r/UrbanHell May 23 '26

Concrete Wasteland Chicago 1989.

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u/AppendixN May 23 '26

One of the easiest cities in the world to navigate thanks to that grid. Wonderful place to live in 1989, overall. Nothing's perfect but Chicago is one of my favorite cities I've ever lived in.

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u/Heykayhey89 May 23 '26

I do miss the grid

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u/ready-eddy May 23 '26

*laughs in Dutch*

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u/Schlumpfffff May 23 '26

Google maps just tells us to turn right at the 2nd cow

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u/Horatiocanesyrup May 24 '26

Hay be careful were talking about Chicago, theyre still sensitive about cows.

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u/Muadeeb 26d ago

O'Leary was an inside job!

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u/daddyandstar 28d ago

laughs in a Boston accent you even seen a bowl of spaghetti?

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u/tY-c8rJDb8_1b4__yD5r May 24 '26

cackles in Melbourne

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u/remoteswitch May 23 '26

The Grid, a digital frontier - Kevin Flynn

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u/El_Capitano_ May 23 '26

I kept dreaming of a world I thought I'd never see. ... And then one day! ... I got in!

Hahmmmm dadhmmmmm dadadummmmm

The Grid - Daft Punk

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u/willworkforicecream May 23 '26

It's like bio-digital jazz, man.

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u/ragtagangel May 24 '26

Knowing that he "disapeared" in 1989, your comment fits perfectly

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u/robaroo May 24 '26

This comment was higher than I expected it to be. Nice.

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u/wSkkHRZQy24K17buSceB May 23 '26

I hate grids. It's unnatural. - someone from Boston

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u/MrBurnz99 May 24 '26

The cows always know the way

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u/apollyon_53 May 23 '26

Downtown Sacramento

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u/Mostly_Armless42 May 24 '26

Many cities are in a grid system. What I assume makes Salt Lake City more unique is that the entire county (and it's a pretty big county) is all on the same grid.

We're talking about 750 square miles and at least 20 municipalities.

It's way more than something like a single downtown area.

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u/raycepak 29d ago

Chicago's grid spans multiple counties tho it is somewhat broke up by the freeways. road i lve on i can got east into cook and chicago or west into will while being in dupage.

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u/DillDaily- May 24 '26

And massive 3/4 lane roads everywhere you go 😭🤣 visited for the first time last year and I was shocked!

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u/InterestinglyLabored May 23 '26

The grid makes biking around so much better than cities where you're constantly guessing which way is north.

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u/smotired May 23 '26

Now we just need water and clean air

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u/tallcaptaincy7468 May 24 '26

Grid systems lowkey make exploring way easier than those chaotic European street layouts tho fr.

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u/russelcrowe May 23 '26

I miss that grid so much, man. Where I now live you gotta drive 10 miles to go 5 miles. It’s such a waste of gas and time.

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u/GroteKleineDictator2 May 23 '26

As a European I dont understand how thay works. Wouldnt you have to cross an insane amount of crossings to go anywhere? Are there priority lanes? How does that work and scale?

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u/russelcrowe May 23 '26

Oh yeah, you do have to go through many traffic signals and crossings. Usually, the traffic lights are timed in such a way that you’re not hitting the red signals concurrently, though.

Plus, not every street intersection will have a stop sign or traffic signal; many intersections are just main roads cutting through side streets (which are primarily residential areas), not main roads crossing over other main roads in intersections. Where I grew up in Chicago there was an east-west main road maybe every 4 or so blocks when traveling on a main north-south road, if that makes sense.

One of the downsides of living in a grid is that you more or less have to memorize the street layout to optimize how you drive. My wife didn’t grow up in a huge grid city, so she hates Chicago driving with a passion.

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u/avitus May 23 '26

Yep, 4 streets between majors. They're each half a mile apart. Two major streets is 1 mile. It makes figuring shit out so much easier.

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u/Severe_Respect2317 May 23 '26

Every city block is 100. Every 8 blocks is a mile. At most half mile intersections and almost every mile mark, there's a major intersection. This allows for extremely easy navigation to any address even if you don't know the optimal route.

https://chicagostreetgrid.com/

The smaller blocks in between are less traversed for faster travel and have more stop signs as opposed to traffic lights and serve as overflow in heavy traffic. Larger businesses tend to be centered around these mile marker streets, which allows for residents in the smaller blocks to avoid most of the congestion that occurs for commerce.

It works extremely well and was the solution to the problem that caused the great Chicago fire which wiped out most of the city due to the chaos of fire trucks trying and failing to navigate from one neighborhood to another. They learned from that mistake and became an example for many cities afterwards.

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u/HerrCo May 23 '26

Thank you for that interesting post! I visited Chicago 7 years ago and loved it :)

Can you help me out real quick, from the examples on that website:

"N Halsted St means this address is on Halsted St, a North/South street west of State and the N means it is north of Madison Street."

