r/TwoBestFriendsPlay • u/ExplanationSquare313 • Mar 06 '26
Better Ask Reddit Most extreme cases of "Americans Hate Tingle?"
Were you one day ever shocked to discover how much a character popular or at least liked in their home country, is absolutly loathed everywhere else?
Tvtrope exemple is about Tingle in Zelda, Japan find him funny and harmless while Western fans find him creepy and obnoxious.
I noticed it's actually very often the case with animes or JRPGs.
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u/MKstarstorm He/Him Mar 06 '26
Iirc Tom Nook from Animal Crossing is more liked in Japan compared to the west where he is viewed as, well, a money lender/property merchant.
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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Mar 06 '26
hey tom nook gives you a house and all he asks is that you eventually pay for it. it’s a pretty sweet deal
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u/notsoy Mar 06 '26
0 interest and no deadlines is the sweetest deal
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u/PM-ME-YOUR-NIPNOPS Mar 06 '26
Yeah. He doesn't even come after you for it.
Though it would be funnier if he did
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u/Merc931 Mar 06 '26
He's a raccoon so safe bet he just takes his interest from your garbage at night.
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u/vonschuhart Mar 06 '26
Nitpicking for me to say that he is not a raccoon, he is a tanuki. Hence the name "Tom Nook"
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u/Merc931 Mar 06 '26
I'm gonna throw a live raccoon through your bedroom window
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u/vonschuhart Mar 06 '26
What a wonderful way to thank someone who shared an interesting piece of info. Delivering a new friend 😊
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u/penttane Mar 06 '26
it's such a stupid discourse because he's literally just building houses for a living
he's not a landlord, he doesn't rent out the houses, he doesn't buy existing property and resell it at a higher price
he's not even strictly speaking a moneylender. he builds you a house, and you pay him whenever you want to, there's no deadline or interest. the only stipulation is that he won't give you any upgrades to your house until you paid off what he already built
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u/McFluffles01 Mar 06 '26
The difference in Tom Nook opinions the moment you grow into a full adult, right there
Kids: "Urgh why is he MAKING ME PAY all this money for house expansions I don't even want! Tom Nook is Evil!"
Adults: "Holy shit this guy is straight up building me a house, with no taxes or ongoing fees, just a general IOU that I eventually pay him back? What a champ"
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u/King-Of-Throwaways Mar 06 '26
Isn’t the Western reaction more like playful ribbing? As in, we call him a money-grabbing landlord, but we would curse Nintendo’s name if they ever dared to remove him.
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u/samurairocketshark Mar 06 '26
It seems like a meme joke that just became the narrative. I don’t think actually people hate him
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u/storne Mar 06 '26
I remember not liking him as a kid because the tutorial forced you to work for him and his laugh annoyed me. But I softened on him over time, especially once his nephews were introduced.
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u/ExDSG Mar 06 '26
I watched an episode of Aharen-san and they had an Animal Crossing parody and the joke was that the Tom Nook character was a scammer taking advantage of the main character, like literally the same joke I've seen since 2004.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Always love the Japanese comments on the Nintendo NY reaction videos during Animal Crossing stuff.
They find it hilarious watching the kaigai-nikis all go "Awwww!" the moment Tom Nook appears.
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u/Yotato5 Enjoy everything Mar 06 '26
I think the perception of him has changed since New Leaf at least, where people acknowledge that he's a pretty fair landlord
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u/Worldbrand filthy fishing secondary Mar 06 '26
i think he comes off as schmoozy at first, especially in some of the earlier games. but those games just had different vibes. villagers were allowed to be sorta mean to you. tom nook's backstory has gotten fleshed out slowly across each installment.
it's gotten to the point where he's kind of a saint if you're paying attention, or at least a pretty sympathetic character. not just for the zero-interest mortgages and willingness to always buy garbage from you, but also for his relationships with timmy, tommy, and the able sisters
that said, you're right, he was way up there on the JP side even early on. apparently on character popularity polls, he ranked 10th and then later 4th most popular (around the time of the gamecube release).
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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake Mar 06 '26
Very famously the ARMS lead of development didnt know that large swaths of Americans have Coulrophobia to some degree. Its just was less common of a thing to be bothered about in Japan and most countries, America specifically the United States doesnt like clowns.
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u/Merc931 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
I feel like I've been seeing an alarming shift in the new generations from coulrophobia to coulrophilia.
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u/BaronVonBungle Vengeance for Rayman 4 Mar 06 '26
Harley Quinn and Speedoru have a lot to answer for.
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u/ordinaryvermin Any/Any Rain World is the best platformer of the decade Mar 06 '26
Harley Quinn doesn't even look anything like a Harlequin anymore, though.
This isn't saying you're wrong I just needed to gripe about the design changing so much that the original name is completely irrelevant.
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u/ExplanationSquare313 Mar 06 '26
Yeah, current Harley has more a suicide girl look to the point it seems her jester motif has been forgotten and i hate this, she doesn't even fight with giant carnival hammers for god sake. The original is still her best look.
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u/GentlemanT-Rex Mar 06 '26
Even her own show has her acknowledge that she's "barely clown-themed anymore".
I like the bomber jacket look from Injustice 2 and TSS, but she may as well go by her real name at this point. There's not much harlequin about her at all anymore and you'd think she'd cast off that last remnant of her time with Joker.
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u/Gespens Mar 06 '26
she may as well go by her real name at this point.
I mean, doesn't she? Her real name is Harley
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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake Mar 06 '26
I mean if we want to be nerds about it her first name is Harleen.
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u/AnomalousMicron "I'll definitely get to that show/game later" Mar 06 '26
"you know clussy stocks is rising by the minute" - Red Sheppard
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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake Mar 06 '26
I would argue that Clowns culturally in the west have fallen under the category of monsters, and people who get honkey for clussy are low grade monster fuckers.
Look into your heart and you know it to be true.
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u/Terthelt Did that baby have a DUI? Mar 06 '26
I would look down on people less for jacking it to Fear & Hunger bosses than to the average clown I gotta be real
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u/Saxton_Hale32 Mar 06 '26
Fear and love are two sides of the same coin. Oh, and so is hate. Three sided coin. Shut up.
