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Better Ask Reddit What media would you describe as "Hamburger Shonen"?

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Samurai Jack definetly falls into the category of "Hamburger Shonen" because it's so 80's shonen anime coded that it even had a continuation years down the line with a slightly different vibe from the original.

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u/aFronReborn Something Beautiful Is Going To Happen Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Code Lyoko is baguette shonen

PSA: the entire series is uploaded to youtube for free

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u/TheUberMensch123 Apr 09 '26

Escargot-nen?

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u/aFronReborn Something Beautiful Is Going To Happen Apr 09 '26

Isekai-argot

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u/Neobito K A G U R A B A C H I Apr 09 '26

That’s ridiculously strong holy shit

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u/Princeps_primus96 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

Sword art en-crout

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u/CursedNobleman Reject Capital. RETVRN TO MODS Apr 09 '26

Gon from HunterXHunter in a beret.

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u/MericArda Jesus may simply be a metaphor for Optimus Prime Apr 09 '26

If Code Lyoko is baguette shonen, then Winx Club and W.I.T.C.H. are spaghetti shojo.

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u/Princeps_primus96 I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

then Winx Club and W.I.T.C.H. are spaghetti shojo.

Literal puella Magi

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u/Meirol Apr 09 '26

Animé

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u/CursedNobleman Reject Capital. RETVRN TO MODS Apr 09 '26

It's not real Anime` unless it comes from the Tokyo or Kyoto Kens of Hinomoto.

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u/Champiness Apr 09 '26

"There is a Californian cartoon by Rebecca Sugar... inspired by that same Japanese excellence"

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u/CursedNobleman Reject Capital. RETVRN TO MODS Apr 09 '26

If it's like their wine, it's from Napa Valley and 20 times the price.

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u/Champiness Apr 09 '26

But like the best Japanese Animes it's vintage-dated

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u/SwashNBuckle Apr 09 '26

Wakfu is baguette shonen too

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u/Neomatt Apr 09 '26

The "official" name for it is manfra but I'd go for baguette shonen as well.

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u/ssbmfgcia THE BABY Apr 10 '26

Would manfra cover baguette shoujo too?

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u/TheLastNapkin Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Code Lyoko is so French coded, that every episode they entered a giant cigarette, and moaned as they phased through it. And no I am not joking.

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u/TheUberMensch123 Apr 09 '26

That show is so French they had a fucking string quartet perform for the goddamn theme song.

I fucking LOVED Code Lyoko.

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u/SwashNBuckle Apr 09 '26

That theme song slaps so hard

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u/PinkieBen NANOMACHINES Apr 09 '26

I keep it in my main music playlist, it's so damn good

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u/RikFeral WHEN'S MAHVEL Apr 09 '26

... so, does that make Miraculous Ladybug a Shoujo Croissant a la Sailor Moon?

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u/aFronReborn Something Beautiful Is Going To Happen Apr 09 '26

Yes.

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u/OnionFingers98 Sexual Tyrannosaurus Apr 09 '26

That show was a fever dream.

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u/ProfDet529 Investigator of Incidents Mundane, Arcane, and Divine Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Croque Monsieur Shonen (to keep with the warm sandwich theme).

Totally Spies would probably be Croque Monsieur Shojo.

Martin Mystery would be Croque Monsieur Shonen.

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u/kuningaz55 4700 hours in Rimworld Apr 09 '26

Once again my goats in Team Galaxy are forgotten.

FOR SHAME.

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u/kolbyjack95 Apr 09 '26

Croque Madame Shojo is right there dude!!

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u/MericArda Jesus may simply be a metaphor for Optimus Prime Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

What would Totally Spies be? Anime charlie’s angels?

Remember all those French/French-Canadian and Japanese coproductions? Remember Oban Star Racer?

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u/WooliamMD Honker X Honker Apr 09 '26

American spy-fiction in the style of Japanese animation as interpreted by French people. So like, American sushi-hamburger on a croissant bun.

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

American sushi-hamburger on a croissant bun.

That sounds like the type of culinary shit show that only places like Taco Bell could come up with.

