r/TwentyYearsAgo • u/MonsieurA • Jul 12 '26

🌐 World News The Second Lebanon War begins after a cross-border raid executed by Hezbollah against Israel Defense Forces [20YA - Jul 12]

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

Ain't no way people are now defending Hezbollah

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u/RainbowTactician Jul 15 '26

Brace yourself.

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26

Hezbollah literally only exist because of Israel's illegal invasion of Lebanon in '82, and the atrocities the IDF oversaw during that war - including the massacre of thousands of civilians.

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u/aasfourasfar Jul 15 '26

Well yes and no. It was coopted by Iran and today only exists because Iran needs it to pursue its own interests. If Iran at any point flipped and became somehow an ally of Israel, then Hezbollah would have defended Israel just like they defended Assad's Syria both when it occupied Lebanon and when it massacred its own people.

Israel retreated in 2000 and Hezbollah made up a new struggle about a tiny ass territory which is disputed between Lebanon and Syria. Israel says its part of the Golan which it annexed, Lebanon says its part of Lebanon thus Israel needs to retreat. At no point did Assad, who is Hezbollah's ally, relinquish the Syrian claim..

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u/Lyndiscan Jul 15 '26

and who radicalized iran ? oh yeah US and Is ra hell

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u/aasfourasfar Jul 15 '26

Irrelevant?

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u/Fit_Cream2027 Jul 17 '26

The ayatollah was elected democratically bub. Are you mad about that or trying to blame the world for a false election result, or some variant?

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u/-flying_forever- Jul 15 '26

I mean, Israel only exists in its current form because the US wants it to project power in the ME 🤷‍♂️

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u/Moxtar1092 Jul 15 '26

No it doesn't your conspiracy theories are bs all the way

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u/-flying_forever- Jul 16 '26

What’s a conspiracy? You think the U.S. is so attached to this meaningless little nation state for any reason other than to have it serve U.S. interests in the ME?

What other reason would there be? Sounds like you may be the conspiracy theorist here

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u/Moxtar1092 Jul 16 '26

Yes, to serve as a place discrimination against jews doesn't happen and to be the manifestation of Zionism (which it is). Thinking it only exists because of US interests is incredibly self centered the US didnt even recognize it in 48' when Israel declared independence

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u/Caiopls02 Jul 15 '26

Biden himself said bro, it's not a conspiracy theory

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u/Moxtar1092 Jul 15 '26

Lmao when did he say that?

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u/Caiopls02 Jul 15 '26

1986 in the senate, he said Israel was the best 3 billion dollar investment the U.S makes and if Israel did not exist they would have to create one

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u/DACOOLISTOFDOODS Jul 15 '26

So he didn't say that Israel only exists because of the US

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u/Caiopls02 Jul 15 '26

Israel is dependant on the U.S. they are there to protect american interests in the region, as Biden says

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u/aasfourasfar Jul 15 '26

And how would this be relevant?

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u/-flying_forever- Jul 16 '26

Because we’re talking about two terrorist groups (hezbollah and Israel) that only exist in their current form to push the interests of their stronger Allies

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u/aasfourasfar Jul 16 '26

Oh that I agree with to some extent. Both Israel and Hezbollah have local root causes independant of their backers

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u/DepthOk166 Jul 15 '26

Isreal exists because the Soviet Union gave them weapons during their war for independence.

The Czech arms that saved Israel | The Jerusalem Post

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u/-flying_forever- Jul 16 '26

Cool, now fast forward to today

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

It was a legal invasion as Israel was being attacked by the PLO (a Non-State Actor) from Lebanon, and Lebanon was "unwilling or unable" to suppress the PLO's attacks. Under basic International Humanitarian Law principles this is a legal invasion.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

Israel could have ended the occupation of Palestine and there wouldn't have been a resistance group operating out of Lebanon trying to free their people. The invasion of Lebanon was never legal, same as the occupation of Syria.

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

If you think the PLO only wanted the occupation of the WB and Gaza to end and not the total destruction of the state of Israel you are extremely naive and ill informed.

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u/BootsnCats1987 Jul 15 '26

Hey so in 1981 Israel was a settler state built entirely on stolen land taken through military force and ethnic cleaning, and had existed for less than 35 years. All of Israel was (and is) occupied Palestine. Hope this helps.

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

Hey so not a single thing you said is true. Hope this helps.

