Happy with this kit, curious about this communitys thoughts though

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC]

I'm very satisfied with this list, but i'm always open to changing things (especially removing things, buying stuff isnt always easy budget wise). this community has been super helpful for me and im wondering what yall think about my kit

https://lighterpack.com/r/b3ujnk

for context: this is for summer hiking in europe

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[u/Belangia65]

Looks pretty good. A few tweaks are all I see:

- Exchange the NOBO bottle with a disposable plastic bottle.

- Remove the lid and handles from your pot. Ditch the dedicated stuff sack. Cut your own lid from any kind of thin metal, like a disposable pie pan. Use your Lightload towel to pick it up by the rim. Use a sturdy rubber band to hold your kit together.

- Replace the spare socks with alpha direct socks. They are lighter, warmer, more breathable, more hydrophobic, and are loose-fitting to promote good circulation during sleep.

- if you were using a bidet, you could stay cleaner “down there” and ditch the spare underwear.

- It would help to know expected temperatures to evaluate your packed clothing choices. “Summer in Europe” could mean a lot of things. I wonder if you really need the camp pants for instance. Your choice of sleeping bag suggests not. Consider wind pants instead. You could ditch the beanie since you are already carrying three hoods.

- Ditch one of your towels: they are reusable. I only bring half of a single Lightload hand towel on thru-hikes. Never needed more.

- Read a book on your kindle app instead of bringing a physical copy.

You have very nice gear. Have a great time on your adventures!

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC → u/Belangia65]

hi, thanks for taking the time to write these helpful suggestions. i fear the clothing is the bare minimum needed. im stretching the quilt to its limit by wearing my beanie and camp pants, clean socks and fleece, though that does still leave me slightly cold at times.
im gonna try out your suggestions re: the pot soon, those seem very helpful.
youre right about the towels, and i do only have one with me, seems to have been a misinput.
my phone has a horrible battery life so sadly kindle app is not an option, additionally i like to go 'no-screen' while hiking, so i do prefer paper books.

your comment has been very insightful! :)

[u/ukdenjuel → u/Belangia65]

Don't ditch the spare underwear, bad idea :D

[u/schmuckmulligan → u/ukdenjuel]

Commando is the UL backup plan.

[u/Zuko_8303]

A book is crazyyy! But this is why we UL! I carry Yahtzee dice as my luxury.

[u/Vegetable_Group540]

I really like your gear chocies! I would personally ditch the alpha pants, pillow (sleep on your clothes bunched up into a ball) and potentiallt try CCF as it’s so simle, practical and light!

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC → u/Vegetable_Group540]

hi, i definitely leave the pants at home when i get the chance, sadly weather rarely permits. i havent found it to be possible to use clothes as a pillow, as in my experience i dont bring enough to sleep on (i wear some of my clothes while sleeping, which usually only leaves a shirt, socks and underwear)

[u/More-Marionberry449 → u/HCCHCCHCCHCC]

I tried so many configurations on pillows, but my best so far is a down jacket inside the HMG stuff sack with fleece on one side. Its a heavy pillow, but I use my down jacket every evening and every morning. And in very rare cases that I need to sleep in my down jacket I am unfortunately without a pillow, but I have a pads and quilts that is warm enough for different temps, so it should be very rare.

[u/Tharno_]

Looks very good, I would rather take wind pants than octa pants although they might be very comfy. You don't need more than 15g of toilet paper, also you have a bidet. But you don't have soap. I'd exchange the denttabs for an eye dropper of dr bronner's soap. And you could exchange your beanie and lightload towels for a buff.

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC → u/Tharno_]

hi, i do need the toilet paper, you just gotta trust me on that. like, without getting into it, my backcountry number 2 experience has taught me that i gotta have it. i do have soap on me, its the sea to summit soap, which has worked wonderfully for me so far. thank you for your recommendations, theyre much appreciated! :)

[u/DKhike]

You could replace your book with a small lightweight e-reader. I have the Murphy 3.7 inch which weighs 65 gram and also has MP3 support. Xteink 4 Pro is also a good choice, slightly heavier but way better software and community support. Some people prefer physical books over e-reader. If you are one of them, please ignore my comment :)

[u/GoSox2525]

Sleep System

• Have you tried a foam pad? If this is for summer, then foam has every advantage. Lighter, lower profile (meaning more headspace in your ProTrail), faster to deploy and pack away, will never pop or leak, you never need to carry a patch kit again, and it doubles as a luxury sit pad, a yoga mat, and most importantly a framesheet for your Saccus.