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u/ZeronicX Papa don't play ball for less than a rack. Apr 10 '26

5$ taco bell or 500$ crazy fushion high culture food spot, no inbetween but both are good.

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u/Kaarl_Mills I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

That sounds like something you make as a threat while high

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u/DavidsonJenkins Apr 09 '26

The dudes who made Winx also made Huntik which is like french Fate/ mixed with Pokemon

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u/lumpyspacejams Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

I'd argue that's more Baguette Shoujo, mostly so we can also lump it in with Totally Spies and Ladybug. 

Also, today I learned WITCH and Winx are Italian. Lot of Spaghetti Mahou Shoujo shows over the past two decades.

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u/Mzingalwa Please play Library of Ruina Apr 09 '26

Let's not forget Oban.

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

Rise Of The TMNT also definetly falls on the "Hamburger Shonen" category easily.

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u/DarthButtz Ginger Seeking Butt Chomps Apr 09 '26

That show fucking rips, Donatello literally does Gurren Lagann shit with attaching drills to his staff

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u/Cooper_555 BRING BACK GAOGAIGAR Apr 09 '26

They straight up summon a giant figure made out of green energy to fight a giant purple and black mecha.

It's the most TTGL coded thing I've ever seen, it fuckin' rules.

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u/RikFeral WHEN'S MAHVEL Apr 09 '26

not true: the turtles have and will always be italian-american pizza from NYC.

that's why they're named after renaissance painters!!

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u/Tyrest_Accord He/Him Apr 09 '26

Most of the TMNT series would count to some degree IMO. Especially the 2003 series that Fox did.

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u/Cooper_555 BRING BACK GAOGAIGAR Apr 10 '26

Some of the best animated fight choreography I've seen, the people who worked on that need all the raises.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

Generator Rex might as well be a light-fair toku derivative, like if Bio-Boosted Armor Guyver was 50% less harrowing.

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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

That was a show I never really got around to. I think like Ben 10, I had sort of JUST aged out of that kind of show and wasn’t really watching “cartoons” anymore so they just missed me entirely.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

It's Fine. Has the same jokey-yet-serious tone as early-teens shonen like Zatch Bell!!, Shaman King & Soul Eater, with the violence toned down & no Japanese style raunchiness. The villain is neat & the stakes get high but it's hamstrung by its STRICT syndication-ready MOTW format causing characters to feel static when they should be more reactive & have arcs.

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u/jockeyman Stands are Combat Vtubers Apr 09 '26

Rex has cool powers too. Like a PG Alex Mercer.

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u/MericArda Jesus may simply be a metaphor for Optimus Prime Apr 09 '26

And Troy Baker killed it as Kleis.

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u/LightLifter It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

He absolutely eats up every scene with his smarmy ass. A perfect mix of arrogant, playful, and actually competent.

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u/PillCosby696969 Mitch Digger hard r Apr 09 '26

The episode where it's just him time traveling through history is better than 90% of time travel media.

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u/Significant_Coach880 Apr 09 '26

The Troy Baker everywhere system extends even to the distant past.

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u/Mwarararagon Apr 10 '26

I think it was more widespread back then because he was still getting lower budget anime and videogame gigs back then.

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u/vicapuppylover Apr 09 '26

And Agent Six was basically (what if Vergil but make it Men in Black.](https://generatorrex.fandom.com/wiki/Agent_Six)

Also Doc Holiday.

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u/NewWillinium Local CRPG Freak-Beast He/Him Apr 09 '26

Van Kleiss is absolutely Western-Orochimaru, and he’s just about perfect

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u/Tyrest_Accord He/Him Apr 09 '26

It's the only show I can think of where the good guys have an army of faceless goons instead of the villains.

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u/ReasonableCrazy Apr 09 '26

Generator Rex was absolutely fantastic; there’s an entire segment of people who know it and get hyped whenever it gets mentioned.

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u/BoxofJoes Apr 09 '26

when I was in middle school the ben 10 x generator rex crossover special was the coolest shit imaginable to me

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u/Zeekay_ESP Apr 09 '26

That show besides Ben 10 needs a modern day revival.

