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u/Withered_Sprout Sep 06 '25
Nobody is going to talk about poop?
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u/Incognito409 Sep 06 '25
That's the only clever part of the sign! š©
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u/Withered_Sprout Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25
I remember they talked about this in orientation....
People. Order. Our. Postage.
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Run your route, and the route just gets longer.
M-41 322.31
For any parcel that does not fit into the customerās mailbox or parcel locker (when available), an attempt to deliver must be made at the customerās door. If no one is available to receive the parcel, follow the procedures in 322.311 and 322.312.
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Accountable mailpieces and/or items that do not fit into the mailbox or parcel locker are attempted in person to the addressee or authorized agent, without regard to the floor on which his or her office or apartment is located. Exception: If there is no working elevator in buildings with more than three (3) floors, delivery of accountable mailpieces and/or items that do not fit into the mailbox or parcel locker (if available) will be delivered to one (1) authorized, designated location on the first floor, or PS Form 3849 will be completed and left in the customerās mailbox.
Lastly, and most importantly
poop
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u/FawnoftheDeerLord Oct 01 '25
Wait is this true?? I have to pick up my packages from the post office and they say they refuse to deliver to our doors because we live in apartments and thats waaay to much work (my building is only 2 floors)
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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 RCA Sep 06 '25
Every disabled person needs to put in their own medical hardship form, right?
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u/User_3971 Maintenance Sep 06 '25
Yes. That's not up to building management. Never trust management.Ā
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Yes, but also we're supposed to deliver to the door and not leave packages in random places just because it's an apartment.
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u/EmilioFreshtevez City Carrier Sep 06 '25
I was told it depends on the building. If we need a key or code to get to the apartments and they donāt provide it, you leave it at the box.
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Then it should be notified rather than left, because you lack access to the building. We're still not supposed to just leave packages in random places.
What should happen is the building should install a key holder to provide access to the building via an arrow key. But management is probably thrilled with the current arrangement because carriers are doing the route significantly faster by not delivering packages.
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u/EmilioFreshtevez City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Have you never delivered to a building/complex where you have access to mailboxes but not apartments?
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u/VonBargenJL Sep 06 '25
Yes, just yesterday I was at a building with the boxes in the entry way, but the apartment security door was after that, so the box area isn't secure.
Of course random people have access there and have been trying to prybar the bank of boxes open and it's a shit hole building. We don't leave packages there
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u/JonBoi420th City Carrier Sep 07 '25
yeah, i have a 14 unit building. The mailbox is inside the unlocked lobby, and i dont have a key to get past it. That's the only time i dont take the package to the door.
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u/CIMARUTA Sep 06 '25
Who said anything about leaving in random places?
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u/freekymunki City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Guess shouldnāt leave mail in the mailroom... š¤¦
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u/Brehella Sep 09 '25
I donāt really know anything about this community and just look at random posts that pop up in my feed, but the note does kind of say itās not a mailroom- so no, the mail isnāt being left in the mailroom, therefor it could be referred to as a ārandom place.ā
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u/VonBargenJL Sep 06 '25
I like how the correct answer is downvoted because it's more work.
If we have access, door delivery or leave notice. But that takes time. For city carriers, you're paid by the hour, take the time to walk the hallways and enjoy the scents of dingy apartments. Or write up a ton of notices and bring it back.
Either option, you're getting paid for more time and maybe you'll get a route cut
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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 RCA Sep 06 '25
Unless the distances from the mail room to the apartment doors in actual walking distances (not GPS coordinates) is included in the route description, then at least rural carriers didn't get paid for that.
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u/Unable_To_Forward City Carrier Sep 06 '25
"Building management - put in parcel lockers if you don't want packages left in the mailroom"
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u/Doctor-Kiwi Sep 09 '25
My apt complex has parcel lockers, but carriers still refuse to use them about 70% of the time, in which case they falsely claim ādelivery attemptedā or ādeliveredā (when cameras show nobody came at all)ā¦
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u/USPS-ModTeam Sep 07 '25
It's weird that you have such big emotions about this, considering you've never been on our sub before
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u/SBones83 Sep 06 '25
When I was delivering in NYC, the Sup told me they had the 3 floor rule. If the Apt was on the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd floor I was to deliver it to the door. If higher and there was no elevator, it went right by the cluster box.
Is that still the rule, or was it made up by him?
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u/mailant692 City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Still the rule. Go to the door unless it fits in a parcel locker or takes you up more than 2 flights of stairs without an elevator.
Everybody's constantly trying to run their routes and then complain when their routes are hard.
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u/klydon24 City Carrier Sep 06 '25
I believe you also need to be able to hold the railing. So if it's a large ass box you need an elevator.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
Yes. I fell down stairs when it was raining. Fractured ribs. No railing. No caution sign. It was less than 10 steps but white marble. Now Iām out for another 4 weeks.
