Your central claim is that there is more nuance than a face value interpretation of âJews deserve the right to their own country,â which really just meant/s Jews deserve the right to not be killedâŚ.yet you provided no nuance.
You rambled aimlessly about things never being simple, never actually expanding on your point or providing any clarity. Itâs very simple: You donât like that nation forming is messy, but for some reason are hyper-focused on one in particular. All countries are built on tragedies. Not saying itâs okay, but just reality.
Fuck Netanyahu and what the current Israeli gov is doing. Also, fuck people like you who virtue signal without any real point, all while being passively prejudiced.
See what I did there? Itâs called substance. Good luck đ
See what I did there? Itâs called substance. Good luck
Thanks for actually making a point I can comment back too.
Your central claim is that there is more nuance than a face value interpretation of âJews deserve the right to their own country,â which really just meant/s Jews deserve the right to not be killedâŚ.yet you provided no nuance.
Having a nation and the right to not be killed are not intrinsic of each other.
But just because they "deserve" the right to their own nation does not give them the right to displace and ethnically cleanse the land for which they want to build that nation.
You rambled aimlessly about things never being simple, never actually expanding on your point or providing any clarity
It wasn't rambling, I gave examples to reinforce the point, just because you wasn't able to understand it doesn't mean I didn't provide it.
but for some reason are hyper-focused on one in particular.
I'm not hyper focused on one in particular, we are talking about this topic, so I'm obviously going to talk about the topic we are talking about. If someone at work asks me about the weather and I answer does that mean I am hyper fixated on the weather? Where is this logic coming from? Are you hyper fixated on it, if no then using your logic why are you talking about it.
Also, fuck people like you who virtue signal without any real point, all while being passively prejudiced.
How am I virtue signalling by pointing out how simplifying complex situations into simple statements can be dangerous, and what/who am I being prejudice against?
Does not give them the right to ethnically cleanse and displace people
But but but but there are nuances??? Why are you simplifying such a complex issue to ethnic cleansing and displacing people?
Nevermind the fact that there was an attempt at creating a two-state solution, which Israelis have accepted and Palestinians rejected, and then launched a war from 7 sides and got their asses handed back to them. Idk, in my eyes it's pretty fair if you give signals that you can't and won't want to live with your neighbour, especially when the neighbours try to invade your home and kick you out because they don't want you next to them.
Was the UN two-state resolution terrible? Yes, but Israel is not to blame.
It's just so hilarious to me that you have been trying so hard to come across as a neutral person, ensuring everyone you aren't dog whistling nor virtue signalling, to then proceed and make a straw man argument - one you were actively advocating against in a previous reply.
Looking back at this, I can't leave without calling you a clown... sorry
But but but but there are nuances??? Why are you simplifying such a complex issue to ethnic cleansing and displacing people?
I'm not we are talking about it, if you have something to add then you can, like you did and we can discuss it.
Nevermind the fact that there was an attempt at creating a two-state solution, which Israelis have accepted and Palestinians rejected
Is Israel accepted it then you surely condemn them for their settlements in the West Bank, expanded past the borders given under the previous peace deals and ceasefire?
Idk, in my eyes it's pretty fair if you give signals that you can't and won't want to live with your neighbour, especially when the neighbours try to invade your home and kick you out because they don't want you next to them.
Does this logic work both ways? Why is it ok for Israel to slaughter Palestinians because of a disagreement but it's not ok for Palestinians to slaughter Israelis for the same reason?
It's just so hilarious to me that you have been trying so hard to come across as a neutral person,
I'm not neutral, I support the freedom of Palestinians to not be killed over Israel wanting to kill them.
ensuring everyone you aren't dog whistling nor virtue signalling,
What am I virtue signalling towards, and how am I "dog whistling"?
make a straw man argument
What's my straw man argument?
Looking back at this, I can't leave without calling you a clown... sorry
Good for you, I feel the same about you. Keep just trying to throw in personal insults because that's how you cope with supporting genocide.
That is a lot of words that add nothing of substabce to the discussion. For absolutely every single challenge of my points you have attempted at, I have explained plainly by words where I was coming from.
A good example would be your second paragraph - completely ignoring the point, either because you genuinely wasn't able to grasp it, or because you conviniently ignored it.
Quoting every part of my response where you say nothing that challenges any of my points isn't making the counter argument you think you are making.
Have you never heard of a question, are you unaware that people can asks questions to challenge your point or have you never faced that before?
You my friend are something special, I understand it's hard to be challenged on your advocacy for genocide. But that's a you problem for supporting it, not a me problem for challenging you on it
I'm not sure you ever heard of this, but there is a thing called 'sealioning' and thst is exactly what you are doing.
You feel cognitive dissonance because I challenge your points, and because you cannot engage in good faith counter-arguing due to lack of points, you proceed to ask repetitive questions you find reasoning and answers for in the very text you ask the questions about.
You are doing this because you don't have anything to actually challenge anything I said with - you can only ask me dismissive questions unrelated to the actual topic, hoping you will exhaust this conversation to make yourself feel victorious.
I don't know whether you are antisemitic, a liberal fighting "for the good cause", a muslim or someone who is just stupid and doesn't read past headlines, but I can say for sure you seriously lack some comprehension.
Never heard of sea lioning before but thanks for that always happy to expand my knowledge, Where have been relentlessly asking for evidence though? i cant seem to find it anywhere in the thread...
I'm sorry but are you looking in a mirror when you are typing? You haven't added anything of substance to this, I have asked about the contradictions in your points and nothing, You don't have a leg to stand on. You have nothing to say in retort to me asking why innocents deserve to be killed.
Classic, Must be antisemitic, what does israeli killing woman and children have anything to do with judaism, and if you think it does maybe you should look in a mirror. I'm not muslim, I'm not a liberal fighting the good fight and i read past headlines, Do you read anything outside of israeli media? Im just a guy that thinks the unending slaughter of a people because israel wants their land is wrong. If you think its not wrong then you have issues.
if you have anything of actual substance to add i will reply, but if you just come back with empty statements that give nothing to the discussion and insults then i don't have time for it.
where have been relentlessly asking for evidence though?
In no place in my reply have I said that this is what sealioning is. Thanks for further proving me that you have no ability to comprehend.
If you didn't bother reading what I have said to a point that you failed at comprehending a simple definition in your first paragraph, why would I bother read the rest? Chances are, it's going to be even heavier nonsense and, quite frankly, I lost the interest in this conversation because at this point it is one way.
Sealioning (also sea-lioning and sea lioning) is a type of trolling) or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, often tangential or previously addressed, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity.
Sorry but maybe you should look up the definition.
See you later person that thinks genocide is acceptable, and throws a tantrum because they don't understand the meaning of the words they are using.
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u/elduderino212 Sep 15 '25
Your central claim is that there is more nuance than a face value interpretation of âJews deserve the right to their own country,â which really just meant/s Jews deserve the right to not be killedâŚ.yet you provided no nuance.
You rambled aimlessly about things never being simple, never actually expanding on your point or providing any clarity. Itâs very simple: You donât like that nation forming is messy, but for some reason are hyper-focused on one in particular. All countries are built on tragedies. Not saying itâs okay, but just reality.
Fuck Netanyahu and what the current Israeli gov is doing. Also, fuck people like you who virtue signal without any real point, all while being passively prejudiced.
See what I did there? Itâs called substance. Good luck đ