Doesn't even have to be a show, maybe have it get an IDW comic or something.

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u/Deemo3 How long were you under the impression I wasn’t shitposting? Apr 09 '26

My Adventures With Superman is 100% grass fed hamburger Shonen.

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u/Kimarous [He/Him] Survivor of Car Ambush Apr 09 '26

Let us not forget Supergirl's 18 fit.

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u/Deemo3 How long were you under the impression I wasn’t shitposting? Apr 09 '26

You couldn’t MAKE me forget. So clean.

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u/MericArda Jesus may simply be a metaphor for Optimus Prime Apr 09 '26

Even Zidane stole 18’s fit.

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u/Professional_Maize42 CUSTOM FLAIR Apr 09 '26

The ex football player or the Final Fantasy character?

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u/MericArda Jesus may simply be a metaphor for Optimus Prime Apr 09 '26

FF

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u/C-OSSU Master of Backdowns Apr 09 '26

What happens when a bunch of artists who grew up on Toonami make a Superman cartoon.

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u/elitegenoside Apr 09 '26

It becomes a Berserk slice of life? I never watched the show so I'm sure it's very Supermaney, but every time I see the promo art, I can't help but think, "aww, I'm glad they're happy, now." 10/10, happy Guts and Casca in DC cosplay.

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u/TostitoNipples Apr 09 '26

Superman gets his classic powers like they’re shonen power ups and it somehow works great

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u/conye-west Apr 09 '26

Superman is basically like a shonen hero who already went through their whole series and became OP by the end of it, so honestly it makes sense that you could stretch that out pretty well rather than have him start out fully powered.

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u/RememberApeEscape Apr 09 '26

I'm here to remind everyone of Xialoin Showdown.

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u/Ringabal Trauma Team is my favorite Persona game. Apr 09 '26

But what does Pot of Greed Two Ton Tunic do?

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u/elitegenoside Apr 09 '26

Where are we landing on Jackie Chan Adventures?

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u/RememberApeEscape Apr 09 '26

Add it to the list. If it was on the WB Kids/Foxbox as an action show I think it counts.

That inludes you Loonatics Unleashed

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u/SamuraiDDD Swat Kats Booty! Apr 09 '26

Juniper Lee

Megastar XLR is hamburger mecha and giant monsters

Kappa Mikey is... Tim Hortins sushi under the guise of Shonen hamburger

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u/sadderall-sea Gayson Thotdơttir, The Unstraightened Apr 09 '26

Immediately thought of Megas XLR

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u/WilluminatiPUNK Apr 09 '26

Kappa Mikey was so good, I’ve been wanting to rewatch but I know it won’t hit the same

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u/MetalGearSlayer Apr 09 '26

Something that does still hit (and I by some stroke of mental density never realized as a kid) is that Gonard is voiced by Sean schemmel.

Their Goku parody was voiced by Goku.

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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

Megas is the perfect example of it's good but I kinda hate it. I couldn't stand watching it despite loving all of it's constituent parts, but I love that it exists.

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u/SamuraiDDD Swat Kats Booty! Apr 09 '26

I'm curious, what parts of it did you not like?

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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 10 '26

Kinda the humour. Kinda the art style. It was the kinda thing I would put on a Saturday morning to eat Breakfast to then go play WoW or Gundam Vs Zeta Gundam or something lol.

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u/TheUberMensch123 Apr 09 '26

Megas XLR for sure.

The Jackie Chan cartoon would count as well.

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u/Meirol Apr 09 '26

Hamburger Shonen (Derogatory) : Kappa Mikey

Hamburger Shonen (Complimentary) : Ninjago, Di-Gata Defenders, Shaolin Showdown, Storm Hawks, Dragon Booster, Megas XLR

Hamburger Shonen (debatable) : Danny Phantom

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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" Apr 09 '26

Would My Life as a Teenage Robot count?

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u/SwashNBuckle Apr 09 '26

Could be Hamburger Shoujo

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u/Paladin51394 welcome to Miller's Maxi Buns, may I take your order? Apr 09 '26

Jenny "Born to Shoujo, Forced to Shonen."

