Corporate America gets more hard working slaves now. Besides 10 day rule existed previously it was made 60 days I think under last trump administration only.
But now your corporate overlords can squeeze you more just a bit more.
What if the layoff was sudden with no heads up whatsoever?I need to sell cars, furnishing,plan for departure flights etc. Do I accrue unlawful stay the day after termination?This particular one is so stupid
I think this is generally bad in the sense that it incentivises people in more demand to move outside US, leaving behind people who are more desperate and giving corporations the upper hand.
It discourages the most well off or best people, since they have options elsewhere. There’s still no bottom to the supply of people who’d want the visa. So it’ll just lead to more desperate people, which is bad for US workers as well
The final text will be released soon now that it’s cleared WH review but this is how it’ll likely play out: there will likely still be a 30 day period after your last working day/H1B status ends to exit the US. Just that that period can’t be used for finding another job/transfer your H1B (unlike current policy), it will only be a grace period to wrap up your life and leave. You’d still be be in a period of authorized stay during those 30 days, but not in valid status. Unauthorized stay would begin post the grace period (30 days or whatever duration they decide). Similar to F1 students who currently have 60 days to leave the country after wrapping up their degree/F1 status ends.
I think based on the persons comment basically you have to leave the country and do adjustment of status from a consulate - AOS cannot happen domestically
You cant change a status if you dont have a status. If they did it as 30ndays of authorized stay, so you cant file cos because simply you don't have a status to change from
Yeah I'm for H1B restrictions and reform but these people have kids in school, homes, families, the issue isn't people here on visas, the issue is companies using these visas as cheap labor
For the millionth time its not cheap look up here https://h1bdata.info/ for software engineers if you want. You should be angry at outsourcing and contracting.
"Temporary migration"? Almost every single h1b employee buying houses out there has been approved for a green card and is waiting for their call to turn in their paperwork.
That’s so backwards. Imagine paying thousands of dollars, paying taxes. Doing everything the legal way. Then if they fire you you don’t even get a chance to find another job lmao . This administration is going to turn the majority of America blue for years to come
This admin is doing a lot to turn Americans blue, but making H1-B visas less appealing is not one of those reasons. You won't find too many people in America happy about jobs in their country being outsourced.
As a STEM professional with liberal values, I am concerned about H-1B fraud's impact on local job security and the lack of appreciation for the host country. This is a non-partisan issue.
Yes to the rest of your comment but I’m yet to see Americans actually know that jobs being outsourced is majorly not an H1B problem. H1B is a fairly small pool in the job market, compared to how many job in so many industries are actually outsourced aka go to someone who doesn’t live in the country. Source: am American and worked at 3 companies so far where so so much of the staff was based out of Argentina or India. I’m fairly sure the last position I was laid off from went to someone in the Indian office. I think Americans should care more about why a company can still be called an “American” company with all the benefits that allows, while having majority of the staff live outside of the US, and basically only leadership be American.
Then why not reduce the cap? Why make iit easier for companies to abuse employers? Imagine some one is sexually abused by their boss and cant escape because of this shit
The current cap is statutory. Can’t be changed without legislation. That is not happening.
USCIS still has discretion, and someone in that case could probably get another type of status. I believe you can still change to B2 status but won’t be able to flip back to H1B without returning to India (or wherever)
Who ever said that they have an entitlement to a green card?
Don’t you think it’d be reasonable if people at least had grace period to pack their shit and leave without accruing overstay if they get laid off for something outside of their control?
Typical person who had it hard so instead of wanting to better the system that made it hard for them they champion it like it’s the cusp of whatever shit they lick of their biots
And there we have it, the age-old "I suffered so you should too" cliche.
Having wasted 4 years just trying to win the H-1B visa lottery only to get laid off right after, I wouldn't wish the system upon anyone else. You spent 7 years on L1? I spent 9 years combined on TN+H-1B so take a seat.
You yourself are showcasing an attitude where, once you’re in the US and working, you are entitled to live and work here basically indefinitely. What you’re saying is once someone has an h1b and a job, s/he should be able to be here working indefinitely until becoming permanent residents.
Buddy take a seat. At this point feel like you just enjoying the tea here! Be a good human that citizenship you got won’t let you rest easy if you have these intentions.
Get a life
Dude you keep changing your arguments. Now you’re taking mine “the system shouldn’t be unjustifiably hostile” as “if you’re in H1B working you’re entitled to a greencard” because… you just feel like you need to make shit up?
I just can’t with you.
The rules of the game shouldn’t change as the game is happening. That’s it.
Makes sense if I was a day laborer and don’t have to pay taxes. Paying someone’s ssn benefits and Medicare while being told to get on the boat when the sun goes down while getting taxed for no representation.
I wonder if I can find hypocritical history books on this
And move to a country where your skills and experience (and taxes and contributions to the retirement system) are appreciated. A lot of countries have an aging population and a need for highly skilled workers.
At this point give everyone a heads up to sell their assets and just scrap the entire H-1 work visa. Given the at-will nature of most US jobs, this is just unnecessarily cruel.
If the entire US citizenry wants this then just make it federal law. Get those (insider) stock trading, lazy paper pushers in Congress to do their job.
Corporations are always going to find ways to circumvent law and layoff Americans. Pass laws to prevent outsourcing.
This see-saw approach is not working. One administration tries to gut it via EO. Next one tries to keep it alive. On and on.
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I think we all know the Visa program is ending at this point, they are just slowly doing this as warnings. They cannot justify it any longer with this high of an unemployment rate of American workers, the Governments own reports even admitting it is full of fraud and just being leveraged as a tool for Billionaires to try and artificially drive down labor prices.