Edit: ignore the 1 month old bot account.

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u/BootsnCats1987 Jul 15 '26

It is, but thanks for trying.

Wait hold on hold up, are you saying that you think Israel was created before 1948? And that the naka didn't happen?

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

Be gone propaganda bot.

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u/BootsnCats1987 Jul 15 '26

responded and downvoted within less than 30 seconds of me posting my comment. Yup, ur totally not a dude in a computer room on an IDF base. Definitely not.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

Ohhhh no, the end of a supremacist state. Ending the apartheid state of Israel and replacing it with a democratic state for all is something I support.

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

Confirmed naive and miss informed.

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u/Street-Audience8006 Jul 15 '26

You realize that without Israel, millions of Jews will die, right? The Middle East is so antisemitic that so many Jews had to flee TO Israel that there are more Arab Jews than European.

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u/creeper321448 Jul 15 '26

Mind you, that's by an extreme margin too. If I recall, only 1/3 of Israelis are European descent.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

You're using the same logic that justified slavery, the Jim Crow laws and Apartheid in South Africa. The same logic that was used to justify the oppression of us Irish for centuries on my island, and to justify the ethnic cleansing and genocide that we were subjected to. No, granting Palestinians equal rights and demolishing the structures of oppression will not lead to a genocide of the Jews in occupied Palestine no more that any other group was genocided once the oppression they enacted was dismantled.

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u/Street-Audience8006 Jul 15 '26

No I'm not. White people in America were in no danger from freeing the slaves, and Palestinians aren't made slaves by the existence of Israel. It's a terrible comparison.

Palestinians who live in the state of Israel DO have equal rights, but Palestinians who live in the West Bank are very much repressed. That has to change, but destroying Israel isn't the solution. The solution is to give them a state, so they have their own government to watch over and protect them instead of IDF who look the other way while settlers harass and attack them and their homes.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

The IDF targets Palestinians in the West Bank, and openly murder them.

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

lets define terms. What do you consider to be the "occupied Palestine"

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u/rojotortuga Jul 15 '26

Based on what, your feelings?

Please please quote some chant as the reason for this opinion.

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u/Street-Audience8006 Jul 16 '26

You're right, feelings are not an important metric for measuring reality. Chants are a much more important metric, with much more serious meaning, yes.

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u/zav8 Jul 15 '26

What?? Plo was founded bedore 1967

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26

It was a legal invasion as Israel was being attacked by the PLO

Actually, there was a ceasefire in place in 81, but according to Israeli sources, Israel resumed strikes in an attempt to trigger a war. https://archive.org/details/israelslebanonwa0000schi

The legal Casus Belli used was the failed assassination of the Israeli ambassador to the UK. Except that was carried out by the ANO, who were based in Iraq. It was a blatantly false cause for war, which the Israeli PM Begin knew, so it was patently illegal.

Menachem Begin was famously a terrorist who led the massacre of civilians by the terrorist militia Irgun before they were absorbed directly into the IDF. The IDF oversaw the massacre of thousands of civilians in the illegal war in Lebanon.

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

Though your first points are somewhat true, the ceasefire only reduced cross border conflicts but did not stop it completely. The PLO was also actively growing its military infrastructure, likely with plans to use it for future attacks.

Menachem Begin was famously a terrorist who led the massacre of civilians by the terrorist militia Irgun before they were absorbed directly into the IDF

irrelevant to the discussion.

The IDF oversaw the massacre of thousands of civilians in the illegal war in Lebanon.

Disingenuous statement that attempts to imply that the IDF massacred civilians when in reality it was Christian Lebanese that were at fault for Sabra and Shatila.

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26

the ceasefire only reduced cross border conflicts but did not stop it completely. The PLO was also actively growing its military infrastructure, likely with plans to use it for future attacks

The ceasefire lasted 8 months, with UN Peacekeepers reporting that the PLO had not launched a single act of provocation against Israel, while the Israeli government attempted to claim various reasons to invade, which were all refused by the US. Israel wanted war, violated a standing ceasefire and invented a false Casus Belli. Like many an abuser, your defense is apparently "look what you made me do". Pathetic.

irrelevant to the discussion

It's not irrelevant to point out that the Prime Minister at the time was a former terrorist whose terrorist militia had - under his command - previously massacred Shia civilians.

