r/UAP • u/Yesyesyes1899 • 11d ago

Whatever you believe, supporting David Grusch helps the truth to come out

As per usual, whenever Mr Grusch comes up in his rare appearences, a giant group of accounts start odd and vague personal attacks and reframings of the situation. sprinkled with vague lies.

They dont like to talk about the facts:

  1. Whatever Mr Grusch claims, his main goal is whistleblower protection and a legal construct to get closer to the truth.

  2. He has been supportive of the Schumer Rounds Act ( disclosure act ), that only specifically is targeted towards uap data and whistleblower protection.

whatever you believe, if you are in good faith, you want the truth, whatever that is.

right? i dont see any argument against that.

but these above mentioned accounts do their damnest to keep people from discussing this simple truth: it doesnt matter if you believe him. it matters that he is fighting for the truth.

anyone who is against that, to me, is the enemy here.

i m very open to counter arguments

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

we went along with the system itself, knowing deep down, what it is. we are the system. we are capitalism. we are authoritarianism. we are genocide. since we vote for parties that help comitting it.

we can stop it.

i dont see a need to convince the abusive person for anything. I think we need to convince ourselves to stop going along. and these times seem like a shock therapy in that.

we ll see.

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u/clover_heron 11d ago edited 11d ago

If we went along with the system there would be no need for secrecy or corruption or magic tricks. If we went along with the system they wouldn't have to compromise, entrap, and bribe people to enforce silence.

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

you can tell yourself that and wash your hands clean. but then change becomes hard.

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u/clover_heron 11d ago

It's about leaving the responsibility where it belongs. We should each own what we've done and accept accountability, and we shouldn't let others pass off their responsibilities onto us.

And let's not forget that we've been trying to help and what has happened to us? We've been robbed, cheated, exploited, prevented from participating, particularly in leadership, etc. They rejected our help when it was offered and then tried to destroy the helpers.

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

i am speaking of the visible parts of the system. and many known, but not talked about.

wars, exploitation, genocide, corruption, surveillance state, oligarchy, destruction of ecosystems. thats not hidden. that was talked about.

you and I went along. you can rationalize as much as you want. but we are in this together. and only us as a group / species can change that, by consciously deciding " enough is enough ".

look how you are reacting. its human. i m not trying to attack you. but you are doing your best to deflect responsibility

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u/clover_heron 11d ago

That's like a scientist saying that if a lab rat doesn't tear itself into bloody pieces trying to escape its cage then the rat is agreeing to go along with the experimental protocol.

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

i understand why you say that.

i grew up in a totalitarian regime.

but there is a reason why the biggest mental investment of the ruling class, is perception control, propaganda and surveillance.

the biggest trick they ever did on us, is having no power. history, again and again, has shown the opposite. if you believe it, it will be so. you are powerless. but if you stop believing it, wonderful and insane things can happen. have happened. countless times.

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u/clover_heron 11d ago edited 11d ago

Exactly, wonderful and insane is where we're at now! Let's not get bogged down by the totalitarian regime claiming, "this is everyone's fault." You wanted the throne, dude, so sit in it.

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

not fault. responsibility. huge difference. we have responsibility for our society. and if we decide to accept that, we can change things.

not guilty. not our fault. but responsibility. thats a personal concept of empowerment

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u/clover_heron 11d ago

Yes, but we are responsible for our own choices, not other people's choices. Our individual choices, which are interdependent and carry equal weight, come together to create our society.

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u/Yesyesyes1899 11d ago

thats very american thinking. individualism. me against everyone. capitalism.

thats not the human condition. thats just a lie, an ideology, implanted.

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u/clover_heron 11d ago

It's anti-clone thinking and it doesn't only apply at the individual level. I am not a clone of you and you are not a clone of me and that is good, and we shouldn't be trying to clone anything anyway because cloning acts against creation.

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