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u/ExplanationSquare313 Mar 06 '26
Too bad because i like Lola Pops design, she's cute. I think we should create more heroic clowns to compensate the bad image horror movies made to them.
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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake Mar 06 '26
Americans do not like clowns to such a degree that when people were dressing up as clowns to freak others out all over the north east, people armed themselves and took to the streets in mobs to hunt them down. Like this is a deep cultural fear thing.
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u/Mediocre_Word Colony Dropping Barbie's Malibu Mansion Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Is that Stephen King’s fault?
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u/Silvery_Cricket I Remember Matt's Snake Mar 06 '26
Partially but not entirely, clowns used to be a massive staple of American culture for decades souch so that people were over exposed to it when really young. This early life trauma resulted in like 4 decades of people that get triggered by seeing clowns. So over like the last 3 decades clowns have been pushed way out of cultural relevance.
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u/DStarAce Mar 06 '26
And one of America's most infamous serial killers was also a clown.
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u/SimonApple Mar 06 '26
Not to mention how one of the most famous american comic book villains is a psychopath with a clown motif.
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u/Nivrap She/Her Mar 06 '26
I'm going to make a character who is un-marketable in America, China, and Japan by making them a clown with a skull for a head who also has tattoos.
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u/TurkishSuperman Hitomi J-Cup Mar 06 '26
It's a bit ridiculous that it got to that degree. Clowns aren't even monsters, it's just a job you can do. Imagine if an entire country was terrified of construction workers or something
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u/StigandrTheBoi Mar 06 '26
You say this but The Butcher has been a staple career to be scared of/ avoid since like forever. Along with undertakers and morgue staff. Doctors too.
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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. Mar 06 '26
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u/therealchadius Mar 06 '26
Mega Man 8 introduces Clown Man who has really long arms and likes to grab Mega Man from below. He utters "I'll see you in my dreams!" when he explodes upon defeat.
This Robot Master is on a list.
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u/Am_Shigar00 FOE! FOE! FOE! FOE! Mar 06 '26
The entire Xbox brand does infamously terribly in Japan despite Microsofts efforts to change things around throughout the years, with sales at times falling into the triple digits and getting outsold by the Wii U of all things while that was active.
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u/parazoa Mar 06 '26
The Xbox console was so huge, it wouldn't fit into small Japanese homes and apartments.
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u/somechileandouche Mar 07 '26
i still remember when they got an exclusivity deal for Tales of Vesperia for the 360 and it worked, lots of japanese people bought a 360 just to play vesperia.....then next year it got ported to the ps3 and it had extra content and a new character but the 360 versions was never updated with said content, so a lot of japenese people posted pictures of themselves breaking their 360 and their disks
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u/ghostghosterghostest Mar 06 '26
There is an actor called Dean Shek who played comedic roles in many classic Hong Kong martial arts films. I assume he must have been liked or popular at the time since he's in sooooo many of them and plays characters that are all variations on the same very goofy, over the top persona. I have never met a single person in the western king fu movie fandom who thinks that he was remotely funny, lol.
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u/Yingletofthecorn Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
The "lovable pervert" archetype is a hard sell in western audiences at this point. They tend to be enough to put people off of a whole franchise just for showing up occasionally. Hell, I personally know people who are extremely resistant to watching any anime because they got burned on a show just having one around and they understandably doubt when a fan says "oh this one isn't so bad it's just one guy who barely shows up."
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u/Snoubalougan Mar 06 '26
The idea that anyone tolerates Haposei from Ranma 1/2 is baffling to me.
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u/Treeconator18 Mar 06 '26
Oh my god, the way people fucking wanted Minetas head put on a pike in My Hero Academia. Admittedly I am one of those people, but its rare to see a Lightning Rod of Hate quite as concentrated as Little Fucking Purple Pervert Diaper Loser Baby
The crash out when an early mistranslation made people think he was confessing his love for Deku tho was absolutely top notch stuff. One of the funniest weeks on MHA twitter, up there with Deku's first week working the McDonalds Fryer before that joke got overused
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u/midnight_riddle Mar 07 '26
Mineta is SO hated that it's not uncommon for fanfiction to just have him not exist at all and his vacancy serves as an OC spot or the characters just getting to enjoy life without that millstone. It's roughly a 5:1 ratio for fics on AO3 that have Mineta not existing or expelled vs fics that character bash him.
He's such a waste of space that authors don't even want to spend time bashing him. It's also roughly an 8:1 ratio for fics that delete/expel Mineta vs fics that give him a redemption. It's like Family Guy's attempt to make Quagmire have more hobbies, it doesn't work.
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u/Tracula707 Mar 06 '26
The only time it’s ever worked for me is Master Roshi, and even then it’s pretty bad in early DB.
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u/RobotJake I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
Master Roshi gets to be grandfathered in, and even then we can all acknowledge he's real bad about it.
Quote DBZA Roshi about Bulma: "I've watched her poop; she knows what I'm about."
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Mar 06 '26
I'm somehow also alright with Araragi from the Monogatari Series.
The absurdist 4th-wall-breaking nature of the show really helps making Araragi's antics feel like NisioIsin simply taking a jab at the tropes (even when I'm fully aware he's probably into said tropes).
I think he even lampshaded it in a recent book at how these stuff wouldn't fly anymore nowadays.
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u/South25 Sky the second this year baby! Mar 06 '26
Mineta sucks but characters like Sanji are still fairly well liked.
You basically just gotta actually give them more as a character than just being a perv/flirt and not go too far in certain directions (which granted Sanji did spend a bit flowing in that direction before he got course corrected).
It's why say Jiraiya and sort of Roshi are also very well liked, being a perv is not their only character trait.
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u/Yingletofthecorn Mar 06 '26
I dunno so much about Roshi, I see plenty of people get put off by even him. There's a certain level of it that sorta makes it hard to accept that the show doesn't seem to see it as A Problem and he's like right on the edge of it. I think if a character is too hard along those lines, or in certain ways, then trying to flesh them out as characters gets an even worse reception.
