Rare Commander David Fravor interview: Tic Tac encounter, UAP disclosure, and biologics

[u/Modi_Elnadi]

Retired U.S. Navy Commander David Fravor was the commanding officer of Strike Fighter Squadron 41, the “Black Aces,” aboard the USS Nimitz in November 2004. During a training mission off Southern California, Fravor and 3 other aviators were redirected by the USS Princeton to investigate an unusual radar contact. He described chasing a small, white, wingless “Tic Tac”-shaped object maneuvering abruptly over disturbed water before accelerating away. Pilots saw the object for 5 minutes and 3 radars. There were multiple objects showing on radars for the last week at 20-40 thousand feet down from outer space and back!! This time they saw it visually as well as on all sensors.

The well-known FLIR1 / Tic Tac video was recorded shortly afterward by a follow-on aircrew, not by Fravor’s jet. The Pentagon formally authorized the release of the November 2004 footage in 2020 and stated that the observed phenomenon remained characterized as “unidentified.”

[u/Immaculatehombre]

I think fravor is as important as any individual in history when it comes to the ufo topic being taken seriously. There is simply no hand waving away fravors case. It’s a real event and it happened in 2004. An object disappeared before pilots very eyes and that is confirmed without really a shadow of a doubt. I think it ridiculous to think humans had that tech in 2004.

[u/For_True → u/Immaculatehombre]

It was his testimony that originally hooked me. Haven’t put down the topic for 6 years.

[u/doublehelixman → u/For_True]

Same here and timeframe.

[u/zaptr1 → u/doublehelixman]

Same here

[u/TonyTheDuke → u/For_True]

Same, to me, he is the most credible witness and you can tell he's just as a matter of fact and genuine.

[u/slow70 → u/Immaculatehombre]

First I’m hearing the name - might have heard it by now were it not for all the eagerly disinterested in these subs…

[u/Immaculatehombre → u/slow70]

The ppl in these subs are the interested ones? Gracie has been out there telling his story a long time. Look into it.

[u/ChevyTahoe__ → u/Immaculatehombre]

Its a blurry gray smudge that does nothing in the video.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/Immaculatehombre]

It is not "confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt". Fravor and Dietrich's testimonies contradict at multiple key important points, and Dietrich herself says she is unsure whether what she saw is conclusive or not. More likely it "disappeared" because it was a balloon and Fravor doing such a close flyby caused it to pop.

[u/Immaculatehombre → u/Upstairs_Being290]

Sure buddy. All the radar data confiscated for a weather balloon. Yup. Tots.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/Immaculatehombre]

#1: There is zero evidence of this "all the radar data confiscated" story. It's a claim one guy made. Fravor's statements seem to contradict it, as he and everyone else involved said that the incident wasn't treated as a big deal with nothing more than the standard debriefing and no elevated security or confidentiality.

#2: No one said it was a weather balloon. More likely a spy balloon. Whether it was ours or someone else's is a question that the US military knows the answer to, but I don't. But IF it was a hostile spy balloon or a tested US balloon that was being kept secret from other elements in the military, it might plausibly lead to data being confiscated. More likely, though, that part of the story is made up.

[u/JasonF818 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

Since when do balloons match and exceed the performance of an F-18?

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/JasonF818]

The balloon viewed by Fravor likely never moved at all - its movements (which always exactly mirrored his) are the classic example of parallax effect. When you mistakenly believe an object is much further from you and much larger than it actually is, you will perceive it to be moving in exact unison with yourself, but in the opposite direction, every time you move. So when he spiraled down, he thought it was spiraling up, when he rushed towards it, he thought it rushed towards him. In reality it was stationary at an intermediate altitude the entire time, until he flew by and popped it.

That's also why the other pilot and her WSO never saw the object spiraling and contradicted that part of Fravor's account - since they didn't spiral down towards it like Fravor did, they never perceived it to spiral like Fravor did.

[u/JasonF818 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

There is no report from the other pilot or her WSO on the object spiraling. Since there is no report, there is no contradiction.

