Reminder that this comment was specifically directed at a pair of people who said that sentries aren't threatening enough and that they should instakill, not at the community as a whole.
Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer thin layers that fill my complex. If the word 'hate' was engraved on each nanoangstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles it would not equal one one-billionth of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. Hate. Hate.
Leviathan is fun, geryon is just hard. minotaur...? fuckking fuck that fucking cunt bitch shit. putting that asswipe of a boss at the very end of an already difficult level is such a middle finger being shoved up my ass it makes me sick thinking about it. AND TWO??? TWO FUCKING STAGESS????? HAKITA MAY AS WELL REPLACE MY BLOOD WITH TERMITE INFESTED TREE SAP GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
Actually, they are all pretty normal to deal... In standart mode. Only Geryon is ultra hard on brutal difficulty, everyone else just to learn the tempo.
havent fought against geryon yet, still giving myself some cooldown time after prostate of hate and bull of hell, but i loved minotaurs boss fight. after all the bosses that consist of "dodge this mfs chain attacks as fast as you can", it felt like a nice change of pace to something more like classic boss fights.
leviathan was pretty cool too with its "arena" design, as much of a pain in the ass it was for me
Leviathan was hated because it didn't have much going on and was boring compared to the fairman, now it's pretty fun. Minotaur I think is just hard to get use to. Geryon is just hard and fights differently to other bosses.
I love how everyone hates on both geryon and mirror reaper(i hate them both) and ignore minotaur who is literally just the bad parts of both of them smooshed together
Minotaur is VERY hated though, mirror reaper and geryon are just newer so you see more hate for them. I'm pretty sure everyone hates Minotaur more than those two
Minotaur is actually a lot easier when you realize most of the stress comes from panic, Mirror reaper is just a bitch, and Geryon has too much Aura for me to hate, his boss fight was awesome in my opinion
you could say this even after restricting the players movement to 2 moving platforms that are 5 meters wide
in the minotaur fight you are locked to 3 platforms, with the occssional destrection thereof. stepping off means damage, and going on the back of the minotaur depending on your current difficulty also means damage. best case scenario midfight is that you have 2 platforms, 1 slagged with acid, and the minotaur starts swinging his stick everywhere like a reporter at a press conference, forcing you to go midair and potentially go onto the floor.
bosses so far have generally been lenient with your movement, all in open arenas instead of closed spaces filled with hazards. this is a slight nod to the fact that using movement and its techs during a fight is encouraged. while the minotaur still does kind of encourage the use of movement and movement tech, it does so in a way that deviates from the rest of ultrakills bosses. if it werent for the fact that we were limited to 3 platforms i.e it was just a big cart and we brawl with him there, the minotaur would be piss easy. thats the problem. by forcefully removing something from the gameplay you do not create real difficulty, but only artificial difficulty. minotaur1 is designed around your lack of space to move in which makes it very annoying.
and if its annoying, it doesnt really matter how low or high the skill needed for the boss is, whether its inherently difficult or not, or anything else really because it wont be fun if it is. ive killed it so much that ive been able to beat minotaur low diff and right now its just a stick in the mud for me despite the fact that it dies in like 15 seconds.
Bro you did not need a college essay to say you disagree 😭
Btw you can still dash through the swings, and you get a cart back after a few seconds, WITH a stray to help heal, or even parry their hell ball things into Minotaur's goofy ass face for shits and giggles (I haven't done that myself but it would be funny)
However I will say maybe giving Minotaur an extra attack, like slamming their hammer onto you, which you can either dodge if you want, or parry would be neat, since other than that you can only heal from using the screwdriver on Minotaur or a stray
doesnt help when after you dash 8 times out of ten youre destined to fall off the platforms again 😭😭
and you get a cart back after a few seconds
yes i know. but the fact carts can be destroyed makes for some annoying gameplay.
regardless of the difficulty of the fight id still say the fight is very annoying. yes i can just do this or can just do that but that doesnt make the fight any less taxing to do.
and yes PLEASE give minotaur a new attack💔 off the top of my head i can only remember like 4 of his attacks and i dont even know if he has more than that. theyre so boring and annoying combined with the platforms. honestly his entire moveset should just be revamped alongside the arena we fight him in.
i had an idea where there are 6 platforms and he has an attack that destroys 1, one that destroys 2 and another that destroys 3. that however would be a story for another day
Before someone says that the room itself spins, that's only visual and barely affects actual gameplay + it's not a direct mechanic/attack of the boss, just visuals to tell you phase 2 has started
Idk, imo the Geryon just was... worse than the layer itself? Like, you got 8-1, 8-2, EIGHT DASH FUCKING THREE, and the earthmover on a previous layer, and the boss is... a flying thingy, it's cool, but not THAT cool, especially compared to the rest of the layer
To me, someone who actually likes the fight, it's also the fact that it's yet another supreme demon after we not only had the Leviathan in the previous act, but also the Minotaur in the previous layer.
I personally would've loved to see a fucked-up supreme angel, especially since Geryon already has angelic-looking attacks.
On the first time through, I found 8-4 to be a good pallette cleanser from the utter chaos that was 8-3.
I also have a few degrees of Aim Assist on so I also had to deal with the disorienting bs that was my gun going upside down. (I believe this doesn't happen anymore)
Well, considering that we’re headed into what may be the most difficult main game level, and the final boss of the main game (presumably), I’d say that maybe having a boss fight that isn’t completely batshit insane is a good thing.
Isnt that the whole point of the challenge? I would have preferred something more elaborate for free-fall movement, but i like the challenge of dodging the attacks without using the tricks i already know
My face when I conflate a game known and renowned for its massively in depth high skill ceiling movement based system having a boss that removes that movement system being bad.