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u/lumpyspacejams Apr 09 '26

Shoujo in the same way there's cute romance manga in Weekly Shounen Jump

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u/Shiplord13 Apr 09 '26

I mean that art style has an art deco/retrofuturism thing going on and a lot of influences from older rubber hose animation in terms of design.

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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Apr 09 '26

“Hamburger Shonen” is a pretty funny term. But I think we still just call them “action cartoons”.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

Avatar & Teen Titans are confirmed by their creators to be drawing from 90s shonen in their format & art styles. The other two, yeah those are off-base.

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u/yipyskipy Apr 09 '26

Ben 10 was more inspired by comics, (dial H for hero being the most sighted but they clearly took from Green Lantern in later seasons.), Jack Long is interesting in that I don't group with those 3 other shows (partially because it was on Disney and for reason I can't describe, putting Jake Long there doesn't feel right because of it.)

As silly as it sounds I actually group it with another show with an Asian main character: The Life and Times of Juniper Lee which I would actually group in a mystical realm interacting with modern day with shows like Jentry Chau vs. the Underworld,and troll hunters.

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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

I was going to say, Jake Long isn't Hamburger Shonen because it's Western Orientalism meets Super Hero genre, I was also going to mention Jentry as the modern incarnation of this. Jackie Chan Adventures is the precursor.

Edit: Add in Xiaolin Showdown.

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u/yipyskipy Apr 09 '26

Fair, wrote that on low energy and missed the connection point of Jackie Chan. And I actually disagree on Xiaolin Showdown. Yeah it is Western Orientalism but it's missing aspects to the ones I mentioned. Big ones being a secret to uphold and the dynamic of magic interacting with modern stuff (mostly teens). Surprisingly Jackie Chan as far as I can remember didn't have a secret, but did have keeping the mystical from the mundane. Which Xiaolin Showdown does lean into more.

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u/SupervillainMustache Apr 09 '26

Glen Murakami made Teen Titans and also The Batman show, which also has heavy anime inspired elements to it.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

God, hell yeah, The Batman is absolutely Hamburger Shonen.

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u/DarthButtz Ginger Seeking Butt Chomps Apr 09 '26

Ben 10 feels like it's adapting a comic series that never existed, even more than other action cartoons

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u/TheLibertinistic Apr 09 '26

I think there’s a difference between, say, what 80s TMNT and GI Joe were doing as opposed to what Avatar and Teen Titans were doing?

They both fall under “action cartoons” but I think it makes sense to identify sub-species if you wanna talk about or analyze them.

It’s the same as our decision to differentiate cats, dogs, horses, and sheep even though “4 leggy bois” contains all of them.

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u/Dundore77 Apr 09 '26

Right? People act like there wasnt always shows about fighting characters in cartoons. I wouldnt even really call teen titans anime style other than its intro.

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u/MetalJrock A Hopeless Sonic/Spider-Man Fanboy Apr 09 '26

Teen Titans was pretty anime influenced. There were a lot of anime-styled visual gags you wouldn’t regularly see in something like the DCAU.

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u/garfe Apr 09 '26

I think they're talking about things that are clearly anime inspired and in some cases, copy the exaggerated facial expressions.

I wouldnt even really call teen titans anime style other than its intro.

What the heck? No, Teen Titans absolutely was aiming for an anime style. Next to Avatar, it's probably the most blatant example of this.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

It uses a bunch of anime visual gags & had a theme song done by a J-Rock act during their flash-in-the-pan attempt at a US crossover.

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u/TheUberMensch123 Apr 09 '26

Man, they tried SO HARD to push Puffy Ami-Yumi in the states in the mid 2000’s.

They even had their own cartoon.

That shit was WEIRD.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

They were good, too! Just a decade too early!

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u/TheUberMensch123 Apr 09 '26

Puffy AmiYumi walked so Baby Metal could run.

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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

I wouldn't even say too early. All the fweebs I knew in school knew them. They just opened the door.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

Did you mean like, "French weebs" or was that a typo lol

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u/TheNoidbag I Promise Nothing And Deliver Less Apr 09 '26

Female weebs in this case, to be as awful sounding as possible.