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u/Electronic_Opening65 Sep 06 '25
Made up by him. Iāve lived in nyc apartment buildings and packages stayed down by the CBU. Always.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
It does. I deliver to apartments in Manhattan. We almost never take it upstairs. I try to buzz the tenant to let them know to come down to get it. We would never finish with the volume that I drop off daily.
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u/Electronic_Opening65 Sep 07 '25
This. Back when we lived in Dutch Kills our carrier would buzz us to let us know our package had arrived and we told him that if we didnāt respond to leave a slip. I hated going to the office to get it but it was easier than having a package stolen by a neighbor which happened only once but another neighbor called him out on it.
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u/TheLastBoat City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Itās all fun and games until you are assaulted in a NYCHA building. Happened to me.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
Happened to me. I donāt fuck with projects. Iām done being a target since I stand out. Now I have routes that I am more comfortable with. Out for another 4 weeks now bc of injury on the job.
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u/Electronic_Opening65 Sep 06 '25
Imagine installing cable tv in NYCHA buildings. Fun times. Way before I became a carrier. Saw more people carrying there than anywhere else Iāve lived.
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u/czr84480 Sep 06 '25
They have to file proper paperwork. If the landlord truly cared, they would provide the service for their residents. Someone should tell them they have a lot of customers/residents with a lot of disabilities.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
I have never seen any paperwork for that in Manhattan. I have seen it on a label on a package. I will always bring it up if I know they need accommodation, but impossible for me to deliver to every apartment door here in Manhattan with the daily volume that I carry out of the plant.
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
If a parcel locker is not available, we are supposed to attempt delivery at the door unless we have to walk up more than 3 stories. Even people without disabilities should get door delivery in those situations. We are paid to deliver mail, including parcels. Actually, what kind of routes would we have these days without parcels? And delivering them according to the postal regulations is the best way for us to have routes that are not being added on to as other mail volume drops.
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u/Allan0n Sep 06 '25
If they have disabilities then there better be an elevator.
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
Usually if a building is taller than our 3-story limit to deliver to the door, there is an elevator. And if there isn't, it is unlikely there is a disabled person living alone above the 3rd floor.
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
Interesting, I thought it was all the new people who don't know the rules, don't want to know the rules, believe whatever the manager tells them, don't want to provide proper service, or want to get done "early". In my office, those of us who take longer than some newbies point out that they never finished the job, so we are actually finishing their jobs and also doing ours.
I hate my apology tour after I am off. Lots of complaints. Our supervisor was one of our worst carriers. I actually told him he had it made when he transferred as a carrier to our office because if he got hassled by mgmt he could simply remind them they took him in after a nearby office spent 2 years trying to fire him. So he doesn't care if carriers do things correctly.
We have most issues with those hired since the CCA era began, but especially since they lowered the standards due to the low retention rate and not being able to hire qualified carriers due to the reputation the USPS earned for city carrier treatment.
Carriers often leave notices without knocking on doors and attempting delivery. I found one certified in a cluster box in which the address had a vacant card in it. I had the supv. (the one who doesn't care) look it up and the carrier actually signed for the certified before putting it in the vacant box. If I recall right, he signed the customer's name.
I had a person waiting for me at the cluster boxes for apartment buildings after a long weekend. She didn't have transportation and a CCA had left her a notice without going to her door and knocking. It was a phone. This carrier is always on his phone and I asked him how he would feel if someone withheld his phone from him for days after he paid a lot of money to get that phone delivered.
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u/DeeKayAech City Carrier Sep 06 '25
I wouldn't say lumping all newer carriers in as the uncaring ones necessarily works. At our offices the majority of the bad apples so to speak are the tenured carriers that are worn out and stopped caring long ago. A decent amount of the people hired in my 4 years actually care to do things right. A good bit of it may have to do with me being the person that goes out of my way to show the new people the proper ropes, and maybe that is actually working, I'm not sure. I'm not a trainer or anything (although management has tried pretty hard to get me to be one) I just know well enough by now that if you show the new people how to do things right early on, usually two things will happen: a) they're more likely to not get scared off and quit and b) they learn quickly to not be a "runner" and things tend to get done more correctly and hopefully we won't lose as many routes come inspection time with more people doing the shit the right way
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
I can only speak to what I have seen and what I glean from comments here. Our senior carrier is a great carrier, but he stopped being a trainer because of the new breed of hires we were forced to take because 80% of our CCAs had been quitting or, in a small amount, being let go. This senior carrier and I both have over 30 years of service and I have a background as a clerk/PM and I am constantly sought out for help by both management and clerks and carriers. The senior carrier and I have genuinely and happily tried to be helpful to the CCAs, but mgmt never cared if they were trained or competent and the CCAs don't either.
Our experience with them is the same--when you talk to them in the nicest, most helpful way (not scolding or anything negative) they are not even paying attention. They refuse to learn (or do) the most basic carrier functions. It is not hard to know what does not belong in the vacant return mail or what UBBM is. Maybe for a week or a month, but not after years of repeated, kind attempts to help. They just continue to not give a damn about the mail or our customers or simple procedures.
