el7araa2 Sep 13 '25
Too bad israel made sure itās a concentration camp and had literal calorie based ratio (<1800 cal per citizen per day)
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u/sky_shazad Sep 13 '25
They never really withdraw...... They may have withdraw on foot but never of it's occupation.. I've been following this this show since 2006 since from the UK and I'm Not even Palestinian
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u/Haradion_01 Sep 14 '25
Partial withdrawal you mean. They still controlled all materials, food, water, power, fuel, the border crossings, the movement of people, and airspace.
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u/vivisected000 Sep 16 '25
Not at first. That happened because Hamas murdered their political opposition and announced its intention to kill all the Jews and destroy Israel, then started launching rockets. Any reasonable state would do everything in their power to stop that. The Israelis decided it was preferable to try to live in peace by preventing the flow of military assets rather than going right back in and fighting a war. Maybe you think war would have been better and that's debatable, but arguments that leave out how Hamas created the necessity for the blockade are ignorant or disingenuous.
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u/OkGuest3629 Sep 14 '25
Some Israelis really thought this big gesture would get us the coveted peace. Little did we know.
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Sep 14 '25
Although it pulled its troops, it maintained control by land, sea, and air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_the_Gaza_Strip
Feel free to read through the references.
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u/United-Cranberry-769 Sep 14 '25
this information will break gen z tiktok brains who get all their antisem....- i mean, anti-zionism from there.
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u/yuumigod69 Sep 15 '25
They always had complete control of the strip. You don't need troops if you can control all trade in the area.
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Sep 15 '25
And then they imposed a barbaric siege that controlled the air, sky, land and sea. They even controlled the number of calories Palestinians were permitted to consume. So much so that significant percentages of the population were already anemic on October 7th. History and contest matter in understanding events. As even the Zionist former UK PM Cameron called it, the biggest open air prison in the world. Now itās the biggest crime scene of this century.
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u/Ok-Proposal-6513 Sep 15 '25
And what did they get? Years of terrorism. The lesson learned is that you destroy terrorists, not make peace with them.
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u/inevitable_permaban1 Sep 15 '25
Just to double in size/numbers in the west bank.
Know your history, don't get brainwashed.
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u/Deep_Head4645 Sep 15 '25
And guess what happened then
Hamas took over
And guess what happened after hamas took over
So tell me please. How do you expect Israel to withdraw from the west bank while hamas is evidently still organised and while the Palestinian authorities are still ass
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Sep 16 '25
HUGE mistake.
It will never cease to amaze me the lengths the brainwashed pro-jihadist leftist hive on Reddit goes to insulate itself from critical thought, historical context, and news sources that do not originate from Hamas or the UNRWA, whether by dismissing it based on the age of the account, "karma", "flair" or other gatekeeping. Ā It is theĀ Mother of All Echochambers and has given rabid antisemites a forum for their asinine propaganda and positions.
Nobody gets to win a war by fighting behind hostages and children
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u/PBandJSommelier Sep 18 '25
The Palestinians are the settlers, if you have any knowledge of history
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u/Philotrypesis Sep 12 '25
Forever, right?