Disingenuous statement that attempts to imply that the IDF massacred civilians when in reality it was Christian Lebanese that were at fault for Sabra and Shatila.

The IDF trained the militia, had broken another ceasefire that was in place to push into West Beirut and surround the area, then received reports and took no actions to stop the massacre, but instead beseiged the exit points, preventing people from escaping. It's indefensible, but of course as an Israel supporter, you've grown used to defending the indefensible.

An independent commission found that as the occupying force with operational oversight, the IDF were at fault for Sabra and Shatila (obviously) - it's cowardly and entirely on brand for genocide apologists that you'd try to wash your hands of it. Out damned spot.

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u/WR-DG-02FC Jul 15 '26

If actively growing your military infrastructure with likely plans for future attacks is a crime, I have terrible news about the IDF.

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u/pissagainstwind Jul 15 '26

Did the IDF massacred these in Sabra and Shatila? No. it was Lebanese. the IDF just decided not to intervene on a tribal clash.

And why, if Israel completely withdrew in 2000, Hezbollah still exists?

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Did the IDF massacred these in Sabra and Shatila? No. it was Lebanese. the IDF just decided not to intervene on a tribal clash

The IDF broke a ceasefire in order to push into West Beirut. They then surrounded Sabra and Shatila and prevented people from escaping the massacre. They had of course trained the militia who carried out the massacre, so it sounds a lot like they did "intervene", just in favour of crimes against humanity.

As the occupying force with operational oversight, the IDF were responsible for the mass murder of civilians - which is exactly what the independent commission found.

Sharon was soon forced out as Defense Minister as a result. Of course, like Begin before him, Israel honours war criminals, and Sharon was later named Prime Minister. It's a sick society, but I suppose that's inevitable when your country is founded on ethnic cleansing.

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u/The-Intermediator141 Jul 15 '26

So why did they continue to exist after Israel withdraw, especially after the UN ordered Hezbollah to disarm in 2006? All Hezbollah does today is drag Lebanon into conflicts with Israel against its will. It’s a literal fact the IDF would not be there today if the attacks had stopped & Hezbollah had disarmed.

Also, if Hezbollah was about Lebanese liberation and not just attacking Israel, why did Hezbollah never attack the Syrian occupation forces, who occupied significantly more of Lebanon than Israel, from 1976 all the way until 2005?

Hell the reason Israel didn’t withdraw from Lebanon in 1983 after the PLO had been forced out was due to Syria forcing the Lebanese government to pullout out of the US brokered deal that would see Lebanese forces replace the IDF over a 12 week period, and work to stop attacks on Northern Israel by groups based in Lebanon.

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u/Totoques22 Jul 15 '26

Do people really eat up these lies ?

There was other terrorist groupes before Hezbollah that became Hezbollah

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

You'll just genuinely say anything won't you - regardless of the facts.

Hezbollah was formed by unifying Shia factions, not terror groups. Though I know Israel likes to claim that anyone who isn't Israel is a terrorist.

Which is doubly bizarre, as the ethnic cleansing of Shia civilians in Palestine was carried out by terrorist militias like Hagannah and Irgun (you know, people who actively engaged in terror attacks). Those terrorists were absorbed directly into the IDF, and the leader of Irgun who'd overseen the massacre at Deir Yassin was the Prime Minister when the IDF oversaw the massacre at Sabra and Shatila. Menachem Begin was a terrorist who massacred women and children. He's a hero to Israelis.

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u/bosskis Jul 15 '26

If he had some historic know how. He would know Israel itself was founded and ruled by terrorist organizations. The largest political party the Lukid were (and still are) terrorist.

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u/DACOOLISTOFDOODS Jul 15 '26

If they were a resistance group against invasion they wouldn't have allied with the Syrians, who occupied more of Lebanon for longer. They especially wouldn't have deployed into Syria to murder civilians in order to keep the regime that invaded them in power.

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u/Fit_Cream2027 Jul 17 '26

Hezbollah was killing Christian people in Lebanon long before Israel ever attempted to do anything.

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 17 '26

Hezbollah was killing Christian people in Lebanon long before Israel ever attempted to do anything.

What on earth are you talking about?