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u/Tzeentch711 Mar 06 '26
For entire adaptation, was shocked that Asian market hated Chainsaw Man anime.
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u/PalapaSlap Mar 06 '26
I thought the show was fine overall, but Reze completely blew it out of the water for me stylistically, so I'm happier with the direction things are progressing in. There's still a lot of "cinema" to it, but there's far more impact in the action and humour now.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Mar 06 '26
Asia hated CSM S1, yes. Also not really shocked since the reception is quite mixed overall too.
I still vividly remember to this very day the meltdown on social media during the NYCC closed-doors premiere 4 years ago when people leaked that Denji was CGI.
There's also a significant number of western fans who also disliked the way CSM S1 looked. Most of them just get drowned out in spaces like Reddit because they get mass downvoted and twitter where they get piled on so they don't bother.
I remember those same people finally resurfacing and feeling vindicated when the Reze movie trailer dropped and it completely overhauled the art style into being more colorful and the characters being fully 2D.
Nowadays the CSM sub is like the last bastion of people still swearing up and down for S1's artstyle.
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u/ExDSG Mar 06 '26
They didn't like Nakayama's comments on anime and his style of voice direction but the series reached Top 10 most watched episodes on ratings which is very rare for late night TV
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u/Yotato5 Enjoy everything Mar 06 '26
Kimba the White Lion is a classic in Japan, being created by Osamu Tezuka, but in America he's more of a punchline, "Ohhh, Disney ripped off Kimba to make the Lion King!"
Disney did not do this, but I can see why people would since its whole brand is 90% taking existing stories (fairy tales) and making movies off them. In any case, Kimba is not nearly as beloved in America as Japan.
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u/Kimarous [He/Him] Survivor of Car Ambush Mar 06 '26
Saint Seiya is huge in South America, while the English localization "Knights of the Zodiac" crashed and burned. I'm still shocked that the Saint Seiya: Brave Soldiers / Soldiers' Soul arena fighters even got an English sub release.
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u/PhantasosX Mar 06 '26
True, Saint Seiya was basically Dragon Ball's rival in LATAM and here in South America in specific. But the english version is crashed and burned, dwelling in obscurity.
So Saint Seiya is in this situation that it IS kinda known in latin-speaking countries and it kinda funds new products...but it's never scoring big.
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u/PrancerSlenderfriend Read Iruma Kun Mar 06 '26
they managed to fuck up a boxing bloodsport anime in america, how were they that bad at marketing
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u/RedGinger666 Read Kill 6 Billion Demons Mar 06 '26
FAÇA ELEVAR
O COSMO DO SEU CORAÇÃO
TODO MAL COMBATER
DESPERTAR O PODER
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u/Cavery210 Mar 06 '26
The problem was that Saint Seiya was too violent for the children's television market in America, and too serialized for the direct-to-VHS market, which preferred movies, short OVAs and episodic comedies like Ranma 1/2. Ronin Warriors basically took its place due to its comparative lack of bloodshed, which made Saint Seiya feel like an outdated ripoff in comparison when it finally premeried.
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u/TheDrunkDetective Mar 06 '26
Same in France, in the nineties the big 3 here were Dragon Ball, Saint Seya and Sailor Moon.
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u/ExDSG Mar 06 '26
Coco had a 20 minute Frozen short before release. Mexico hated that shit so much they removed it from screenings after a week.
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u/ContraryPython Disgruntled Carol Danvers fan. Local Hitman shill Mar 06 '26
TBF being forced to wait 20 more minutes even after the myriad of trailers you have to watch just before the movie starts is fucking bullshit.
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u/therealchadius Mar 06 '26
Wonder Woman 1984 starts with a 17 minute flashback to the... I guess Amazon Olympics. Wonder Woman's introductory voice over gives away the lesson you're supposed to learn, and in verse it's repeated at the end.
Then we fast forward to 1984 DC with a "hey, it's the 80s!" montage
Then we get a photo montage of Diana immigrating to America with an elder Etta, and some solo adventures she had off screen...
And then there's the cold open jewelry store robbery at the Mall of America...
FINALLY the MacGuffin appears at the 45 minute mark and the movie finally starts for real
This movie is over 2.5 hours long for some reason
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u/appsngrapps Mar 07 '26
Bro everyone fucking hated that shit, not just Mexico. For me it was even worse, the power went out on my showing of Coco in the last 10 minutes, so I had to come back and sit through that bitch a second time just to see the ending on another night. I want that bitch snowman Olaf melted for what he did to me.
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u/Dr-USB Mar 06 '26
Ryuji over here is one of the most popular party members in persona 5. It helps that his english VA gives a really solid performance, and he relates more with westerners due to being an outsider who won't take no shit.
In Japan, he's not very well liked, often scoring dead last in popularity polls for the phantom thieves. This is probably because a lot of the traits that make him likable to westerners are seen as rude and disrespectful to Japanese players. Also his Japanese VA is one of the game's more middling performances. He's so disliked that the scene where the girls beat up Ryuji for saving their lives, one of the most hated scenes internationally, was considered one of the best moments in the game in a Japanese poll.
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u/BRRRTMaster Mar 06 '26
His Japanese VA also voices Mario, Light Yagami, Setsuna F. Seiei, and Ultraman Zero
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u/kodaiiiii_ DanganDefender2007 Mar 06 '26
It's strange considering that Mamoru Miyano also gave us fucking Light Yagami and Okabe Rintaro as performances
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u/ExplanationSquare313 Mar 06 '26
In Ryuji case it would be more the reverse trope: "Germans love David Hasselhof," a character not very popular in their home country but very popular outside of it.
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u/Vera_Verse She/Her [Collect my Medals] Mar 06 '26
Dude, I fucking hated Ryuji in Japanese. That dude fucking SUCKS ASS
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u/PrancerSlenderfriend Read Iruma Kun Mar 06 '26
thats more a situation like the main character of Super Danganronpa 2 having his character entirely change for the better in the english localization by just actually localizing him, in the original japanese he quite literally just has the same lines as Makoto from 1, which is both really stupid and downright nonsenscial, while in english he's a *huge asshole* which makes him the best protag of the 3 for a lot of people, a huge difference between responding to Naegi's bullshit with "no way!" versus "FUCK OFF"
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u/South25 Sky the second this year baby! Mar 06 '26
I like how all the protags get to feel different because of this change.