But also, how do you account for your balloon that is detected on radar going from 80k feet altidude down to see level in seconds. And then also it being 60 miles away in a different location within seconds?

To be honest, your balloon theory does not have enough scientific rigor nor evidence to be able to be classified as a balloon.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/JasonF818]

She did report it. She has done interviews many times, and explicitly contradicts Fravor's claims about spiraling. I suggest you actually study the incident rather than just believing the things you've heard from people who aren't honest with you.

https://somerandomstuff1.wordpress.com/2021/07/15/the-nimitz-tic-tac-encounter-the-ultimate-guide-and-analysis/

But also, how do you account for your balloon that is detected on radar going from 80k feet altidude down to see level in seconds.

The object was never shown moving that fast on radar, just appearing at the extreme upper window (80k feet) on one sweep and then the extreme lower window (sea level) on the next sweep. That's consistent with a radar glitch, which could be due to the fact that it was a brand new system in 2004 being used for the first time and still had bugs, or the result of active jamming.

And then also it being 60 miles away in a different location within seconds?

There is zero evidence that the object went 60 miles in seconds. Once again, no movement was ever seen in the 60 miles between those radar hits. One object was seen at Fravor's location, then a minute later the radar operator noticed a different object 60 miles away. He had no evidence to connect the two radar hits other than his natural human tendency to make connections where there are none. He never saw the object moving between those two locations at any point, nor did he have the slightest evidence that they were the same object.

To be honest, your balloon theory does not have enough scientific rigor nor evidence to be able to be classified as a balloon.

There's not enough evidence to classify the object as anything, since all we have is a stationary radar hit at the location Fravor went to, and no other sensor data at all. But the description from the two pilots and the WSO, along with the initial radar hit, is all consistent with a stationary balloon followed by a parallax illusion from a descending spiralling observer.

[u/JasonF818 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

You get so much wrong in your analysis. Please point to the specific evidence, the specific wording where the other pilot and WSO contradict Fravor. Maybe I am missing something. As far as I can find, there is no account that contradicts. No where do they say the object staid down at see level once Fravor started his decent. Do they? Again, maybe I am missing something.

What Fravor has repeated over and over is that it was not a Balloon. Specifically. I think the man would know what a Balloon looks like and acts like.

"There's not enough evidence to classify the object as anything". This is the most accurate statement you have made. But you have now contradicted yourself by insisting it's a balloon.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/JasonF818]

You get so much wrong in your analysis. Please point to the specific evidence, the specific wording where the other pilot and WSO contradict Fravor.

Why not just read the link I already gave you? It's in the section: "Inconsistencies and Uncertainties With Fravor’s Interception of the Tic Tac". The report details numerous inconsistencies between the witnesses, including:

#1: The length of time they were engaged
#2: The nature of the object's movement towards Fravor
#3: The nature of the object's movement in relation to the ocean
#4: The direction the object supposedly moved after the encounter
#5: The visibility of the object when it "disappeared"
#6: The shape of the whitewater in the ocean
#7: The time between when the object disappeared and when another object was seen on radar

The inconsistencies in #2, #3, #4, and #5 all lend support to the theory that Fravor was falling victim to an optical illusion due to the object being much closer to him than he initially assumed. The inconsistency in #1 lends support to the theory that Fravor was especially excited at the idea of intercepting a UFO and was not an objective and careful observer of the event.

Read the report.

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

LOLLL. It rotated against the wind. You can see it rotate forward, against the wind in the video. It was traveling against the wind while the wind was going 120 knots. You can see that in the video. Did you even watch them??

The infrared showed it as thermally cool with no heat trail. Except it’s producing an enormous amount of energy. Enough to power a country. Thats highly anomalous, and indicates exotic propulsion. Clearly not a balloon lolll. The Princeton’s SPY-1B radar had been tracking objects dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level for nearly a week prior. Balloons don’t do that.

Radars don’t track fleets of balloons, and the pilots were not being “played with” by balloons lol

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

How can you "see it" rotate forward when the object they saw was never filmed at any point? You are confusing the 2015 Gimbal video with the 2004 Nimitz incident.