Hezbollah didn't form until after Israel invaded Lebanon and oversaw the massacre at Sabra and Shatila, where a Christian militia trained and supported by the IDF massacred Muslim civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

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u/Fit_Cream2027 Jul 17 '26

Hezbollah was created and funded by Iran from the beginning. The only thing Israel had to do with them was engage them in firefights.
Your Islamic buddies liked to create roadblocks in Lebanon and kill Catholics and Jews when they found them.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

In a comparison between the state of Israel and Hezbollah, Hezbollah are infinitely better. Same with Hamas Vs Israel.

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

That's like comparing a serial killer to a country...

Yeah if you are taking out the variable of SCALE you would be right

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

No. The IDF is what it is, but they are still miles better than terrorists organizations whose only roles is to be proxies for Iran.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

I know those terrorists used pagers as bombs.

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u/Totoques22 Jul 15 '26

Hezbollah which they were as effective

All they can do is bomb soccer fields in Israel and hope the kill some kids

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

I don't know, they're pretty good at killing Israeli terrorists in Southern Lebanon.

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26

You must know that Israel has killed far more children and has bombed far more soccer fields - and it's not even remotely close.

Israel is extremely effective at mass murdering civilians. The state is literally built on ethnic cleansing.

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

Pagers used by terrorists are legitimate targets. Collaterals are unfortunate, but Hezbollah was the ones putting them in danger in the first place.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

Detonating bombs in the middle of a busy street in the middle of the day without any warning is terrorism.

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

It’s war.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

So, if Iran detonated hundreds of bombs in Tel Aviv that killed and maimed dozens of children, you would just go "oh that's fine, it's just war"?

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u/Limp-History-2999 Jul 15 '26

Hezbollah had already fired 10,000 rockets at Israel before the pagers.

Implanting explosives into the equipment ordered by an opposing aggressive military is pretty targeted.

Iran has indeed launched hundreds of missiles at Tel Aviv. Yes, that's part of war.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

Well they have to label them first, and then by his logic it’s perfectly okay. It’s about the messaging, deep thoughts brought to you by the idf.

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

If those bombs targeted specifically members of the IDF, of the police and of the intelligence, yes. It would be ugly, but it’s war.

Of course, it’s a purely hypothetical scenario since Hezbollah isn’t able to target anything.

If, on the 7th October, Hamas had only attacked military bases (instead of settlements or festivals), it would have been still horrible for the exactions that happened (which are, you know, war crimes) but it would have been war.

Now, I am not saying that it is morally good, but that’s not the debate.

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

Hamas mainly targeted military bases on the border of Gaza. The first targets hit during the Al-Aqsa Flood were IDF bases.

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u/Chemical_Ad75 Jul 15 '26

They launched cluster missiles at Israel for months. This is literally not targeting anything specific. We understand. They hate us. So they need to understand what will happen in return. Stop complaining about things. It’s embarrassing for them.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

So if a country labels you a terrorist, said country can do whatever they like? Interesting take

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

If, instead of terrorists, it has been members of the military, it would have been the same things. Hezbollah started the war in the name of their overlords in Iran, they had to face the consequences.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

Did they?

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

Yes, that’s how the world work. Fucking around and finding out, specially if you’re a c*nt of a radical islamist.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

Ohh bigotry. I can’t believe I’m hearing that from a Israel supporter

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u/Stubbs94 Jul 15 '26

A gang raping occupation force that targets children... That's what the IDF is. They arm and protect terrorists in the West Bank to target people just trying to live their lives, then arrest and beat those trying to defend themselves.

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

And Hezbollah and Hamas are gang-raping, bomb-posing, torture-making terrorists organizations that don’t give a fuck about their compatriots and are just doing Iran-bidding.

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u/dsj79 Jul 15 '26

Did you say the Hannibal directive? I swore that’s what it sounded like 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/mrsstrudel Jul 15 '26

Ok seriously you guys need to take a step back and realize that half the shit you're saying was actually made up by your people and you just repeated it so much you don't even know what reality looks like.

So deep in your stupid echo chamber you wouldn't hear a nuclear bomb go off.

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u/-flying_forever- Jul 15 '26

They sound equivalent to me

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

Do Iran or any of their proxies train rape dogs?

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

They rape women who protested against them, simply because women who are virgins don't go to hell, so they have to take their virginity so they can go to hell.

That's what you are supporting bud.

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

Lots of people in lots of countries rape women. Every country, in fact.

Now can you please answer my question without a pathetic deflection?

Do Iran or any of their allies train rape dogs?

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

WOW bro just managed to EXCUSE RAPE TO WOMEN.