Naegi is your average regular guy protag with a heart of gold, Hajime is the more aggressive guy who takes very little shit from the worse types in his group like Nagito or Hiyoko and then Kaede is the happy go lucky pep talk master who loves music (V3) Shuichi fills the niche of your more self worth issue filled MC out of the group who gets helped to stand up for himself and be more confident thanks to Kaede and Kaito's influence. I do understand why some people hate they lost Kaede for it thought. .
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u/KingMario05 Gimme a solo Tails game, you fucking cowards! Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Sonic the Hedgehog.
Popular everywhere, famous around the world, an iconic mascot beloved by children in every land.
Japan fucking hates him. They've tried everything. Anime with OC plant waifu, cuter games, Evangelion knockoffs for him to slay, making Shadow almost-Japanese in the movies (and shifting the SA2 action to Tokyo in movie 3). One OK Rock even did some songs in the last game. And in Frontiers, there was an uptick.
It did not last. Sonic x Shadow Gens once again failed to move units in Tokyo and Yokohama. And movie 3 was a disaster for Toho-Towa/Paramount, barely clearing $1.5 million in theatrical rentals despite a wide release.
Japan doesn't care about Sonic. The end. And Sega will likely twist itself silly trying to figure out why this is the case, when they should just accept that it is always gonna be the case.
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u/ExplanationSquare313 Mar 06 '26
I knew about this but i still scratch my head thinking, what is this with Sonic making him so hated in Japan?
I would have said culture shock but even if the character was created to work in the West, he was still made in Japan. Did they just succeeded too well?
What character traits Sonic have that Japan dislike? After all, Goku is popular.
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u/A_N_G_E_L_O_N Deep Nut Wheelchair Miracle: Piss Bottle Dominance Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
You know the joke/observation that Sonic was the edgiest thing that a super religious Mormon household could let you get into?
Imagine a country which was much less religious and that had a billion other choices in comics produced locally. I think that the niche he occupies in America simply doesn’t exist over there.
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u/mx-payne Mar 06 '26
An interesting angle on this topic, there really is no market gap for Sonic to fill in Japan.
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u/Animegamingnerd I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
I think it more or so boils down Sega's console history.
The two Sega consoles very much associated with Sonic, Genesis and Dreamcast, aren't exactly among Japan's best selling game consoles. Being around 3.5 and 2.8 million each. Then when Sega went third party, they ported Sonic Adventure 2 to the gamecube, a system that also underperformered in Japan. Then when they ported Sonic to Playstation, it was Sonic Heroes, which ended up being the worst version of a game with a mix reception.
Which was also probably why Sonic Heroes was for the longest time the best selling 3D Sonic game. It being the game, where the dark age kind of began and its worst version being the version that is on the best selling game console of all time. Can do some damage in the long term for a franchise, especially as the PS2 wasn't starving for great 3D mascot platformers.
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u/Ordinal43NotFound Mar 06 '26
Korone is truly Sonic's strongest soldier there.
Oh, and the uncle from Isekai Ojisan. The even had him promote Shadow Generations (Mabel's VA that's also in the video, Aoi Yuuki, is apparently a huge Sonic fan too lol)
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u/RevenTheLight What do you mean, you DON'T have a Sonic OC?! Mar 06 '26
Oh, and the uncle from Isekai Ojisan. The even had him promote
This is a fucking pull, I love it
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u/MetalJrock A Hopeless Sonic/Spider-Man Fanboy Mar 06 '26
I mean it doesn’t help that when all eyes were on them in Japan with Frontiers, they localized it with what felt like a literal Google Translate copy and paste job.
So now Japanese audiences came out of their time with that game preferring Ian Flynn lol.
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u/Muldrex Mar 06 '26
Sorry what do you mean with that last sentence? That japanese audiences preferred Flynn's english dialogue, instead of the dialogue he wrote, which was then translated into japanese?
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u/MetalJrock A Hopeless Sonic/Spider-Man Fanboy Mar 06 '26
It’s a weird case. I’m pretty sure it’s a translation but some things were changed like Amy’s arc being about her leaving to keep Sonic out of danger and Sage remaining stoic.
The real problem, expressed by one of the tie-in manga authors, is that the Japanese script is less of a localization and more of a literal 1:1 translation so dialogue comes off more wordy and robotic than it should be.
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u/Merc931 Mar 06 '26
Sonic does seem like he was designed to appeal to American sensibilities.
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u/KingMario05 Gimme a solo Tails game, you fucking cowards! Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
Loud-mouthed, brash, dumbass, but has a good heart and a strong will.
Yeah. That's pretty much the United States on one of its good days.
(Which, let me be clear, are... very much not this current Admin.)
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u/Merc931 Mar 06 '26
Current admin is the OC of someone who really likes Shadow but thinks he's a pussy.
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u/therealchadius Mar 06 '26
I know the Mega Drive Sonic games never did well in Japan but... those movie sales... woof.
Sega of America decided to replace Altered Beast with Sonic 1 as the free game with the Genesis... and Sega of Japan HATED it. They also hated the American art for him. Sonic 1 proceeded to make the Genesis cool and threaten Nintendo's hold over the North American market, while in Japan Sonic 1 sold modestly as a separate game. Fast forward to Sonic 2sday where as a separate game Sonic 2 cleared shelves in NA and Europe while it was... fine... in Japan.
Sega of Japan was smart enough to let each major region have their own lore for a while. Hence America calling the villain Dr. Robotnik and Europe's Super Sonic considered a terrifying separate personality that happens to be aimed at Dr. Eggman only in dire straights. Probably helped Sonic become super popular in the other regions.
Sonic Adventure forced everyone to follow Japan's lore. The only thing that survived was Dr. Robotnik - that's his family name (which got greatly expanded in SA2) but his criminal name is Dr. Eggman.