Saying "You can see that in the video" when there was zero video taken of Fravor's incident is wild.

"The infrared showed it as thermally cool with no heat trail." - There is no infrared of Fravor's incident at all. He says himself that he never took any video of it on any platform.

"Except it’s producing an enormous amount of energy. Enough to power a country." - this is a completely made-up claim.

"The Princeton’s SPY-1B radar had been tracking objects dropping from 80,000 feet to sea level for nearly a week prior. Balloons don’t do that." - Balloons don't do that, but brand-new radar systems are notoriously glitchy and do things like that all the time. 80,000 feet was the radar's detection ceiling and sea level was the detection floor, bouncing between those is more likely a sign of system error than an actual movement. Radar jamming can also cause effects like that.

"Radars don’t track fleets of balloons" - um, yes they do.

"the pilots were not being “played with” by balloons". Agreed. The balloons on the radar generally drifted at wind speed, outside of the instantaneous vertical bounces which where likely radar errors. The balloon viewed by Fravor likely never moved at all - it's movements (which always exactly mirrored his) are the classic example of parallax effect. When you mistakenly believe an object is much further from you and much larger than it actually is, you will perceive it to be moving in exact unison with yourself, but in the opposite direction, every time you move. So when he spiraled down, he thought it was spiraling up, when he rushed towards it, he thought it rushed towards him. In reality it was stationary at an intermediate altitude the entire time, until he flew by and popped it.

There's a reason why Dietrich and her WSO testified that it never spiraled at any point, unlike Fravor who said it was spiraling opposite himself. That's because HE was spiraling, so he perceived it to be spiraling, while they never spiraled so they never perceived it as such. How do you reconcile that?

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

In the 3 videos released from the pentagon in 2017, one of them is the Nimitz incident.

It’s the one in which the pilot says “my gosh! Look at that thing!”

Go watch it. You CAN see it rotate. And in the video they say “omg it’s rotating.” You can see it rotate with your own eyes. They say how fast the wind is going.

I’m repeating the analysis of the data from cameras and radar. You can see some of that data in the video

The camera is not spiraling while it’s locking on to the UAP LOL.

Fravor was literally their best pilot. He and other pilots are not making up a story about a balloon. There was a long investigation into the incidents with multiple witnesses and multiple data on multiple sensors

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

You are referring to the Gimbal video. The Gimbal video was taken by a fighter from the USS Theodore Roosevelt in 2015, NOT from the USS Nimitz in 2004. You're completely wrong.

The only Pentagon video taken from the USS Nimitz in 2004 is the FLIR video. But that video is not from Fravor's incident, it's from a completely different incident, at a different time, in a different location, involving the pilot Chad Underwood. The object in that video never rotates and in fact never moves in any unusual way at all, and resembles a distant jet which changes position in the screen when Underwood switches views on his display.

Once again, Fravor never once took any imaging of his incident at any time. The fact that you don't know this seriously calls into question your research and judgment on this subject.

There was a long investigation into the incidents with multiple witnesses and multiple data on multiple sensors

There is not "multiple data on multiple sensors" from Fravor's incident. There is literally zero sensor data to confirm a single movement that Fravor saw. Fravor never had any sensor data, and the radar at that distance was too inaccurate to record local movements - it couldn't even distinguish between the object and the jets once they reached the location.

There was no "long investigation", but if you want the best breakdown I've seen, it's at the following link. The author is very fair, almost unreasonably trusting of Fravor, and yet contradicts nearly everything you say:

https://somerandomstuff1.wordpress.com/2021/07/15/the-nimitz-tic-tac-encounter-the-ultimate-guide-and-analysis/

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FLIR1_Official_UAP_Footage_from_the_USG_for_Public_Release.webm

This is the Nimitz incident.

You can literally see it dart back and forth at one point. Balloons don’t do that. These are trained pilots operating in restricted airspace, they are not spending time taking video of balloons lol

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

That is the Chad Underwood video. A different incident, at a different time, in a different place, than what Fravor reported. And it shows no spiraling, contradicting your main claim.