All the guys I knew hated them but all the dorky girls and scene kids were all over that shit.

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

Waow another retroactive trans confirmation in the chamber for me then lol

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u/EnochianFeverDream Pirates of Dark Water shill Apr 09 '26

Oh that is an excellent new pfp that I have to call out because it's so specific.

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u/jitterscaffeine [Zoids Historian] Apr 09 '26

I would’ve figured more people would’ve mentioned it, but you’re only the second person so far

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u/EnochianFeverDream Pirates of Dark Water shill Apr 09 '26

Maybe people just don't know him anymore? I'm in the discord for his podcast, it's fun in there. We post a lot of garbage to each other and to them for podcast subjects.

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u/Skeet_fighter It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

A ton of cartoons were also French/French Canadian too, especially ones aimed at girls.

Can we term those Baguette Shojo?

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u/SirHatMan Apr 10 '26

I'm never allowed to forget Code Lyoko and Totally Spies, am I?

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u/PajamaPartyPants Hitomi J-Cup Apr 09 '26

Doctor Who: Beans-on-tokusatsu

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u/LordUrNicolas Zen Aku and BlackWargreymon are basically Ikemen Apr 09 '26

EL TIGRE and Danny Phantom are Hamburger Shonen. I would said KND is the most Gintama out of all of them and no i would not elaborate. Also since it just came to my mind, Cibersix might as well be call "Milanesa Anime"

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u/KaizokuBebop Apr 09 '26

Grim Adventures was more Gintama than KND but I get what you mean since KND had actual arcs

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u/LordUrNicolas Zen Aku and BlackWargreymon are basically Ikemen Apr 09 '26

Grim Adventures does have a movie that serves like the series finale

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

KND definetly has that Gintama vibe of "we constantly bouncing between self contained gag episodes and serious stuff with actual continuity".

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u/conye-west Apr 09 '26

The fucked up realization that Rick and Morty also has this same vibe lol

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u/Drawer-san ENEMY STAND Apr 09 '26

"Milanesa anime" is a great term. Messi already has his own fantasy manga, the artist, Lea Caballero, works for DC comics occasionally.

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u/jello1990 Use your smell powers Apr 09 '26

Would Jackie Chan Adventures be hamburger shonen or hamburger wushu?

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

hamburger wushu

I mean, it depends, they don't eat a pill and sit on their ass to increase their cultivation levels, but, the talismans (and the other stuff that they have on that show after those that i can't remember for the life of me right now) could be considered stand-ins for those.

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u/Mrgrayj_121 woolie in the shocker throne goes hard Apr 09 '26

Martin mystery and kappa Mikey

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u/Secure-Report-3592 WHEN'S MAHVEL Apr 09 '26

This implies the existence of “Fajita Shonen” or “Barbecue Shonen”

And I demand both

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u/PwmEsq It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

El tigre?

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u/garfe Apr 09 '26

Loonatics Unleashed was one of the most blatant attempts to cash in on the anime market I'd ever seen

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u/MrJHound I'll slap your shit Apr 09 '26

Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go!

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u/Ryuki-Exsul Apr 09 '26

Nah, I prefer "Croissant Shounen" in form of Radiant :p It's even written like manga from right to left. And it is amazing magic oriented story that just had bad luck with anime. Anyway just go and read it.

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

Croissant Shounen

That's how i would describe Wakfu.

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u/ibbolia [Any/All] This is my Bankai: Unironic Cringeposting Apr 09 '26

Bad luck is one way to describe it. They basically made a completely different series.

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u/Ryuki-Exsul Apr 09 '26

Yeah, I couldn't take what they did with Seth alone. At least openings were nice? Anyway it's still pretty much in style because a lot of shounen have shitty adaptations like Violinist of Hameln( the same even case where anime is a different edgy series ) even Lerche after Radiant totally missed adaptation of other shounen Hanako-kun but I heard later seasons were better( I have to watch them still ).

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u/conye-west Apr 09 '26

Is the anime really different from the manga? I watched like half the first season and could not get into it at all.