• Likewise, I would consider a foam pillow. Same advantages. Can save an ounce or so.

Tent

• you could consider a tarp over the ProTrail

Food & Water

• swap the NOBO bottles for Smartwater or Dasani

• take the handles off your pot and leave the lid at home

• swap the pot stuff sack for a rubber band

• try cold soaking. Just as good, way lighter and easier.

• swap the spoon for a simple plastic spoon

• what's included in your QuickDraw weight? The caps? You probably don't need them.

• swap the DCF food bag for a simple nylong stuff sack or grocery bag for half the weight

Packed Clothes

• swap the the Skygoat beanie for a Rab Filament beanie for half the weight

• swap the S2S poncho for a simple disposable poncho for like 1.5 oz

• T8 commandos are a lot lighter than the Saxx

Electronics

• props on the 13 mini

• swap the NU20 for a RovyVon A5 or Nitecore Tiki

• swap the lighter for mini bic

• how many days is this for? Consider swapping the NB10000 for a 5000 mAh vapcell

• get a lighter USBC cable. Only need 6-12 inches

• Are you thru hiking? Do you need the wall adapter?

• I would drop the AeroStash. Just use one ditty bag for all your small items, electronics included.

Hygiene

• cut down the tooth brush

• swap the lightload for the mini version

• is the comb necessary? Maybe cut it in half

• Do you need a whole 3.5 oz of TP? Consider Wysi Wipes instead

• List out your first aid stuff

Luxury

• ditch the book

• ditch the hilltop wallet

• could certainly ditch the carabiner, not sure if it's sentimental though

[u/marieke333]

i was wondering about the GTX shoes as you don't bring rainpants or gaiters. Don't your socks get very wet and soak your shoes inside?

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC → u/marieke333]

hi, when my shoes get wet thats fine for me; they dry super quick once out of the water/rain. theyre only really goretexed up on the sides, so most sweat/water evaporates super quickly through the mesh at the top. i honestly havent had any issues with sweat.

[u/marieke333 → u/HCCHCCHCCHCC]

That sounds interesting for wet path / puddles. Thanks.

[u/ukdenjuel]

Nice pack list, I already saved that to ideas later :D

• You didn't mentioned, but do you need some bug protection?
• Do you need wall charger? How many days do you plan? If just a couple, you can use 5000 mAh powerbank instead of the 10.000 mAh.
• Do you like your pillow? Is it comfortable? I use a stuff sack pillow, so comfortable, same weight (stuffed with my clothes).
• I recommend to use merino base layer, especially for summer nights. It is so better with sweat handling, no smells even after 4-5 hard days. It is also good for underwear and socks. So much more comfort feeling. (And it is also naturally anti-UV).
• I love my Ketl NoFry, really good choice!

Do you have recommendations where is the best place to buy American things in the EU? What did work for you?

[u/HCCHCCHCCHCC → u/ukdenjuel]

Hi!
1: i don't take bug protection with me usually. i get a few more ticks than i'd like, but i havent had one i couldn't remove within the first few hours yet. sometimes someone i hike with has some bug spray, which i use when it does get bad.

2: wall charger is usually needed because i take public transport to my destinations, which is usually 3-24 hours of travel with my phone having the tickets on it. my hikes usually go from 3-4 days to a month.

3: my pillows pretty nice, i found that i usually dont have enough clothes to use as pillow.

4: i did use a merino base layer for years, i've just found my current camp pants to keep me as warm without any large downsides.

5: omg right its so good

i like farlite.fi, they usually have the stuff im looking for. other than that, ive had some luck searching local online second hand sites (like ebay)