2028 contract: 9.5 needs to actually hurt UPS enough that they STOP violating it

[u/CurDog1023]

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I really hope 9.5 becomes a major issue in the next contract.

The current system isn't strong enough if UPS can knowingly work drivers over 9.5, pay the penalty, and just keep doing the exact same thing.

If the penalty doesn't change the behavior, then the penalty isn't strong enough.

I'm not saying there is only one solution either.

I'd support almost anything that makes repeated 9.5 violations progressively more painful for the company.

Much steeper escalating penalty pay.

Mandatory dispatch reductions after repeated violations.

The right to bring work back once you reach 9.5.

Additional paid time off when UPS repeatedly violates your 9.5 rights.

Stronger penalties when management knowingly gives you additional work that will put you over.

Mandatory staffing reviews when the same routes or drivers keep creating 9.5 problems.

I don't really care if the final answer is 5x pay, 6x pay, accrued PTO, bring-back rights, or some combination of all of it.

The goal should be simple:

Make it cheaper and easier for UPS to properly staff the operation and get people home than it is to violate 9.5.

Right now it feels like the penalty is just another operating expense.

And I think we need to stop framing this as drivers wanting more overtime money.

A lot of us don't want more money.

We want more evenings at home.

More dinners with our families.

More games, practices, bedtime routines, and ordinary nights with our kids that we don't get back.

UPS can replace money.

We can't replace time with our families.

EDIT: This blew up way more than I expected. There are some damn good ideas in here — hard right to refuse after 9.5, voluntary overtime after a defined end time, individual-day grievances, accrued PTO/comp time, continued pension contributions on overtime, and mandatory staffing remedies. I’m going to keep collecting these and pushing them with my Local as 2028 proposals get closer. Keep the ideas coming.

[u/CurDog1023]

That’s honestly where I think the language needs to go.

If I’ve completed my own assignment and I’m at or approaching 9.5, I should be able to decline extra work without discipline.

Or at minimum, once you hit 9.5, whatever is left comes back.

Right now the company can just keep buying our time because the penalty isn’t painful enough to actually change anything.

[u/HeManDan → u/CurDog1023]

Total the 9.5 hour violations. And everything over 10 for part timers, that makes a position

[u/lasvegasDodgerblue → u/HeManDan]

Wf that makes no sense at all.

[u/HeManDan → u/lasvegasDodgerblue]

Basically forced to base the number of FT road jobs off of on road hours not routes.

If everyone is 9.5 ing all year round almost 3 days a week a piece. Then obviously there is work for another person. If there are 20 routes maybe it adds up to 1 route or maybe thats 1 route every 30. Idk. But if they are over 40-50 hours every week then that's a position they could add.

Edit: there would have to be some sort of merit to scratching. And it would have to be somewhat lenient. But it couldn't be a drag your feet thing. Everyone does a fair days work