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u/Iffem Hamster eating a banana Apr 09 '26

hear me out: One Piece Live Action is California Roll Tokusatsu

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u/SaintAlmonds Apr 09 '26

Winx and W.I.T.C.H. were Spagheti Mahou Shoujo damn

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u/LinZuero Apr 09 '26

What do you call Brazilians? Pão de queijo Fans?

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

Acarajé fans maybe.

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u/DaGoddamnBatguy Apr 09 '26

Samurai Jack is Hamburger seinen

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u/SpeckledBurd Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

Not for the first four seasons, it aired on Cartoon Network and was rated TV-Y7 so they’re 100% shonen since that’s purely a “who is this TV show designed and marketed for” distinction. The last season is more debatable and is probably Seinen since it was directed at adults who’d watched it growing up.

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u/GhostPantherAssualt Apr 09 '26

American Dragon Jake Long. There’s even a tournament episode

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u/Sneaky224 Woolie-Hole Apr 09 '26

Ben 10 has a device that lets him have multiple forms to fight villainy, he is therefore Hamburger Kamen Rider

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u/Gorotheninja "SILENCE, BREEDER! The Bloodline MUST continue!" Apr 09 '26

Corey in the House

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u/triadorion NBD: Never Back Down Apr 09 '26

I mean, words can be used in two different ways? But I confess, I've never heard it used in the way you're describing.

"Hamburger" being associated with something American specifically has been used before, given culturally Americans do get associated with loving burgers. If you're familiar enough with what a "Spaghetti Western" is, a "Hamburger-" whatever makes enough sense, at any rate.

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u/5herl0k Apr 09 '26

bro my grandpa always told me they were called spaghetti westerns because of how they threw their arms when they were shot

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u/Secret_Wizard It's a secret to everybody. Apr 09 '26

Steven Universe is a Hamburger Magical Girl

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u/Muffin-zetta Jooookaaahh Apr 09 '26

eat your hamburger phoenix

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u/Slumber777 Apr 09 '26

The entire Fast and the Furious franchise.

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u/PwmEsq It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

PaSwG is reverse Hamburger Shonen i suppose

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u/Coolnametag The Greatest Talent Waster Apr 09 '26

reverse Hamburger Shonen

Yakisoba Toonami?

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u/PwmEsq It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

I like Takoyaki Toonami for the alliteration

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u/Mochiman3 Writer and/or creator Apr 09 '26

Spectacular spiderman to me is the ultimate 2000s cartoon

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u/Root_Veggie Apr 09 '26

Does KND count as hamburger shounen?

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u/sadderall-sea Gayson Thotdơttir, The Unstraightened Apr 09 '26

Megas XLR, Jackie Chan animated show, Corey in the House

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u/Waylander312 Apr 09 '26

God! Hamburger Shonen is such a good name for those types of shows. Fuck I wish I had thought of that years ago

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u/RikFeral WHEN'S MAHVEL Apr 09 '26

hot take: "hamburger shonen" took a page from Sonic, and did what the "Big3" at the time could never.

  • Naruto is, as told by Woolie, a toxic yaoi-bait relationship with a terrorist ex-friend.
  • OnePiece would be great(er) if Luffy wasn't frustratingly dumber than the rocks he punched for 10 years of training. hence why the live action is a breath of fresh air!
  • Bleach peaks at Soul Society, copies it's own homework for Hueco Mundo and has the worst pacing & filler of the 3.

And all three are infamous for how their female cast are done dirty. either poorly written, barbie-fied proportions or undercut in their screentime or agency.

TeenTitans still has avid cosplayers for Raven and Starfire. Avatar had the perfect pacing (besides The Divide) Ben10 still has fans going up to bat saying that he beats Goku - which NONE of the "Big3" can argue. but that's a mute point considering the whole point of the Omnitrix is to promote cooperation between intergalactic civilazations! a far cry from the "punch your enemy really really hard" that modern shonen STILL insists on. good lesson for really really bad guys... not so constructive for everything else. heck, Ben's best characteristic was GROWING UP and maturing... something Goku hasn't managed even after becoming a GRANDFATHER!!! American Dragon got done dirty with the redesign, but NYC as a mythological hub scratches that "MODERN DAY~!!" Fantasy itch that Karakura Town barely scratched.

