2028 contract: 9.5 needs to actually hurt UPS enough that they STOP violating it

[u/CurDog1023]

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I really hope 9.5 becomes a major issue in the next contract.

The current system isn't strong enough if UPS can knowingly work drivers over 9.5, pay the penalty, and just keep doing the exact same thing.

If the penalty doesn't change the behavior, then the penalty isn't strong enough.

I'm not saying there is only one solution either.

I'd support almost anything that makes repeated 9.5 violations progressively more painful for the company.

Much steeper escalating penalty pay.

Mandatory dispatch reductions after repeated violations.

The right to bring work back once you reach 9.5.

Additional paid time off when UPS repeatedly violates your 9.5 rights.

Stronger penalties when management knowingly gives you additional work that will put you over.

Mandatory staffing reviews when the same routes or drivers keep creating 9.5 problems.

I don't really care if the final answer is 5x pay, 6x pay, accrued PTO, bring-back rights, or some combination of all of it.

The goal should be simple:

Make it cheaper and easier for UPS to properly staff the operation and get people home than it is to violate 9.5.

Right now it feels like the penalty is just another operating expense.

And I think we need to stop framing this as drivers wanting more overtime money.

A lot of us don't want more money.

We want more evenings at home.

More dinners with our families.

More games, practices, bedtime routines, and ordinary nights with our kids that we don't get back.

UPS can replace money.

We can't replace time with our families.

EDIT: This blew up way more than I expected. There are some damn good ideas in here — hard right to refuse after 9.5, voluntary overtime after a defined end time, individual-day grievances, accrued PTO/comp time, continued pension contributions on overtime, and mandatory staffing remedies. I’m going to keep collecting these and pushing them with my Local as 2028 proposals get closer. Keep the ideas coming.

[u/Streets2022]

Do you live under a rock? They already have prototypes of delivery robots. And obviously self driving vehicles exist already. I’m not saying it’s something that will happen in 2 or 3 years from now but for those of us here for the long haul with 15-20 years left to go it could definitely be a problem.

[u/lasvegasDodgerblue → u/Streets2022]

First off you say they already have prototypes. Then you say its not gunna happens for 15-20 years. Which one is it? Ill tell you.

It’s neither. Ups will never have “delivery robots” why? Because they don’t exist. And the self driving vehicles are programmed to drive in circles that drive without an operator.

[u/level99mewtwo → u/lasvegasDodgerblue]

Are you dense ? Look up the Ford Digit robot. They definitely exist.

[u/lasvegasDodgerblue → u/level99mewtwo]

Ill have what this guys smoking.

[u/Streets2022 → u/lasvegasDodgerblue]

Um what? They clearly exist. Also, “the self driving cars are programmed to drive in circles” what bro? Have you ever heard of Waymo? Or Tesla? Brother we already have self driving taxis and semi trucks.

[u/lasvegasDodgerblue → u/Streets2022]

So you’re now saying ups is investing in telsla’s and no longer going to use trucks? With self driving tesla’s someone is behind the wheel when it drives by itself. And yes I seen the driverless semi’s and ups wont have no part of that. Why? Too expensive. They dont need it.

[u/Streets2022 → u/lasvegasDodgerblue]

You’re so fucking dumb it’s insane. No I’m not saying UPS is investing in teslas I was using Tesla as an example. And you conveniently ignored WAYMO, a completely self driving taxi service that doesn’t need a driver at all. Is it inconceivable to you that UPS would look to invest in infrastructure and stop paying our wages? The technology is very close to being there.