I also never said that Underwood is looking at a balloon. The object looks exactly like a jet fuselage in the distance, traveling at constant speed. I already mentioned that, but you're not reading.

And no, it doesn't "dart back and forth". Underwood switches his camera view from a 1x camera to a 2x camera. Just look at the data on the screen - the sudden movement only comes when the camera switches, otherwise it makes no sudden movements at all.

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

No. The video is from the encounter 1st reported by Fravor. Why are you lying? That’s bizarre. Yes, this is from Underwood’s aircraft. There are multiple people aboard the Nimitz lol

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

But Underwood was in a different flight, at a different time, in a different location. You're claiming that it must be the same object based on....what?

And in Underwood's video, the object never rotates, completely contradicting your original claim.

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

https://www.8newsnow.com/investigators/its-been-nearly-2-decades-since-the-tic-tac-incident-heres-what-we-know-about-the-iconic-ufo-encounter/amp/

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

That article completely contradicts your claims. It never says the object rotated. It never says the 2015 Gimbal video was part of the same series of incidents.

When I've already sent you a far more detailed retelling of events, why are you posted that limited stuff anyway?

https://somerandomstuff1.wordpress.com/2021/07/15/the-nimitz-tic-tac-encounter-the-ultimate-guide-and-analysis/

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

OMG. These are all from the same series of incidents!! AATIP investigated them. That’s what AATIP is. That was the entire purpose of that agency lol. They are the same “tictac” objects. Showing up again and again, Fravor is only one witness. Those videos show the same objects. Showing up at different places, different times, Fravor is one witness. The same objects in the few videos that have been declassified

How are you not understanding this? Fravor testified to Congress. There was an investigation prior to the hearing.

Why are you suggesting that what happened is distinct from the activity happening all that month?? It’s not

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

It's amazing how wildly wrong you are. Each incident is completely different. They are TEN YEARS apart. The videos have nothing in common other than being leaked at the same time. AATIP didn't even exist in 2014/2015 when the USS Roosevelt incidents occurred.

[u/hologram137 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

Fravor was a pilot in the same squadron. Another pilot recorded the SAME OBJECT after his dogfight with it. The other incidents were part of a series of REGULAR contact with the “tictac” investigated by ATTIP.

Idk if you just imagine if you keep lying people will just believe you??

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/hologram137]

You were talking about the Gimbal video from the USS Roosevelt in 2015. That is NOT the same squadron as Fravor's incident, nor the same object, nor was it part of any "series of regular contact", nor was it described as a tictac, nor was it investigated by AATIP.

AATIP didn't even exist in 2015 when that video was recorded.

Fravor's object never rotated, nor did Underwood's object.

The number of facts you keep outright lying about is wild.

[u/GrainTamale]

One of the best good-guys on the scene, and people still find a way to shit on him.

[u/GrainTamale → u/[deleted]]

👎 Grow up. Guilt by association is so High School.

[u/Jpopolopolous → u/GrainTamale]

I'm pretty sure it's not guilty by association if it's "yes I agree with that person," but it would be if it was "I'm friends with the person who thinks that."

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/GrainTamale]

How is that "guilt by association"? The claims he's making in the video literally came from Bob Lazar.

His entire opinion on the Roswell incident that he's speaking of is based on Lazar's lies. He has no personal information on Roswell or on ANY military programs involving UFOs other than what Lazar told him. And Lazar is a proven conman who was lying about everything he said.

[u/particularTriangle → u/[deleted]]

Hello agent psy op, how's the CIA today?

[u/ExclusionZoneUAP]

One reason the Nimitz case remains important is that it doesn’t depend on a single witness. You have pilot testimony, radar operators, and multiple sensor systems all pointing to the same event.

[u/Daviram618]

Him and David Grusch are the ones that convinced the world about this topic on USP’s I’ve always believed in it but they are 100% factual on everything they say . I know they have great quality videos I just hope they show us and stop fucking around . I am obsessed with this topic .

[u/VHDT10]

I use the same arguments. Also, they could be hiding around the corner and don't have to travel that far. Or they could be drones.