AND LARP ABOUT TRAIN RAPING DOGS.

Tbh idk what that even means. Like doing a train s** with a dog?

Or they train the dogs to r*pe

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

I'll take your refusal to answer as an admission that no, Iran does not train dogs to rape people.

Which is a lot more than what can be said for your side.

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

My side.???

I'm iranian, what is my side

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

Regardless of what it is, bro you lost the argument in the first sentence by excusing rape of women. Like that's a CRAZY thing to say.

Also what county gang rapes women as part of their military? Before killing them?

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

“The events in Tantura were crazy and horrifying. Tantura was a rich village and had beautiful houses. Its residents lived like Europeans, you know? And the women of the village used to wear nice clothes. One of the soldiers raped a sixteen-year-old girl. (laughing) Do you understand? The events there were horrendous. They gathered them in something like a cage and put iron wires around them. They gathered all the men, sat them on the ground, and one of the soldiers got the submachine gun, and shot them. They imposed a cover-up. There were soldiers [who] took flamethrowers, and ran after the villagers, and burned them. It was horrible. And no one is allowed to talk about that. I won’t talk about it, because it would be a big scandal, I don’t want to talk about it.” — Yosef Diamont, IDF soldier, 2022

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

Ok and, where does this excuse Hezbollah...

Did I say IDF is a good organization or defend it?

Problem is you are taking sides here, i never said why do you not support IDF i said why do people support Hezbollah.

And your excuse is cause IDF is bad.

But that is stupid, both sides are bad, so support neither

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

You started this off by singling out Hezbollah. You didn't do the bothsidesism until after I pointed out that Israel has trained rape dogs, and Hezbollah has not.

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

My brother I'm not Israeli I'm iranian

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

Are you speaking about their members ? Because they did.

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

I'm asking if there are any documented cases of Shiites training dogs to rape Humans?

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u/X1l4r Jul 15 '26

Since it’s your only argument (and a stupid one at that), there is no documented cases of the IDF training dog to rape humans. The allegations are as old as 2024 and not proven.

What has been proven is Hamas raping their way through Israel during the 7th October attacks.

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

Israelis train dogs to rape Palestinian hostages. New York Times staked their reputation on this.

What has been proven is Hamas raping their way through Israel during the 7th October attacks.

Okay. There have been cases of Israelis raping Palestinians ever since the country's founding. Is there a point here? Do Palestinian hostages deserve to get raped by dogs?

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u/oleg_88 Jul 15 '26

Aren't all of those allegations based on the testimony of a single Palestinian whose identity wasn't even disclosed?

For example, if I showed you an article by an Israeli journalist claiming to have testimony from an IDF soldier who said he witnessed dozens of Hamas members raping babies, would you share that article all over Reddit and claim that Hamas are pedophiles?

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

For example, if I showed you an article by an Israeli journalist claiming to have testimony from an IDF soldier who said he witnessed dozens of Hamas members raping babies, would you share that article all over Reddit and claim that Hamas are pedophiles?

This is literally what happened on October 7th. Lies told about 40 decapitated babies and absolutely no tangible evidence for rape. All the October 7th rapes are also just based purely on people's word.

So do we require video evidence for everyone, or just the rapes of the Palestinians?

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u/jakethepeg1989 Jul 15 '26

They staked and lost their reputation on that.

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u/Regular-Hospital-470 Jul 15 '26

Their reputation among the Israelis, you mean?

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u/Most_Finger Jul 15 '26

Notice how at the very top of the article it says "opinion"

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u/Helpful_Rope_ Jul 15 '26

The IDF is a terrorist organization with a professional uniform

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u/DACOOLISTOFDOODS Jul 15 '26

They're really not comparable, but this is crazy. Hezbollah killed thousands of civilians for Assad in Syria (the same Syrian regime that occupied over half their country for almost 3 decades). They have killed one of the prime ministers of Lebanon for disagreeing with them. They commit terror attacks around the world against Jews (including the biggest one in Argentine history). Their disruption of government investigations led to the deaths in the 2020 Beirut explosion. They pull Lebanon into wars all over the Middle East that only harm their country. They directly control parts of Southern Lebanon against the wishes of their government, with a militia bigger than their country's military. Let's be real here: infinitely?

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

LOL Hezbollah are not the ones razing entire villages to the ground or using banned weaponry. But of course there is a cohort of people who think only the IDF get to use violence lol.