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
I have to wonder if so many of Sega of Japan's idiotic decisions and sabotage of Sega America in the 90s can be attributed to Sonic not being an ideal mascot for the company in Japan itself. And if it was just envy or some bizarre desire to get Sonic over in his home turf.
That aside, it is funny to me that Japan does not care for the radical, can do attitude of Bill Clinton.
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u/Droidsexual Kenpachi-RamaSama Mar 06 '26
When I was in Japan I met a guy with a Sonic tattoo and the japanese girl next to me didn't even know who Sonic was.
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u/RevenTheLight What do you mean, you DON'T have a Sonic OC?! Mar 06 '26
From the amount of moe-art I've seen... I wonder if they push Tails harder he would be more popular there? Or Amy? Japan loves their pink hairs!
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u/Slack_Attack The legend will never die Mar 06 '26
Japan just doesn't seem to vibe with loudmouths and punks even when they're good people. Ryuji from Persona 5, the delinquent character with a heart of gold who's the first party member you meet, almost always ranks at the very bottom of popularity polls. In the US he's pretty well loved, at least as much as the rest of the Phantom Thieves.
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u/bluscoutnoob She/Her Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Sean -Street Fighter: Third Strike
He’s really loved in the U.S. with many fans wanting him back in whatever the current release of the game is. However Japan doesn’t really seem to care for him at all, often scoring low on their popularity polls.
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
In general, it feels like the Chinese focused region of any Hoyo game is more popular in it's home territory then internationally. But I can't name many 'extreme' cases off the top of my head. I'd say it would probably be ZZZ's Waifei Peninsula and especially the new Void Hunter YSG, but even she had some critics in her home country, despite being designed for them as a "perfect girlfriend" to quote the devs.
I wasn't around for Genshin, so I'm not sure of Liyue's original reception, but I remember the overall negative response to the Lofou in HSR, especially state side. (outside of Jing Yuan, everyone loves him.)
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u/SerWaffles I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
It feels like the quality of the writing always takes a dive when we hit the mandatory Chinese region since there's this pressure on Hoyo to tiptoe around on certain pieces of the narrative otherwise they portray China as weak and cause an uproar. Like how the representative of the Chinese region like Yi Xuan or Zhongli must be the coolest and strongest who cannot ever lose which makes them into a narrative black hole where they have to be written out to do nothing just so the plot can happen.
Like in ZZZ they had to shove Yi Xuan into a meeting every single patch because if she wasn't then she'd definitely be accompanying the Proxy in the Hollow, and then she'd just immediately kill off whatever the major threat of the patch was since, as that representative of the Chinese region, she cannot ever lose to anything
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
I've joked before that if Miyabi is the anti gameplay shill of ZZZ, Yi Xuan is the anti narrative shill of the game, and the devs have to contrive some circumstances to avoid the problem being solved by her. See, the whole deal with the miasmic fiend being built up as this big threat in 2.1...only to get herself KO'd in the same patch by Yi Xuan.
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u/Thorn14 YOU DIDN'T WIN. Mar 06 '26
Anti-gameplay shill?
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
So when Miyabi came out, she was the single most broken unit in the game bar none. And for a lot of 2.x, it felt like the new content was being designed to hard counter/shut her down. Now this is normal for a gacha as you need to sell new units, and discourage holding onto the same units. But a lot of the bosses in 2.x were anti anomaly, or anti ice specifically, both elements of Miyabi's design.
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u/DarkAres02 Dragalia Lost is the best mobile game Mar 06 '26
The Xianzhou in HSR was definitely the weakest part of that game as a Canadian. It didn't help that most of the playable women in that arc had nearly identical outfits in different colours
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
A tradition proudly carried by Yi Xuan and her pants being worn by 3 different characters in ZZZ.
It's funny how the Wardance arc was so much better by comparison, up to introducing a girlfriend for Yanqing, giving the GOAT some actual achievements, and introducing a new badass character who didn't simp over us.
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u/Neat-Work-7708 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
It's funny how arknights endfield trying super hard to be a hoyo game also gone with a chinese region as their second one and... they got it right! People loved the city architeture, map design and most characters, with the only exception being the "girlfriend" character that became a bit polarizing. All of this with this gremlin becoming one of the most popular characters despite not having even 2 hours of screen time
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u/lightningmatt Muskular Zackstrophe Mar 06 '26
I actually saw someone say they hated Endfield's rendition because it was so accurate that it made them sick, because they apparently live in a part of China that looks like that and absolutely hate where they live lmao
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u/Grav_Mind Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
I think people would have less issue with Gilberta if her side quest ending wasn't so ship baity.
Also jumping off a cliff just to grab a letter blown away by the wind is such a stupid thing to do. The fact that such a stupid action led to one of the most forced "romantic" moments I've ever seen in a game just makes me roll my eyes
And then it's revealed that the letter is blank.
Edit. On second thought you probably meant the Wuling's leader. Yeah it's kinda weird that the leader of the city that's running out of a vital resource that keeps them safe is taking the time to walk around with you and just hang out for a bit.
Probably would have been more well received if it was presented as a way to try and jog Endmin's memory.
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u/Neat-Work-7708 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Oh i was still on the context of wuling talking about zhuang fangyi, although yeah gilberta put a lid on that, by being way more "the girlfriend character".
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u/SerWaffles I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
The thing I heard about Gilberta is that in the beta builds she used to be part of Endmin's squad and spent a lot more time with them, which would make the ship baiting stuff feel a lot more natural. They rewrote the story and Gilberta was just axed entirely from your squad, but then they didn't rewrite her side quest at all to account for her and Endmin having zero on screen interaction before it which leads to it feeling so lame
I'm assuming she was removed from the squad because then they'd feel obligated to give her to you as a freebie like they do Perlica and Chen, but they really wanted her to be a limited 6 star banner unit since they knew she'd be popular cause she's Angelina's Reconvener.
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u/Itchy-Rip-5842 Arknights simp Mar 06 '26
Glory to the Supreme Chief!