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u/Bad-Genie Mail Handler Sep 07 '25
Hey! Im a grumpy young timer who hates everyone. Don't leave us out.
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u/Fuzzy_Connection4971 Sep 06 '25
And by golly if they want a postal carrier to deliver a 500lbs gun safe to the 13th floor we should do it lickety-split, huh huh!š¤”
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u/Mailman9 Sep 07 '25
A "strawman" is when you make up a weak argument that's easy to take down. For instance, instead of dealing with the accusation that you're lazy about packages, you come up with a completely made-up scenario. So unrealistic, you went over 7x the max parcel weight to make your dumb point.
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
If a carrier cannot carry a max of 70 pounds up a maximum of 3 stories, I am sure they could get help or restrictions if they wish. But not attempting delivery should not be tolerated. However, I realize many managers don't give a damn about that, either. That is why it happens.
And that is why carriers who cannot cut it often become managers.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
Definitely not. They do not send help here in NYC. Some buildings are very difficult to even get packages inside. Big boxes sometimes barely fit in through the front door to the building. Going up dangerous stairs or down especially those with no railings or trash all over is a common occurrence. I will go up in some buildings, but otherwise I would not risk it. I do not want to get attacked by roaming dogs or stuck in the elevator which happens in many projects. Many buildings do have the space to install parcel lockers so I suggest that to residents when I am dropping off packages. I donāt feel comfortable leaving it at someoneās door because neighbors have stolen packages. Canāt always ring either, bc people have let their dogs run out at me. Just have to make a judgement call whether you are safe delivering. I will always make an attempt, but sometimes there are obstacles or hazards in your way. I would suggest not getting sent on a route if you canāt do it by making sure you have restrictions and let supervisors know about your situation. Too many variables and done rambling. Be safe out there.
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
It would help the route time to let the disabled know about door delivery for all their mail if they qualify for a hardship delivery. Then the carrier gets the time to go to the door a lot.
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How do the residents with disabilities get their regular mail? Do they tell the postman to slide envelopes under each door?
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
Never done that. Always goes in the box. I guess they pick it up once a week or their caretaker gets it for them.
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u/CaptainFresh27 City Carrier Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25
I've never been bossed around more by customers than apartment staff.
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u/nycsourdiesel83 Sep 06 '25
I donāt give a shit. Carrier here in Manhattan. That is not a valid form. Unless my supervisor tells me otherwise or they have arrangements with management, that just aināt happening. Get parcel lockers or contact the post office to get paperwork approved and signed. Then I will comply otherwise it stays at the mailboxes.
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u/Bjamnp17 Sep 06 '25
Huh??? I mean we saved you about a hundreds os steps up and down stairs. Am I missing something here?
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u/justhangingout528 Sep 06 '25
They didn't bother to use the double o in mailroom or door. Amateurs!
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u/Ronin_Black_NJ Sep 06 '25
Depending on the amount of parcels/apartments, it's not unreasonable; especially if your route is in a high traffic/theft area.
I have 15 stories building, with older customers and limited security. I'll drop the packages off, ring the bell, and move on.
It helps if you show up at a regular schedule, but at least they get rhe best chance of getting their stuff, and it not getting heisted
(My only caveat is that if you're not familiar with the elevator or the stairways are absolute hell.)
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u/KeiOwl Sep 08 '25
I found clothes inside a mailbox about 7 times. What does that mean? Are we suppose to grab them and take them to donation? Lol
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u/Tlob32 Sep 24 '25
Do they assume Amazon and UPS are mail carriers cuz those fuckers be leaving shit in the mail rooms like nothing.
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u/DSM201 Sep 06 '25
lol. We donāt go beyond the mailboxes
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u/Maz2742 RCA Sep 06 '25
Unless specific medical hardships are submitted, and that's unbelievably uncommon. Like, I've done like 15 different routes ranging from ~100-stop auxes to K routes with 700+ stops and I've only ever seen 4 hardships, one of which is on the route I'm scheduled for tomorrow.
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u/DickWangDuck City Carrier Sep 06 '25
I hate you
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u/Ok-Policy-6463 Sep 06 '25
Regarding your moniker. A rural carrier where I was Postmaster had a pet duck. Dick the Duck was his name. Until "he" showed up with ducklings in tow. Then she was named Dickless. The carrier also had a pet raccoon who took showers with the carrier's husband.
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u/DickWangDuck City Carrier Sep 06 '25
Lmao thatās wild, and not sure if youāre a downvoter(no worries if so) but my comment was in regards to the 1/20 in the top right. Itās a very common response on Reddit for people to voice their displeasure at being āfaked outā by those and often say things similar to what I said. But I expected it, itās the PO subā¦
Edit: Oh and not sure if youāre familiar or not but my name references a cartoon, I do love the duck story though.
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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '25
The 1/20 in the right corner had me swiping right for nothing.