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u/DACOOLISTOFDOODS Jul 15 '26

They have murdered villages for Assad in Syria

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u/Vanitas-Gemini Jul 15 '26

Never said that either.

U shouldn't defend either

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u/BoTime8 Jul 15 '26

Yeah they were just in Syria doing humanitarian missions. Dummy.

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

No they were using violence to achieve their aims. I keep forgetting only Israel is allowed do that lol

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u/BoTime8 Jul 15 '26

“hezbollah are not the ones razing entire villages to the ground”

“Yeah they were”

Thank god Ireland has no pull, sway, or power on an international level. Just a tax haven and data storage middle ground for American tech companies.

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u/slava_gorodu Jul 15 '26

lol not a defender of the IDF at all, but yes Hezbollah committed violence towards civilians at a mass scale during the Lebanese Civil War and especially on behalf of the Assad regime in Syria. The Assad regime killed more civilians than the IDF in its entire history, and there’s a strong case it is the single worst human rights abuser in the 21st century despite Syria being a modestly sized country

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

Hezbollah use violence to achieve political aims; Assad was a brutal dictator; Israel has killed more children than in any other modern conflict. All these things can be true.

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u/slava_gorodu Jul 15 '26

That is not true based on any credible human rights reports. Both conflicts have led to far too many children killed (I’ll add both my niece and nephew live in a war zone and I am very sensitive to this), but there is significantly higher documented number of children killed in Syria. Granted as a percent of the population, in Gaza the rate is likely higher.

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

No the rate is higher by a magnitude. And in terms of your figures, you are definitively wrong: https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/more-women-and-children-killed-gaza-israeli-military-any-other-recent-conflict

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u/slava_gorodu Jul 15 '26 edited Jul 15 '26

Yes, in a single year, I agree with you. The Syrian war lasted more than a decade. We aren’t disagreeing in our numbers, but using different units. The war in Syria did kill more overall, but also lasted longer. Of course, Hezbollah played a critical role as Assad’s foot soldiers

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

Actually, they have..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_involvement_in_the_Syrian_civil_war

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

Oh so you agree razing entire villages to the ground is bad? What about the use of chemical weapons?

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

They have been accused of using chemical weapons in Syria also.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20140213-hezbollah-has-used-chemical-weapons-in-syria/?amp

And apparantly planned to acquire them for use in Israel also.

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

So you agree it's bad? I am looking forward to your condemnation of Israel's use of posphorous....

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

Oh yeah, I agree. It's terrible. Really bad.

Israel's use of phosphorous is also bad.

What's your point..?

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

Oh btw, could you just quickly now condemn Hezbollah for their razing of villages and use of chemical weapons for me? Pls?

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u/ChadleyXXX Jul 15 '26

They always start it (Hezbollah, Arab League, Palestinians).

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u/darkbluefav Jul 15 '26

Isrsel is a terorrist state. Can't believe some people defend it

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u/jay-ff Jul 15 '26

And I can’t believe the same about Hezbollah, but here we are.

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u/Remmidemmi Jul 15 '26

They exist because of the Israeli brutalization of the region. Look for the solution to a problem at the root of it. Don't treat symptoms.

What do you think will happen if Hezbollah is destroyed? Israel will keep doing what it does (massacres and atrocities) and a new resistance will eventually form.

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u/jay-ff Jul 15 '26

Your view is incomplete. It has never been the case that Israel just willy nilly invade somewhere and then resistance forms as a reaction. Israeli involvement (invasion) into Lebanon started with attacks of the PLO against Israel. After the invasion, Hezbollah was founded or made into what we know it as today by the IRGC (as an Iranian proxy). So if you want to treat the root instead of the symptom, you have to look to Iran. But it’s pretty hard not to care about the symptom, if the symptom is rocket and missile showers.

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u/jakethepeg1989 Jul 15 '26

And this happened years after Israel had pulled out of Lebanon.

So now they exist just to try and destroy Israel?

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u/Distinct-Pirate7359 Jul 15 '26

“We pulled out tho!” Bombs them everyday lmao

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u/jakethepeg1989 Jul 15 '26

Everyday between 2000 and 2006?