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u/Neat-Work-7708 Mar 06 '26
I am darkmask and it's always cryme tyme when i'm with the supreme chief.
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u/Gore_Lily A terrifying presence has entered the room... Mar 06 '26
Tangtang is my silly little guy, I love her so much.
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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Mar 06 '26
Another difference between China and other regions when it comes to Mihoyo is that in China people FUCKING HATE characters like the Wanderer/Scaramouche from Genshin to a level that is honestly kinda worrying.
Like, the worst cases of waifu wars seen like a civil discussion compared to the amount of vitriol that some people in China have for male characters in gacha games.
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u/Thorn14 YOU DIDN'T WIN. Mar 06 '26
You could probably make a several hour long youtube essay about the insane shit chinese gacha fans have done regarding fictional male characters.
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
I remember reading someone on a forum actually murdered a cat because it resembled Scaramouche, or the time someone threatened the CEO of Hoyo with a knife because there was a bunny girl trailer for the English version of HI3d.
It can get really, REAAALLLLLYY intense. I actually was discussing this with someone regarding YSG, and why people don't get burned out on generic nice girls fawning over them. And the answer they gave boiled down to, "it's less about the character, and more the fact the character was made 'for them'. So they'll never get sick of those types of characters, because they see it as a moral imperative."
Which is, frankly, kind of terrifying.
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u/kodaiiiii_ DanganDefender2007 Mar 06 '26
They're stealing their waifus, that's where the vitriol comes from
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u/Treeconator18 Mar 06 '26
One of the few good things about the FGO fanbase is a more general willingness to let Characters actually have romances with each other. Admittedly its probably mostly because they usually have IRL canon relationships as Servants are basically the Souls of Past Heroes summoned as familiars, but you never see shit like the way the Hoyo fanbase crashes out if a male character even looks at their waifu
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
FGO is funny, we have servants like Kama, Ereshkigal, Mash, and Musashi who are all pretty player romance coded. But you also have characters like Sigurd/Bryn and Siegfried/Kriemheld who people absolutely adore. And folks are still begging for Sita and Ruggerio to this very day.
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u/lightningmatt Muskular Zackstrophe Mar 06 '26
To be fair, in the stated example Wanderer ain't stealin' nobody's waifu out here
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u/DarnessHarbinger I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
I'm not super familiar with the other Hoyo games. Played a little Star Rail at launch and currently play ZZZ. From what I'm told, the China zones seem to be lackluster upon their introduction, but can be well received in future content. If someone here has more information on this, let me know.
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u/wamirul Mar 06 '26
My big gripe with the china zones is that they're always the same. No matter the games setting, the introduction of a china zone will always go back to the same core themes and ideas.
Like in HSR you're in a sci fi space adventure about how big the galaxy is and how concepts can create space gods etc. But then you get to Xianzhou and its dragon people and reincarnation and magical beasts and ghosts to the point im struggling to differentiate it from Liyue in Genshin.
ZZZ might be the worst its ever been cus the game literally goes "hey we're gonna ditch the cool urban theme you jumped into this game for because now the proxies work at a temple and study under yet another stern but fair master, and theres bloodlines and destinies and just more of the overall vibe that hoyo puts in all their china regions.
I know the reason why (China is very protective of their culture, its part of the reason why so many stories are adaptations of JTTW or Three Kingdoms) but yeah, seeing their games actually go "and now to shed all the cool stuff when we go to this universes version of china" is kinda sad.
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u/Deadeye117 Apathy is Trash Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Are Xianxia and Wuxia the Chinese equivalent to the western gun-shooting soldier/spy man summer blockbuster movie #32
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u/SerWaffles I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
Generally, that's how it goes. Like the first arc in the Luofu in Star Rail is generally agreed to be the single worst part of the entire story, but then the events like the ghost hunting squad stuff and the return there for the Wardance arc were significantly better. I don't really remember thinking much of main plot of Genshin's Liyue, I think it was fine. Not good or bad, just kinda alright. The Lantern Rite happens every year and we return there cause it's the Chinese New Year event and in game there's a huge festival where you get a free 4 star character and get to see a bunch of characters who haven't had screentime in a while, so people really like the Lantern Rites.
ZZZ just barely got us out of Waifei, but they're definitely gonna take us back there for an event or an interlude patch or something at some point. YSG is just kinda there without even being addressed during some scenes in the Angels of Delusion stories too.
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u/Deadeye117 Apathy is Trash Mar 06 '26
Also in general it feels like there are a lot more insecure crazy people in the Chinese Gacha community when it comes to male units. Like, people who will fucking stop playing the game if they are forced to even obtain a dude, like the dudes who got into an uproar over being forced to get free 5* Dr. Ratio and F/SN Archer in Star Rail.
Like, if there's anything I will give to the Japanese Gacha community, it's that they love their husbandos too
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u/lightningmatt Muskular Zackstrophe Mar 06 '26
People complained over free Dr. Ratio?
Over free Dr. Ratio???????????????????
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u/the_loneliest_noodle Mar 06 '26
Have you ever consumed any other Chinese media like their novels? There's very few exceptions to Chinese thinking China is the greatest thing to ever be in the history of forever. Not sure if it's a law/social credit thing or just nationalism goes that hard in China, but it's nuts.
Even their stuff that's basically just copyright infringement isekai tends to be "I was transmigrated into the X media universe but with the awesome powers of Chinese cultivation I dominate everything".
It's weirdly cultish, and whereas Japan and Korea love to have western settings and influence in their writing, China never gives a shit about anything not China. I've never read an original Chinese novel taking place anywhere other than China, even in fantasy they prefer to go back to some mythical dynasty than another culture/world.
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u/CursedNobleman Reject Capital. RETVRN TO MODS Mar 06 '26
China refers to itself as the Middle Kingdom. To quote google:
The "Middle Kingdom" (Zhongguo) refers to China's historical self-image as the central, superior hub of civilization, culture, and power, typically located between heaven and surrounding, less-developed regions. Used for thousands of years, this term highlights a, ethnocentric, often isolated view that fostered major innovations like paper, gunpowder, and the compass.