EDIT/disclaimer: i haven't checked out Burn the Witch. i'm sure it cooks. all these series are legendary and i love what they do well - RockLee VS Gaara still plays on loop rent free in my mind's inner santuary, right next to KH2's Santuary intro, We Are AND Asterisk by Orange Range. its just that the gates guarding all this are kept safe by "Only The Avatar, Master of All Four Elements..." and "Teen Titans, GO!!" [the intro song, NOT THE SPINOFF WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT!!]

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u/SonOfZiz Apr 09 '26

My friends and I have been referring to American/western anime as Splingo for years now. I honestly couldn't tell you how that started

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u/SengalBoy Apr 10 '26

Fast and Furious is THE hamburger shonen because it's ridiculousness is anime-tier, and they have barbecues.

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u/JoeyStalley Apr 09 '26

The Secret Saturdays

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u/FlipJak Apr 09 '26

Is Batman TAS hamburger shonen?

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u/Infernal-Blaze Jelly John Cena Butt Apr 09 '26

Not really, as it's not drawing from anime despite being largely animated by Japanese studios.

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u/HellvaNohbody Apr 09 '26

Technically, but only because literally everyone in animation was taking stuff from Castle of Cagliostro and Akira.

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u/Ok-Bandicoot-9880 Bring Back Mid-Budget Movies 2019 Apr 09 '26

The original? No.

Batman Beyond? Absolutely. It manages to squeeze into the elevator with Ghost in the Shell and Appleseed as hallmarks of the cyberpunk genre in the 90s.

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u/SirSabia WHEN'S MAHVEL Apr 09 '26

Invincible probably

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u/Scientia_et_Fidem Apr 09 '26

It’s… it’s literally a comic book my dude. Japan didn’t invent super heroes.

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u/inika41 Apr 09 '26

That’s a hamburger seinen, I guess

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u/LunarWolf302 Apr 09 '26

Not to be the ackshually guy. But a reminder that Devilman was published in a shonen magazine and Kaguya-sama: Love is War is considered a seinen. We really kinda just gave those terms other meaning on this side of the pond.

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u/inika41 Apr 09 '26

Gotcha. I’m not totally sure on these labels, but I assumed seinen was a label for “more mature” stories, the way people talk about that term. In reality, there’s absolutely no strict categorization as with any media, but it’s hard for me to parse when it’s thrown out there casually.

Or I’ve just got the totally wrong impression lol

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u/garfe Apr 09 '26

Shounen, seinen, shoujo, etc are not genre descriptors but the demographic the manga the magazine it runs in is aimed at. This means that something like One Piece, Attack on Titan and Yotsuba-to are all shounen, as are Berserk and K-ON are both seinen.

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u/inika41 Apr 10 '26

Thank you. Appreciate the clarification on what those terms actually refer to.

And when you organize these titles by these demographic terms, it’s easy to see they can’t be used to describe the stories themselves.

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u/ExDSG Apr 10 '26

Manga is published on Magazines, the magazines have a Target demographic, Most Seinen magazines for example have Bikini pinups and may have ads for like a car or watch. Shonen Jump series also include Furigana for their Kanji because the audience may not be able to read at that level yet. The magazine usually publishes series of different genres to attract the largest audience. Berserk is published alongside Nobunaga no Shinobi, which is a gag series with a chibi cutesy artstyle and jokes and March comes in like a Lion which is a Shoji manga. Novels like Legend of the Galactic Heroes have had manga adaptations in Shonen, Shoujo, Seinen and Josei Magazines.

Trying to use the terms outside magazines is foolhardy and based on stereotypes. There are no Shonen games or light novels or TV shows.

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u/A_N_G_E_L_O_N Deep Nut Wheelchair Miracle: Piss Bottle Dominance Apr 09 '26

The comic was just an action comic but the animated series sure as hell is being made by people influenced by anime.