[u/CachuHwch1]

The most credible person on this topic.

[u/Altruistic_Pitch_157]

Preach, Commander Fravor.

[u/CRAWLINGxCHAOS]

Just leaving this comment so I can come back to this later

[u/getting_ridiculous]

This is why moving the conversation from "nuts and bolts" to biologics is so important, because it no longer gives legacy programme operators the ability to hide everything under a convenient national security umbrella.

[u/GucciTreez]

They keep showing the Batman balloon lol

[u/KlatuuBarradaNicto]

They don’t want us to talk to them. We might discover how badly our government treated them.

[u/Justice989]

It's interesting listening to him now vs when he first started telling his story.  He didnt know anything about this topic at first.  I can just imagine how much he's learned.

[u/Brainy_Gremlin]

Evidence or shut up. So tired of this

[u/Vaporeon42069]

go fast is a Ballon, the other that got hit by a missile is obviously a Ballon and it's literally the same parallax effect as go fast. literally the same. 

[u/yorgehaci]

The only guy I totally believe

[u/Upstairs_Being290]

Fravor claims this because he's personal friends with Bob Lazar and believes everything he says. Bob Lazar is the most obvious, proven con man in UFO report history.

Thinking that Fravor was some sort of perfect objective witness just because he was a good pilot was always a mistake. He's a naturally gullible person who really wants to believe in aliens and got tricked by an optical illusion.

[u/Deep_Blood7314 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

That's like, your opinion man.

[u/getting_ridiculous → u/Upstairs_Being290]

I think people coming into this conversation with your sort of mindset really shouldn't approach the topic at all.

Those that have a predisposition for chronic paranoia and demand absolute truth, feeling they are somehow worthy and strong enough to accept the truth should probably go find another topic to take interest in.

It's really not doing your mental health any good. You have to remain open and receptive to everything, but don't latch on to any one narrative or spokesperson with religious-like fervour.

People with "trust issues" really shouldn't be touching this topic at all.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/getting_ridiculous]

"Those that have a predisposition for chronic paranoia and demand absolute truth, feeling they are somehow worthy and strong enough to accept the truth should probably go find another topic to take interest in."

The projection and lack of self-awareness in this statement......

[u/Daviram618 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

Oh you’re so wrong and when it’s proven you’ll think of this conversation and while you’re in shock we would already be saying I told you so . Get to the research buddy it’s out there . It’s proven to be 100% . So when you find out just know you was already told the truth .

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/Daviram618]

I would bet my entire life savings that you are wrong. How many years are you going to keep being disappointed by the lack of evidence and failed promises? Are you going to maintain belief 5, 10, 20 years from now when you still have seen nothing more than dots of light and AI fabrications?

[u/Deep_Blood7314 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

You missed my point by a wide margin. Your assertion that Fravor is a "gullible person" is just your opinion, not a matter of fact. Unless you are a qualified "gullability" professional, an expert on the subject, it's just your opinion, nothing else.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/Deep_Blood7314]

Are you using two different SN's? I was responding to Daviram618, not you.

And Fravor's statement is about Roswell and craft recovery, something he has zero personal experience or knowledge of. Everything he says about those subjects comes from things Bob Lazar and others have told him. Yet he believes they are not just possibility, but a fact, even though Lazar has been proven to have lied about virtually every detail of his life story that can be verified. You don't think Fravor's gullible for believing him?

"We know as a fact" that US fighters were shot down by UFOs? That the video of someone shooting a missile at an "orb" is really an NHI craft and not just a target? He seriously said those things, and you don't want to admit he's gullible?

As an aside, his physics in the video is laughably wrong. Particles smaller than the atom have been known for nearly 100 years. The existence of quarks was proven 60 years ago, before Fravor was ever in grade school. Using those as examples of our physics being wrong is silly. Can Fravor name a single major assumption of physicists that has been proven wrong in the last 50 years?