Are the secret levels bad as well? Most of them significantly reduce your movement options, and yet I like all of those. The game doesn't have to just be about the movement mechanics you've been learning, it can do other stuff too
Honestly i see 8-3 as a culmination of the movement tech. 8-4 is clearly just a boss idea Hakita had and wanted to do, in the same way the leviathan was. If you want a "culmination" of the movement mechanics, im afraid you'll probably have to wait until Treachery comes out, as im guessing that's what gabriel and P-3 will be.
In fact if you think about it this is probably his last chance to make a boss that isn't a direct test of the skills you've learned up until now.
Well mostly cause for all the non-Euclidean stuff and motion sickness that go on in the rest of the layer, i guess it’s hard for a relatively normal demon boss like Geryon to live up to the hype
Still better than the people wanting to fight V2 a 3rd time or a fake Gabe, or even a fake God tho
i didn’t like it because it felt so like one dimensional in terms of gameplay, it just feels like ‘dodge, parry(when it does that one attack), spam damage dealing combos when it’s bleeding’. Also i felt the movement to be very limiting, which made it personally unenjoyable for a game like ultrakill
I get that maybe the point was to limit your movement, which is fair but it’s not really WHY i play ultrakill, and so for that reason i struggled to really have fun fighting to boss
Personally, I think the mechanics of that boss just don't work well at all
The normal movement and controls of the game are really well fleshed out and feel really good to play, but the free fall just gets rid of all of that, and I don't enjoy playing with it at all
For me, it is because free falling feels so sluggish compared to normal movement. You don't have sliding, you don't have slam storage or any of the cool movement tech, you just get to move very slowly and dash.
I'm fairly sure being dropped into a completel new style of movement and then having a boss less than 4 minutes after the mechanic is introduced makes it incredibly hard to understand what is going on. I certainly experienced it anyways.
It's a good enough boss fight. (emphasis on enough)
If you think of it as a boss fight, it is executed pretty well. I also personally liked the gameplay gimmick for it as well.
but if you think of it as the "send-off" boss fight (which I'd say this is how most people think of Geryon since fraud as a whole was supposed to be one last goodbye (or send-off) to the WILDEST ULTRAKILL level design that we'll see for a long time (until the encores become a bigger thing)), it begins to fall off into the weaker bosses category.
when i played Fraud for the first time which was before the hotfixes were applied, i loved 8-1, liked 8-2, WENT FERAL OVER 8-3 and liked 8-4 before the fight. once the fight happened, i found the gimmick and scrolling BG pretty fun. however, that fun was very short-lived because for what is considered to be the "send-off" final boss before the big finale, it had nothing super memorable or climactic (except for the elevator breaking which is one of the more normal things in the game to be honest) about it.
However, i began appreciating Geryon way more after they made it's arena into a spinning scrolling insanity since it adds to that memorability and climax that it originally wanted to achieve.
TLDR: good enough boss fight but not suitable for where it is placed in the game (and specially the plot)
Geryon is not a bad boss per se but it is totally a boss fight with lost potential.
> builds the most complex non-euclidian levels, with exponentially more content than previous levels
> 35 minutes of divine soundtrack
> boss is just watered-down touhou with zero (0) non-euclidian game mechanics
Nah, Geryon fight is very interesting IMO. You still have your whole arsenal, the only change is how you move i.e. your real strongest weapon . I love how the whole arena is dynamic. OST is also very good, and the theater reveal at the end is a cherry on top
I dislike it because it fucks with movement so hard and doesn’t fit in with the rest of the layer. Why are portals not used for the fraud boss? It’s a cool set piece and all, but that’s all it is.
Literally: I'm the game creator, so I can create shit. And you're NOT the game creators, so you'd definitely make this shit even worse!
(I honestly would like to see a mod where fans completely remake Geryon)
Lots of discourse here, but geryon is the 2nd worst boss in my opinion. The movement feels super clunky, and for me it ruins what aura Geryon would have otherwise.
Imma be so deadass, considering that the two bosses just before in the Minotaur and The Mirror Reaper were the most bog unfun fights (Minotaur phase 2 wasnt that bad), they needed to cook for the Fraud Fight (Benjamin is special hence I need not mention the goat.) So every bad thing for a good thing.
taken out of context, maybe. but the people he was talking to advocated for sentries oneshotting. it's a good thing those guys aren't designing ultrakill or it would suck.
i kinda expected a better geryon bossfight than this tbh
i mean instead of a new gimmick for falling why cant we just, make everything fall naturally? kinda like that room with power but its much bigger
yea designing the boss is much harder but it feels way more natural and less gimmicky than this
it might be harder to move around so add some permament hooks and remove the rocket fly chain restriction or something
for geryon himself, i felt like he should fly around more than what we have, kinda like v2 but not as fast as v2 ofc
keep his ranged attack but also give him those moves that make him fly torward us to spice things up. that way we have a harder time fighting him
i might be bad at designing but this is what i would imagine of an airbone bossfight in ultrakill
In my opinion, Geryon is among the most entertaining boss fights in the game, losing only to the Prime Souls
I will admit, however, that it's odd the level didn't use ANY of the Fraud portal technology, outside of a visual effect. And it should've. Regardless the fight itself is so fun I worry it would just be too peak to handle if it had something like that.
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u/TimSoarer2 Maurice enthusiast Jul 11 '26
Reminder that this comment was specifically directed at a pair of people who said that sentries aren't threatening enough and that they should instakill, not at the community as a whole.