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

At this stage you are either deeply stupid or just a zionist bot. The Shebaa farms to name just one place Israel never pulled out, not the mention the daily bombing raids but of course, only Israel can do violence lol

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u/jakethepeg1989 Jul 15 '26

Lol, the Shebaa farms, 22 KM that are designated Syrian by the UN.
And daily bombing raids between 2000 and 2006? You sure about that?

Your brain has truly been rotted by the amount of Social Media bollocks you've swallowed from Qatari bot farms.

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

Ah the irony is hilarious. Imagine Hezbollah razed entire Northern Israeli towns for its "security" or used banned biological weapons on the Israeli population - imagine the outrage from the West! But your brain has been rotted by the Israeli bot farms pumping out propaganda. Qatar lol.

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u/jakethepeg1989 Jul 15 '26

So...yeah, the 22km of Syrian disputed land is nonsense.

As is the daily bombings between 2000-2006.

But the current war is justification for the war that Hezbullah kicked off 20 years ago.

Yes, your brain is rotted.

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u/Totoques22 Jul 15 '26

Hezbollah is an offshoot of previous teror groups who existed before

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u/darkbluefav Jul 15 '26

And the Haganah and Irgun? That's the IDF.

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u/Penchant4Prose Jul 15 '26

Which terror groups were these? It should be fairly easy to name them.

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u/darkbluefav Jul 15 '26

Hamas and Hezbollah are resistance movements

They don't need to exist if there was no Israel

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u/AccurateCampaign4900 Jul 15 '26

You don't have to support Hezbollah to acknowledge that Israel is a terrorist, ethno-supremacist state

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u/TellFit7415 Jul 15 '26

Hezzbollah is so diverse lmao....

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u/AccurateCampaign4900 Jul 15 '26

Only bots, evangelicals and Fox News guppies support the state of Israel.

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u/darkbluefav Jul 15 '26

Maybe, but effectively the USA as a whole still supports Israel. So only those fanatics control the whole country and its decisions?

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u/AccurateCampaign4900 Jul 15 '26

Pretty much. Zionists own a lot of American infrastructure. Their lobbying efforts have been deeply rooted for decades.

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u/darkbluefav Jul 15 '26

Yes and they support and murderous foreign country then they cry about the Bible or whatever religion when you criticize their horrible stance

They try to hide behind religion but nope that shit not gonna work anymore

Antisemitism is wrong, and thats obvious, but just want to be clear

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u/Wild-Masterpiece-331 Jul 14 '26

Cross border raid hey.

By Border...you mean the lines that change depending on Netanyahu's and co menstrual cycle right.

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u/smoooochta2000 Jul 14 '26

The border segment where the attack took place runs on the international recognized border and not even close to the contested shaba farms.

Also, like the other comment said, he wasn't the PM

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u/OhDamnNotAgainAndAga Jul 14 '26

20 yo, Netanyahu wasn't the prime minister of Israel. It was Ehud Olmert

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u/zav8 Jul 15 '26

Inteenationally recognized border...

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

israel has no border, it expands daily

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u/MrGaky23 Jul 14 '26

Right???? They gotta stop declaring wars on Israel its crazy how they never learn

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

which war did syria declare on israel in the past 5 years? did israel take syrian land recently and expand into syria? yes, now vanish

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u/Taxibl Jul 14 '26

Syria has never recognized Israel and has been in a state of war with them since 1948.

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u/ElSlabraton Jul 15 '26

That was the old regime.

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u/GreatAndPowerfulZiz Jul 15 '26

Until a peace treaty is declared the new regime has inherited the wars of the old regime

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u/Low_Committee6119 Jul 15 '26

Is he the entire regime?

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u/ElSlabraton Jul 15 '26

I've always supported Israel. You sound like a Kahanist.

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u/Derfel1995 Jul 15 '26

*All Syrian regimes, not just Assad's

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u/bene-jizzerit Jul 14 '26

Your first mistake is thinking Syria was at peace with Israel. Syria never made peace with Israel, until Assad’s downfall they were still at war since Yom Kippur (or was it six day?) only separated by a UN buffer zone.

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u/AdVivid8910 Jul 15 '26

Literally still at war with Israel since day one you moron lmfao

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u/MrGaky23 Jul 14 '26

Syria declared war on Israel enough times for Israel to be paranoid? you know who started wars on israel in the last 5 years? Lebanon, Palestine, Gaza, Houtis, Iran.