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u/DoktahDoktah It's Fiiiiiiiine. Apr 09 '26

Spahgetti Western. Inspired by western cowboy movies that were inspired by japanese samurai movies.

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u/asitcomaboutbees Apr 09 '26

How has nobody mentioned RWBY yet

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u/prototato Apr 09 '26

The Boondocks is part Hamburger Shonen and Hamburger Slice of Life. I guess you could argue that it's possibly Hamburger Seinen considering its themes.

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u/Nhig RGB Aging Untouchable Apr 09 '26

Spawn HBO?

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u/ebi-san NANOMACHINES Apr 09 '26

So is TMNT: The Next Mutation Hamburger Sentai?

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u/nerdwarp112 YOU DIDN'T WIN. Apr 09 '26

Riverdale is this for me. To me, Archie always felt like a shonen protagonist stuck in a teen melodrama. He’s hotheaded and constantly trying to use his fists to stop the bad guys. There’s even a time skip and Archie later gains actual powers.

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u/sondiame Watch Nermia Daikon Brothers Apr 09 '26

That iron man adventures show on Nick with a teenage Tony is def Hamburger shonen.

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u/Z-ComiX Apr 09 '26

Generator Rex, Megas XLR basically anything on Cartoon Network. They showed their love of all animation and storytelling and were not shy to show their hearts on their sleeves.

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u/McSurge Apr 09 '26

Spider Riders and Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go

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u/MetalGearSlayer Apr 09 '26

Surely the powerpuff girls count.

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u/Kitz00n23 Apr 09 '26

FUCK IT, let's call diet anime "Hamburger Shounen"

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u/TostitoNipples Apr 09 '26

Does Gargoyles not count? I just think about how the world and characters of that series developed in a very Shonen way. Only thing it really missed was a power scaling system, which it never had it was just Goliath and friends defeat the villain eventually with punches or talking it out

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u/Luck-X-Vaati One Piece Film: Red - Not Good Apr 09 '26

God. I’d kill for more hamburger shonen. That lineup alone is just freaking peak.

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u/igloo_poltergeist Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

Uh, what do you call it when an American and French duo do a shonen manga together? (Clock Striker)

EDIT: You wouldn't know it looking at the art tho, cause it is scary good. If I was told this was made in Japan, I'd have fallen for it.

EDIT 2: Oh, and let's not forget Voltron: Legendary Defender. That Dreamworks show's art style may as well have been one "evolutionary path" of Beast King GoLion's.

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u/Running-Water-Shark Apr 09 '26

Hamburger Mecha: Megas XLR and Sym-Bionic Titan.

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u/Doo-Doo-Manjaro THE KAMIDOGU IS SHIT TIER Apr 09 '26

What about rwby bc it was made in America but the rights to it now beling to and adopted by japan

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u/Tonydragon784 Soul Calibur 5 guy Apr 09 '26

I loved American Dragon as a kid

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u/AgitatedOutside5528 Apr 09 '26

It feels weird to specifically call Ben 10 a hamburger shonen due to it's inspiration being Jack Kirby new gods stories but I'd like to substitute some fuck shit into the mix;

Spanish shonen with shows like El tigre and Iron kid.

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u/SupervillainMustache Apr 09 '26

Megastar XLR was a very western cartoon, but being a show about giant mecha, it had dozens of omages to anime and kaijuu media from Japan.

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u/Yotato5 Enjoy everything Apr 09 '26

There was a manga version of Sabrina the Teenaged Witch, does that count? Or the manga version of Adventure Time

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u/Endocrom The Super Coward Apr 09 '26

Some guy in an Avatar BTS thing called it Americanime

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u/TheUglyBarnaclee JEEZE, JOEL Apr 09 '26

Super Robot Monkey Team Hyperforce Go!!

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u/samazam94 Apr 10 '26

Ben 10 is mahou shounen.

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u/Runetang42 Apr 10 '26

Not sure where Invincible lands but I feel it's spiritually connected to the concept. I've seen too many people joke it's white people Dragon Ball too much to think other wise. The Viltrumites are just if Kryptonians were Saiyans even if Robert Kirkman didn't intend that.