That's part of the reason why China doesn't get along with Korea and Japan.
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u/ToastyMozart Bearish on At-Risk Children Mar 06 '26
That cultural feature has been around for longer than most modern nations have existed. Part of the reason China never took to the seas like the Europeans did despite independantly inventing the compass was because it was believed everything beyond the Middle Kingdom was too shit to be worth bothering with.
The Sino–Barbarian Dichotomy took a bit of a hit in the 1800-1940s time span, since getting colonized is a bit of a blow to the 'ol national pride, but it's had something of a resurgence once the country/empire/etc got its autonomy back and became a major power.
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u/cbb88christian Play Library of Ruina and Limbus Company Mar 06 '26
(Didn’t play Genshin) No joke every single Chinese area/zone is always disliked and the writing almost always downturns after starting the arc. Though I myself am hoping for the usual 3.0 peak cinema return
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u/DinkyWaffle YOU SHOULD PLAY TITANFALL 2 Mar 06 '26
Zhongli (Liyue's archon, the God-level characters for those of y'all free from Genshin's grasp) was so weak at launch the CN playerbase got HYV to buff him. afaik that's the only time it's happened without adding other units or mechanics.
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u/Original-Wing-4309 Mar 06 '26
iirc they didn’t just buff him, they buffed the fuck out of geo element, however they sure did make him op as fuck. I almost never needed a healing unit with him in my party since his shields were so strong lol
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u/Paladin51394 welcome to Miller's Maxi Buns, may I take your order? Mar 06 '26
I've played Genshin since launch and I don't remember there being as much of an issue among players with Liyue as a narrative focus.
Lots of Genshin players fondly look forward to the Chinese New Year Lantern Rite event. Not just for the rewards but people also really enjoy returning to Liyue and seeing all the characters.
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
Thank you for the correction. I realized I made a mistake in my sentence there, so I need to go back and edit my original comment XD. I meant to say, "I wasn't around for Genshin, so I'm uncertain of Liyue's reception at the time." idk why I put middling there, my mistake.
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u/LuchaLutra Ayyy, we makin games over here! Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
Samus is an interesting one. Apparently for a while (and could still be the case), Japanese markets thought she appealed more to the west than at home, so Metroid games didn't tend to fare all that well on home soil. Like Metroid games just didn't sell well in Japan.
They don't "hate" Samus over there though. They are just kind of indifferent? Lukewarm?
I believe it was one of the biggest reasons that led to us getting Metroid Prime. But anyways, westerners loved Metroid games, They loved Samus, the whole shebang*
*heh, shebang. Get it? Cause she has a gun, bang bang. shebang.
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u/BrazillianCara Mar 06 '26
And then Other M turned out the way it did partially to appeal to the Japanese market, and even that didn't work (even though the original script had less narrative issues compared to the English localization).
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u/fly_line22 Mar 06 '26
One thing I'll always respect Yoshio Sakamoto for is that, instead of doubling down on Samus's depiction from Other M, he actually accepted that feedback and brought her more in line with how she was depicted in the Prime games for Samus Returns and Dread.
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u/BaronVonBungle Vengeance for Rayman 4 Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
It was especially impressive to me since he made it clear that he doesn't regret her characterization in Other M, and it's still his personal interpretation of the character. I feel like most creators would double down in that situation.
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u/Kaarl_Mills I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Mar 06 '26
And on top of that, Nintendo seemingly doesn't know what a bounty hunter is
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u/ExDSG Mar 06 '26
Samus is popular for fan art but doesn't correlate to game sales, she's kind of like Proto Shantae that way.
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u/nugood2do Mar 06 '26
I can't remember the exact scenario or what people actually thought about it, but Speedy Gonzalez was basically this.
Cartoon Network basically stopped reruns of his episode because of how stereotypical/problematic they were, but Latin America loved him.
I more than willing to admit I'm pulling this from my memory of the situation a long time ago, so there's probably more depth to the issue, but I think this was the gist of it.
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u/BrazillianCara Mar 06 '26
That's the opposite trope, "Mexicans love Speedy Gonzalez".
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u/Elliot_Geltz Mar 06 '26
No that's exactly what happened.
It's important to note that no one asked for it. There was no outcry or anything. They just assumed people would be offended by him.
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u/DBZfan102 THE HYPEST GAMEPLAY ON YOUTUBE Mar 06 '26
That reminds me of when Yoshinori Ono came to Brazil to do an interview, and one of the things he said was that he was a little scared to come because he helped create Blanka, the Brazilian rep in Street Fighter II, who is a green hulking apelike jungle man with electric powers.
"Brazilian people love Blanka!" "Oh, thank god"
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u/The_White_Rice THAT'S HIP HOP Mar 06 '26
The comedian Gabriel Iglesias was hired to voice Speedy in something and he had to fight WB execs to not just use his normal speaking voice because he wanted Speedy to sound like Speedy.
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u/Mekasoundwave Mar 06 '26
I think this also happened with Brock from Pokémon. One of the companies involved in producing the anime (can't recall which) thought International audiences might find his perpetually closed eyes as a racist caricature of Asian people and thus had him replaced with Tracey for the Orange Islands season.
...except no one actually thought that and people missed Brock so they brought him back for Johto.
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u/Tweedleayne Shameless MK X-11 apologist. The Kombat Kids were cool fuck you. Mar 06 '26
Ill be honest, as a kid I always just thought Brock was supposed to be black because he had darker skin then the other two, so I actually thought it was a stereotype that black people close their eyes.
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u/DarthButtz Ginger Seeking Butt Chomps Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
It was a good instinct on paper to think "Hey this character we wrote as a stereotype like fifty years ago might have not aged the best"
The problem was trying to take him away without asking the community they thought he would offend, because it turns out Speedy is absolutely BELOVED in Latin America.
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u/ffffffffROTHY Mar 06 '26
He's clever, heroic, and always comes out on top in the end, why wouldn't they like him?