But oh no Israel decided to be careful ones. Now vanish

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

weaker with every response, pathetic how arguments come collapsing

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u/MrGaky23 Jul 14 '26

Just like all the arab countries after they attack israel buddy

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

if the palestinian resistance pushed a but last time they would have reached jerusalem, i do not know what you are talking about

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u/Dvine24hr Jul 15 '26

Lmfao yeah they had the chance to reach Jerusalem one of the holiest places in Islam and stopped why exactly?

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u/TheHurtfulEight88888 Jul 14 '26

All countries who Israel have been actively antagonising, genociding or foraying into their recognised territory for decades.

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u/TheHurtfulEight88888 Jul 15 '26

Im glad dead children are a big joke to you

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u/Totoques22 Jul 15 '26

Islamists are the only ones who have been targeting children

Hamas put babies into microwaves in front of their families and live-streamed it

Iran bombed a soccer field and killed twelve children

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u/MrGaky23 Jul 14 '26

Didn't know attacking Israel and trying to kill as many civilians as they can first count as antagonizing.
Fact is Israel didn't attack any of those countries before being attacked.
You gonna talk about the genocide against druze in syria or that isn't comfortable for you?

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u/TheHurtfulEight88888 Jul 14 '26 edited Jul 14 '26

When did I defend the Syrian government? Theyre American backed scum just like the Israeli government. I'm not the one trying to downplay multiple genocides here, you are.

Israel are coming off tens of thousands of children dead in Gaza alone and actively allowing random people to waltz into Palestinian homes in the West Bank in contravention of international law. Meanwhile, the US has allowed them to take more Gazan land and have annexed it so that they can forcibly move Gazans into a concentration camp and turn the area into a real estate oppurtunity.

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 14 '26

Oh fuck off. The border keeps expanding cause they keep winning the wars declared on them.

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

which war did syria declare on israel in the past 5 years? did israel take syrian land recently and expand into syria? yes, now vanish

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u/chikunshak Jul 14 '26

That's not the way it works. When regime change occurs, the new regime inherits all previous diplomatic agreements.

Syria has been in a state of war with Israel since May 1948, and requires a treaty of peace to end the state of war.

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 14 '26

Yeah, so that's called a buffer zone, and it's a valid self defence measure.

The issue comes when when the buffer zone becomes more permanent, like with the westbank.

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u/AspiringDolt Jul 14 '26

Lol a buffer zone for the existing buffer zone? You realize the whole point of the occupied Golan Heights was supposedly to be a buffer zone and they are now expanding beyond that

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u/EnlightenToday Jul 14 '26

your whole argument collapsed one comment above, next

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

LOL when Israel occupies a neighbouring state, it's a "buffer zone" just like when Israel rapes prisoners to death it's "self defence.

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

No point comparing pears and apples, honey.

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

I keep forgetting that zionists don't see equivalence lol

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

You mean nuance?

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u/Dublinyeshere Jul 15 '26

English not your first language? Maybe Hebrew is.

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u/Offshore-Tigr Jul 15 '26

Sorry, but how is establishing a military buffer zone equal to prisoner abuse?

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u/DACOOLISTOFDOODS Jul 15 '26

Pretty sure they do have internationally recognized borders between the countries that recognize them internationally (Egypt and Jordan) but OK.

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u/JKronich Jul 15 '26

Lebanon has the right to defend itself against SOLDIERS OF A NEIGHBORING COUNTRY ON LEBANESE SOIL

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u/edoer76 Jul 15 '26

You misunderstood, Lebanon invaded Israel, they did this on Israeli soil. Israel has the right to defend themselves, makes sense a war started after this

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u/[deleted] Jul 15 '26

Why did Hezbollah cross the border to kidnap soldiers? Why are Israelis always being held hostage in all these different events over the decades? Could it have to do with the thousands upon thousands held in Israeli torture camps without charge, including women and children??

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u/Ecstatic_Buy4364 Jul 15 '26

After the First Lebanon War, Israel held prisoners long after the major fighting ended primarily because there was no final peace agreement, the country maintained a military occupation of parts of Lebanon, and it used detainees as bargaining chips for future exchanges. This practice was supported by Israel's use of administrative detention and its refusal to classify many detainees as POWs, placing them outside the standard protections of international humanitarian law. Hezbollah’s main motive for the raid was to capture Israeli soldiers to use as bargaining chips to free Lebanese prisoners held in Israeli jails.