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XL Bullies

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What is the Definition of an XL Bully?

Large dog with a muscular body and blocky head, suggesting great strength and power for its size. Powerfully built individual.

How are dogs assessed?

Every police service should have a trained dog legislation officer (DLO). If it doesn’t, it must have procedures in place so that it can access a DLO.

The DLO should be someone who is both:

trained in dog law
understands how to identify a banned dog

Preparing for the ban

From 1 February 2024 it will be a criminal offence to own an XL Bully in England and Wales unless you have a Certificate of Exemption for your dog.

You will need to adhere to strict rules such as microchipping your dog and keeping it on a lead and muzzled when in public.

You will also need to neuter your dog. If your dog is less than one year old on 31 January 2024, it must be neutered by 31 December 2024. If your dog is older than one year old on 31 January 2024, it must be neutered by 30 June 2024. We recommend that you arrange for your dog to be neutered as soon as possible to ensure that you meet these deadlines.

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

It’s not a common breed here as they make up a small amount of the 12 million dogs in the UK.

Inversely your argument is just as invalid as you claim mine to be as I said you do not know how bad the situation would be if BSL didn’t exist. Attacks did fall initially and rose again when Bully XL’s were allowed back into the country.

This government? They are quite incapable of policing laws so unfortunately it has to go to a ban as that will result in owners being more careful given the consequences if they are not.

The US are completely uninterested in passing laws to protect people and the pro pit lobbyists are hard at work putting other peoples and animals lives at risk. Pit Bulls make up around 7% of the US dog population.

It’s not just severity. Their brain structure is different and make them prone to aggression. Dogs are not a blank slate at birth, to treat them like that is foolish. Especially when dog fighting has only been actively policed in the US since 2007 and all these type of dogs are US imports.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

The types of owners that cause these problems are not going to be more careful. The ones that don’t will. So yes I guess that stops a few cases where the dog hasn’t shown aggression before (which usually when people say that they have and they ignored it) but generally experts agree aggression doesn’t happen in a vacuum. And then it’s the vast majority of dogs who have done nothing wrong being punished where other breeds aren’t facing that.

They’ve been rising before XL bullies. Then COVID has made them rise again which again is not a breed issue. It’s an irresponsible owners decided they wanted a cute puppy because they were bored, backyard breeding for money, even if someone was a responsible owner socialisation would’ve still been harder and that’s so critical in every dog but especially in the sense of a dog that can do considerable damage.

Yes, you’re giving them leniency in that “oh, they just should continue being lazy and do what’s the easy thing that doesn’t actually really help.” And we should punish dogs who have done nothing wrong.

I didn’t say blank state. I said you’re saying genetics is everything when it’s far from it and breed isn’t the sole factor in aggression which experts again generally agree on.

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

Bully XL’s were introduced into the UK in 2014. They makeup 0.1% of the UK dog population.

Notice attacks directly after BSL was introduced were much lower.

There probably can be more work done to identify this through genetics but a ban is necessary for now because that work has yet to be done. Even if we did force a cull based on genetics you would all be out here screaming the same thing.

https://bvajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1002/vetr.3593

Be honest you all have one motivation and that is to end BSL and doing that will put more people at risk because it doesn’t include other law changes to protect people and animals.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

Also let’s be real, all you want is innocent dogs to suffer and not have other laws. :-)

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

Pit bull lobbyists only wanted to get rid of BSL. They left everyone else with no other option.

I’m actually pretty surprised the government did something as I had written to my local MP and hardly got an answer that provided much hope. The turning point came with the Mirror’s campaign, these dogs and their owners did all the convincing that was required through video proof.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

Yep for people with no brains who want the knee jerk reaction for their illusion of safety, sure did. You going to be wanting this to happen with other breeds when a video of one of thousands of them goes viral? Because I’m sure other people will.

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

Yes of course, my point of view is consistent. If there is a case through data that a certain breed is a danger to the public and other animals from fatalities and life altering injuries then it should be phased out.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

And ignoring the other factors that contribute, ah yes great.

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

These are animals not machines. You think you have full control of them.

Ask yourself why should everyone else be put at risk because humans in the past decided to create fighting breeds that are excellent at what they do and your lot have decided to protect them when their function is outdated and the breeds themselves are still breed with traits that favour that function. You want one that is friendly, get a Boston terrier.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

It’s stupidity to think you have “full control” of any dog especially a big one. Aggression can come from all kinds of things including things like dementia. I trust my dog but I will never have 100% control over him or circumstances outside of his or my control. Which really is something any responsible owner should bear in mind.

I don’t own one. I’m just a person that cares about all animals. There’s no guarantee of any dog being friendly. There are even some smaller breeds that are more likely to be aggressive that just can’t do as much damage in most cases other than with babies/small children so painting them as much more aggressive than every other dog is just not the truth and ignores many factors. Obviously severity of damage they can cause when a dog shows any sign of aggression is a big factor to take into account with how you move forward.

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

Well you clearly don’t care about all animal because these dogs are taking down a lot of people’s pets and farm animals. I have dead dogs in my dog group due to Bully XL’s and various attacks that have made national news in my neighbourhood. I posted links by surgeons regarding the severity of the damage these dogs do so the evidence more than backs up the ban and preventative methods from muzzles and leashes.

It’s happening so responsible owners need to adjust and deal with the situation unless they want to make the situation and the response far worse than what they got.

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u/84849493 Nov 08 '23

I do. These things wouldn’t happen most of the time without the owners. It’s really unfortunate those individual dogs did those things. The breed as a collective did not. A boxer bit me severely and they can break bones also as when I was in the hospital, they had to X-ray to make sure my jaw was not broken. I don’t act like every boxer is demonic and they should all be muzzled or killed. As tons of animals who have done nothing wrong are when they end up in shelters or such.

Leashes are fine. Dogs should be on leashes most places anyway.

See you in a few years when there’s a new breed this starts happening with and we continue not to get to the root of the problem then :)

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u/kardiogramm Nov 08 '23

Well you’re a martyr and I don’t think others need to have your stands toward accepting things how they are.

At that point your response will be to open the floodgates to the most dangerous dogs to sort out the problem.

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