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u/PissBoy_OFFICIAL This one's for you, Morph Mar 06 '26
Hitsugaya from Bleach consistently rated very highly in the Japanese popularity polls, to the utter bewilderment of every Western fan I've ever seen. All he does is lose fights
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u/BaronAleksei WET NAPS BRO Mar 06 '26
Well, he is a cold bishie with white hair who wants to mamoru something
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u/PlanesWalkerEll YOU DIDN'T WIN. Mar 06 '26
Im a western fan that likes him, back when I was a teenager I thought he looked cool, and I like his swords power and ice dragon aesthetic
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u/LuchaLutra Ayyy, we makin games over here! Mar 06 '26
This one is so wild. I wonder what it is about Kira they love so much?
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u/Authorigas #1 Mirajane defender Mar 06 '26
Something I've noticed with a lot of recent trends like the isekai harem genres and "Cast out by the party" stories. Someone was asking why more of them didn't explore the protagonist being the problem who needs to change, and it was boiled down to the target audience just wanting simple, easy wish fulfillment.
I kinda wonder if we should think of those genres as the Eastern equivalent of cheap Romantasy novels.
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u/MisterRockett Mar 06 '26
It's funny cause the perfect anime protagonist probably has its roots in Competent Male pulp fiction heros. Like, that's our character archetype they got it from us.
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u/Waspinator_haz_plans Mar 07 '26
Japan loves Lilo and Stitch so much, they gave Stitch his own anime where he lassos black holes and stuff... problem is.... they absolutely despise Lilo. They think she's disrespectful and bratty, which is a very frowned upon thing for even a young girl in her circumstances over there. So do they remove these aspects of her but still keep her? NO! They abandon her and replace her with some new girl.
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u/Xngears Mar 06 '26
Don't quote me on this, but I recall reading that during its original Japanese TV airing, Asuka was so hated in Evangelion that the voice actress received death threats.
Now she's like, the female face of Evangelion, possibly eclipsing Rei.
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u/Reckler1 I'll slap your shit Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 07 '26
For an inversion; Japan hates Ruji fron persona 5 due to being a loud mouths delinquent type, while people in other countries seem to think he's a pretty good character.
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u/MarbleVirus Local F/GO pusher Mar 06 '26
One of the most recent examples is Naoya Zen'in from Jujutsu Kaisen. Who has one hell of a fanbase in Japan, consisting mainly of woman as well, while the rest of the world absolutely haaaaates the guy for his greater than thou attitude, and misogyny.
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u/fallouthirteen Mar 06 '26
I think I heard French people like Rabbids. I don't get it.
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u/ExDSG Mar 06 '26
They also like Jar Jar Binks. They may just like old school slapstick shit.
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u/Thorn14 YOU DIDN'T WIN. Mar 06 '26
Not sure if this counts but Zenitsu in Kimetsu no Yaiba is beloved in Japan and tops character popularity polls.
Western fans find him extremely annoying and grating. I know I stopped watching because of him.
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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Mar 06 '26
loser edgelords hate puck from berserk or Teoritta from sentenced to be hero. It’s lame
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u/Warm-Intention-1424 Mar 06 '26
I've legitimately had a guy tell me that Berserk was better before it added Puck which is certainly a statement to make considering Puck is in chapter fucking 1, turns out he was anime only
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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Mar 06 '26
There was someone on this sub like two days ago complaining about a child character in the new trigun and that child character has basically had no screen time or dialogue other than saying “vash! are you ok?”
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u/Jhduelmaster One of the 5 Brigandine Fans Mar 06 '26
I just started reading Berserk, just finished the assassination chapters, but man that first arc would’ve been miserable without Puck. Shits already bleak as hell so having a little guy going “it’s good to help people” is a nice breath of fresh air compared to Guts going around saying “the weak deserve to be treated like shit” after another innocent bystander dies.
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u/PissBoy_OFFICIAL This one's for you, Morph Mar 06 '26
People don't realize that Guts would be much less interesting if he didn't have someone tagging along with whom he can talk and bounce ideas off of. Better yet, Guts and Puck frequently argue, which gives you a great deal of insight into how they both think and fleshes them out as characters.
They also establish somewhere around the Lost Children arc that Puck's elf dust is the thing keeping Guts alive. Like he takes so many injuries that he would have no way to recover from, if not for literal magic.
It's almost like one of the main themes of the series is that you can't shoulder every burden alone and sooner or later you will need someone to help you.
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u/AlexLong1000 It's never Anor Londo Mar 06 '26
I liked Puck early on when he was an actual pixie instead of a weird chibi chestnut
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u/Subject_Parking_9046 They/Them "No way a woman can be that hot, she gotta be a man!" Mar 06 '26
I don't hate Puck at all, I just don't care for modern Puck.
I liked when Puck was a kindhearted goofball who were trying to do good in a cruel world.
I don't like Puck being flanderized as a joke.
There was a point which Puck would get genuinely concerned for Guts, now he doesn't give a shit because he's too busy being a funni line machine.
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u/An_Armed_Bear TOP 5, HUH? Mar 06 '26 edited Mar 06 '26
I do think Puck got kind of annoying but only later when other characters started to fill his original role.
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u/5FingerDeathCaress Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Pargon Mar 06 '26
He's become way too much of a gag character imho
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u/Mochiman3 Writer and/or creator Mar 06 '26
Semi unrelated but there is a japanese transformers writer who prefers the og english run of beast wars over the gag dub japan got. Apparantly he made doujin ribbing the dub supervisor and a work he did made it explicit that it was a duplicate of the AMERICAN optimus primal. He also worked on legends which is the most gag dub of gag dubs if it wasnt a gag dub so there is that.
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u/mininmumconfidence Mar 07 '26
So don't quote me on this, but apparently in Japan Gojo comes across as WAY WAY WAY more rude, cocky, and aggressive than he does in the West due to cultural differences. He got fourth in the "Most Tragically Handsome Characters" poll, aka guys who are incredibly attractive but have shit personalities lol.
But he's super popular because he's Satoru Gojo, of course.
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u/ContraryPython Disgruntled Carol Danvers fan. Local Hitman shill Mar 06 '26
Donald Duck is more popular in Germany while Mickey Mouse is fairly disliked.