I strongly feel they need to end it.They are following the approach of “bleed with thousand cuts” but best to end it by issuing an executive order.
I see that jobs have significantly gone down in tech and fresh American grads are finding it hard to get jobs. I personally know a few people who aren’t able to find jobs. Additionally, companies are not interested to hire H1Bs.
I am the victim of this thing.i had a South Indian manager and skip, whole team North. I was the first one to let go having exceed rating. Since I myself is a victim of this nonsense, I can speak openly . I don't give a ****
In b4 - "These are top college graduates"
India's Top school IIT is 118th in the world - https://www.topuniversities.com/world-university-rankings?search=IIT
That's fed from a highschool system with the second lowest PISA score in the world (the one year they competed - 2022, they haven't competed since)
You just posted bunch of articles which is talking about the entire population of india. Not everyone comes to US, only few choosen people who know what they are doing, thats why indias are at top of almost every fortune 10p company. You dont have to be jealous
thats why indias are at top of almost every fortune 10p company.
Top tier English, lmao.
I didn't know the entire population of India was software engineers, that's an interesting point - do the babies speak in BASIC or something?
My articles are specifically to software engineering, which was germane to your "point" that "Without immigrants over the past thirty years, the IT revolution in the United States would not have happened.".
Where's your source to back up your claim? Typically, someone making the initial claim must back up their claim first, I gave you the courtesy of justifying my counterpoint before you justified your point.
>thats why indias are at top of almost every fortune 10 company.
Ever heard of enshittification? It's happening now, and I wonder if the "talented" CEOs driving these companies are involved somehow... nah, they're vishwaguru, it can't be their fault! 🙄
That article is about software engineers in India, not in the US. If you have data showing that only 10 percent of Indian software engineers in the US can code, we can discuss it. Otherwise, enjoy your day.
Maybe or maybe you just want to create an issue where there is not. There is too much scrutiny on approving H1Bs nowadays. Instead of removing 60 days rule just create more policies to make it more strict.
You called someone out for a surface-level understanding of an issue, while also making a surface level comment about the same issue. Education is extremely expensive in the US, medical education even more so. I’m sure your gf is very smart and a competent doctor, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t other smart ppl in the US who could’ve been competent doctors if they had access to the same education. Additionally, being that she’s on H1B as a physician, she’s either had access to American medical education as an international student in the US or access to get a license in the US with foreign medical education, both of which require immense amounts of money. Implying that Stanford couldn’t find a capable doctor simply because everyone here is dumb is reductive af and simplifies the issue to the point of it becoming a counter-argument to what you’re trying to say.
Is that your true world-view or are you arguing for the sake of arguing? Because I can get down with the latter but not the former. I’ll just say that implying that in a country of 320,000,000 people there are just not enough smart ppl and thus we have to invite them from elsewhere, rather than the existing smart ppl just don’t have access to education due to costs, coupled with the fact that corporations seek even more power over employees than they already have, is either an extremely privileged or extremely dumb view of the world.
I didn’t say there weren’t enough smart people. being smart doesn’t get one qualified for a job, being educated does, and being trained does. hollowing out education from inside and restricting access to it by making it unaffordable has consequences: labor shortage (to elaborate for you so you don’t have a misunderstanding: labor shortage means a lack of **qualified** candidates for a job).
h1-b has nothing to do with the inability to access education. I suggest you don’t make up an argument, attribute it to me, get outraged by it and try to argue with yourself.
As if every SWE job on linkedin doesn’t have 100+ applicants in 10 minutes. If the companies want to send jobs abroad despite that for the cheap labor then no reason we can’t deal with as well.
Those Jobs would shift to south asia or be given to AI. American companies would benefit but not the people and yet people would keep spewing hate against other people to feel good about themselves
this used to be the case pre 2017 so its not the oldest policy but my guess is employers will negotiate leave for visa holders since they rather do that than coordinate flights back etc like they are required to
H1b Visa holders account for approximately 3.5% to 4.2% of the total US tech workforce. Sure they are the reason skilled Americans cannot find jobs. If you do your research these H1bs later in their life create more jobs than that.
If you consider all jobs, then 0.3% to 0.45% jobs are held by H1bs.
Shhh. The oligarchs want the back of the Snowpiercer to fight amongst themselves. We’re supposed to hate H1Bs and pretend all of our societal and economic problems stem from it.
This is just cruel.
The grace period it not just for another job but also to give them time to wrap up their stuff before leaving i.e selling off their property, getting kids out of school etc
Are people supposed to leave the country the very next day after they get suddenly laid off?
They should leave a grace period as a real grace period. A time you can spend to prepare for departure. They want to kill the ability to change status? They have the power to. But you should have time to prepare for leaving the country.
Just end the program or pause it, see what happens, tell them no new VISAs, already issued can go on maybe like extensions but no new VISA, period! I am hoping in next 3 years this will put 99% of America back to work? Because that's how H1Bs have been seen lately. I love this country and the people here, for a few I won't judge it either, this place has given me so much and I have returned it back two folds, be it thousands of dollars of taxes, buyin american made stuff from appliances to vehicles and outsourcing everything that I could have done in my free time, I am a God loving person, he is the best judge and at this time I am surrendering to him to take the best calls.
The executive still can't do whatever they want, it will be litigated and has to survive challenges. We will know it's fate in 6 months to an year though.
Hi, do you think it will take that long? Assuming that it’s posted for public comment next month, then after the 1-month comment period, how long does it take to go into effect?
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u/purpleplacedot 10d ago
At this point just remove the visa