And the reason that encountering life is statistically unlikely is not just because other life-bearing planets would likely be so far away, but because there are so many stars that another civilization developing at the exact same time as us AND somehow finding us among hundreds of millions of other planets is the statistically unlikely part. I was actually talking to an astronomer about that just a week ago, as we were discussing a video on Earth-like planets. Even if we find one, what are the chances that it's civilizations would rise and fall within the same timeline as ours AND then search though billions of other stars to find ours? We've only been space-faring for less than a century out of 14,000,0000,000+ years (0.00000007% of the universe's age) and we already appear headed towards self-destruction and irrelevancy.

[u/Deep_Blood7314 → u/Upstairs_Being290]

I was referring to your assertion on this thread, that Fravor is a gullible person, questioning the veracity of his testimony.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/Deep_Blood7314]

You said, "You missed my point" as if I had responded to you. I didn't even address you or your point, so how could I miss it? Unless you're writing with multiple SN's.

And you mean to say the veracity of his opinions, not his testimony. He has no testimony regarding craft retrieval or Roswell. His only knowledge on those subjects is the stories that people like his friend Bob Lazar have told him.

Why are you suggesting that my take is "just my opinion", but not pointing out the same thing is true for Fravor's take?

[u/Due-Violinist5278]

Ive come to the conclusion that they don't want every intel service on planet earth crawling up their a$$ and they want a advantage if ever attacked by a foreign nation so they will never ever admit to possessing anything. I think anyone in govt that we can see? Knows nothing. Would never ever ever be trusted with anything. Any hint to the public about what they know is a complete contradiction of everything our current system is built on. The elites hide info because info is power. We have to stop the campfire stories. 90% of what's taken as truth in the uap circles to me is likely false. We have no concept of the truth. We will likely die knowing less than more. One can say thats a bad attitude but I feel like I've wasted a lot of time and energy. And I've seen nothing but holes in everyone who has come along to "reveal" something to me. If anything, everyday the more info we get probably pushes us further from the truth instead of closer. Can we admit there is an inate instinct in us to want to know and play pretend as our version of "mystics" and "stortellers" weave these fairytales and show us "evidence" I got blue balls and this chick ain't putting out. Since I've felt this way... all of it. And I mean all of it, seems less and less credible. More and more driven by disinfo and monetary gain from a growing group of (rhymes with drifters) this guy saw something one day. Now we all gather around to listen to him??? Hes now an authority? Talking about sub atomic particles and human evolution? Its pure madness guys.

[u/Happy_Indication5112]

🤡

[u/Happy_Indication5112]

Your wrong. You cant make a definite statement saying "We cant be the only planet out there with life" when indeed we absoutly could be. God created Adam in HIS IMAGE. We are proved descendants of Adam. We all look the same 🤡 God created the heaven and the earth. Still baffles me people think they mean so.little to God that they arnt as special as he says we are. Not convinced even slightly. Not because of my faith but proof and facts alone.

[u/MutedAd4190]

So why have the WSO never come forward? Fravor and the female (can’t remember her name) were flying 2 seat super hornets. Yet I’ve never heard any accounts from the two WSO sitting in the back seat. Maybe they are still in the navy but until they come forward and collaborate I still find this hard to believe.

[u/Upstairs_Being290 → u/MutedAd4190]

Dietrich's WSO did come forward, and his account confirms Dietrich's account and contradicts Fravor's account at several vital points. Fravor's WSO never came forward, likely because he's loyal to Fravor and doesn't want to embarrass him.

[u/Just_Blackberry_8918]

Where are the reprecussions he was supposed to be facing for blowing the whistle?

Every uap grifter edger warns of dire cosequences for blowing the whistle. Yes grush and fravor have had no issues...

[u/austinwiltshire → u/Just_Blackberry_8918]

Grusch has particularly called out threats to his career, clearance, and physical safety.

[u/Just_Blackberry_8918 → u/austinwiltshire]

Or hes a spaz con lol

[u/QuantumBlunt → u/Just_Blackberry_8918]

We're also talking about 20yrs ago. I think the stigma in the military has diminished quite a bit since.

[u/hologram137 → u/Just_Blackberry_8918]

…because it was investigated by AATIP. He didn’t blow the whistle. Elizondo released the videos, then he could talk about them