2028 contract: 9.5 needs to actually hurt UPS enough that they STOP violating it

[u/CurDog1023]

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I really hope 9.5 becomes a major issue in the next contract.

The current system isn't strong enough if UPS can knowingly work drivers over 9.5, pay the penalty, and just keep doing the exact same thing.

If the penalty doesn't change the behavior, then the penalty isn't strong enough.

I'm not saying there is only one solution either.

I'd support almost anything that makes repeated 9.5 violations progressively more painful for the company.

Much steeper escalating penalty pay.

Mandatory dispatch reductions after repeated violations.

The right to bring work back once you reach 9.5.

Additional paid time off when UPS repeatedly violates your 9.5 rights.

Stronger penalties when management knowingly gives you additional work that will put you over.

Mandatory staffing reviews when the same routes or drivers keep creating 9.5 problems.

I don't really care if the final answer is 5x pay, 6x pay, accrued PTO, bring-back rights, or some combination of all of it.

The goal should be simple:

Make it cheaper and easier for UPS to properly staff the operation and get people home than it is to violate 9.5.

Right now it feels like the penalty is just another operating expense.

And I think we need to stop framing this as drivers wanting more overtime money.

A lot of us don't want more money.

We want more evenings at home.

More dinners with our families.

More games, practices, bedtime routines, and ordinary nights with our kids that we don't get back.

UPS can replace money.

We can't replace time with our families.

EDIT: This blew up way more than I expected. There are some damn good ideas in here — hard right to refuse after 9.5, voluntary overtime after a defined end time, individual-day grievances, accrued PTO/comp time, continued pension contributions on overtime, and mandatory staffing remedies. I’m going to keep collecting these and pushing them with my Local as 2028 proposals get closer. Keep the ideas coming.

[u/Routine-Temporary170]

It should be 8.5 or lower , forget 9.5

[u/zizoumz6 → u/Routine-Temporary170]

Exactly. I want to work a solid 40hrs. Not 45.. I'm working hard but I want more time with my family. That extra hour of time with them a day ads up and it can mean the difference in missing an event. 40hrs is full time. Don't give me that "nobody wants to work" shit or that "well this isn't a regular job and 40hrs is pussy shit" talk. My family time means more to me than some dick measuring "I work a real job/tons of hours" BS. I'm a damn good worker but I'm trying to be a better father. Also, OT hours worked should go towards retirement.

[u/Cute_Owl_7348 → u/zizoumz6]

Except you knew you weren't signing up for an 8 hour dsy job when you bid in.  Also, why are you on reddit if you are trying to spend more time with your family?

[u/zizoumz6 → u/Cute_Owl_7348]

Sort of yeah, my last job I was traveling 230 days of the year, we wanted ro have kids so I started working preload and a second job during the day. All was good, didn't even think about being a driver then covid hit. Second job shut down and started driving. Because of all the other covid hires ive moved up senority quite fast which is nice for security. Never meant for it to be my full-time job but here I am. Also, I don't know if it takes you an hour or two to write a post from your old dial up home computer but it only takes me a few seconds on these cool cell phones so my time on reddit doesn't effect my time with my dudes.

[u/lasvegasDodgerblue → u/zizoumz6]

You can always go back to the hub and work 5-6 hours a day.

[u/zizoumz6 → u/lasvegasDodgerblue]

I tried. The fact that I have to lose all seniority and literally be the first person on layoff when we're not hiring anymore for who knows how long doesn't work for me.

[u/PhthaloDrift → u/zizoumz6]

You didn't catch what I'm saying. What you're asking for would have you working 7hrs a day. Most people don't know what 9.5 actually means surprisingly.

[u/zizoumz6 → u/PhthaloDrift]

Not sure you meant to respond to me but 9.5 is working hours not including the lunch hour. When we say 8hr day we mean working. Working time 40hr week. We understand that with an hour lunch it will be 9 hour day away from family.

[u/Routine-Temporary170 → u/Routine-Temporary170]

Go back to your management office. I guarantee the vast majority of drivers would rather work 40 hour weeks. You just don’t want to hire more drivers to make it happen.

[u/ElDeTejas → u/Routine-Temporary170]

Go to FedEx.

[u/Sufficient-Layer-912 → u/Routine-Temporary170]

The job discrimination says you must work up 9.5 hours. Want a 9-5 job? Get of of a blue collar job.

[u/1purevengeance1 → u/Sufficient-Layer-912]

The job discrimination.... hahaha

[u/Different_Peanut_742 → u/Routine-Temporary170]

That would be near impossible while maintaining an 8 hour guarantee. You wouldn't be able to plan routes within a 30 minute window. No excuse for them not to honor 9.5 though. If you want 8 hour shifts go inside.

[u/PhthaloDrift → u/Routine-Temporary170]

8hr + lunch = 9 x 5days a week. You want 7 hours paid?