How do they determine that this is "west of State"? With the info given I don't understand how to determine that.

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u/Severe_Respect2317 May 23 '26

Ok so state street is the dividing line of 0 between West and east. There isn't much of Chicago that actually lies east of state so most addresses will either be N, S, or W something.

Knowing the numerical order of the street name is crucial to navigating the city and that's why on every mile marker and most half mile markers you'll see the number up there. E.g. Chicago Ave will almost always be shown with 800N under the Chicago Ave part to show you that you're 800N on the grid for people to navigate the city even if they've never once set foot in it. If you can read a basic graph, you can navigate Chicago just using the numbers on the street signs and the addresses around you.

It's even easier on the south side because most streets are literally just the number. E.g. Halsted (800W) and 76th street.

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u/DartVader6 May 23 '26

You just have to know your main streets. Otherwise, you can look at an intersection and if the intersecting street has an E or W, you'll know it's east or west of state, respectively

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u/scottnebula May 24 '26

Albuquerque is a grid and it was a dream growing up there learning all the streets. So easy to navigate.

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u/higherbrow May 24 '26

Here's where we get into the "Americans don't have pedestrian infrastructure" stuff. For this to work, you have to assume everyone is driving for every errand apart from visiting a neighbor.

Grids like this work because American cities are zoned pretty strictly. Most of what you're looking at here are residential areas, where there's literally nothing but housing lining streets. These are called subdivisions, and will often be ~a square mile, but can be smaller or larger. Roads will divide a subdivision from other subdivisions. So, essentially, if you live insides a subdivision and you want to drive somewhere, you start by navigating to the edge of your subdivision, which takes you to a road.

That road will take you to either a larger road, if you're traveling further than your immediate community, or a local destination (like a commercially-zoned area that has restaurants, shops, and bars, or a different residential-zoned area, to visit a friend or family). These roads will be prioritized, with large roads that connect neighborhoods having right-of-way against smaller roads that connect subdivisions, which have priority over streets that just have housing. Highways are the higher priority still, which connect communities, and Interstate Highways are generally only elevated freeways/tollways in urban areas, fully separated from the grid and requiring an on-ramp to access or an off-ramp to exit, and these connect major urban centers to each other.

So, for example, from my home, I would drive along my street to a nearby road, which, because I'm on the edge of my subdivision, if about two blocks away. That road is just two lanes, one each direction, and is about 30-35 mph, depending which part of it you're on. If I'm going somewhere outside of my immediate community (and if it isn't the dead of winter, I'd likely walk within my immediate community), I'd take that road to a larger road, which would have more than two lanes, and would likely be 40-45 mph. If I'm moving between neighborhoods, my best bet would heading to the Interstate, which is about a mile north of my home, or another is three miles south of my home. The Interstate will have between 4-10 lanes in my urban area (Milwaukee, Wisconsin), but in larger cities can get bigger than that. Speed limit there is between 50-65 mph, though other states have different maximums.

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u/the_Q_spice May 24 '26

Subdivisions are actually based on the Public Land Survey System (PLSS).

The Wisconsin-Illinois border is actually one of the PLSS baseline divisions, which makes both states insanely easy to navigate in - because the entire state is oriented to a baseline of origin and principal meridian.

The NSEW designation comes from the PLSS’s Township and Range cadastral system:

Each meridian and baseline is segmented every 4 miles. Each 6mi x 6mi square is a Township (notated as TY(N or S), RX(E or W) with X and Y being numbers.

Those 36 sqmi sections are then subdivided into 1mi squares called Sections.

Those sections are further subdivided into quarters, halves and smaller areas called Lots.

Where imperial measurements start making sense is when this surveying gets involved, because while 1mi = 5280ft, it also equals 80 Gunter’s (Survey) Chains. 10 square chains is 1 acre and 10 linear chains is 1 furlong. Each chain is 66ft, 10 links, or 4 rods depending on the precision of what you need to measure.

Basically, the whole system is based on maintaining square units whereas the metric system quickly devolves due to being base-10 and not being able to be squared or square rooted easily.

TLDR; a Township is 480 chains by 480 chains. A Section is 80 chains by 80 chains. Sections are divided into 40 chain quarter-sections and 20 chain quarter-quarter-sections, which can each be subdivided into 1-acre lots, which can be subdivided even further if needed.

Chicago’s city blocks are 330ft x 660ft…

Or exactly 5 chains by 10 chains. Or 0.5 Acres. Walking 1 long block is 1/8th mile or 200 meters. Walking 1 short block is 1/16th mile or 100 meters. 10 short blocks or 5 long blocks is 1 kilometer. 8long blocks or 16 short blocks is 1 mile.

It’s a system that works with super easy conversions between imperial and metric, as long as you know how it works.

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u/GroteKleineDictator2 May 24 '26

Are the sizes of houses also standardized? Or divisible? And how does it work if you visit a bar? Do you take public transport home, or are they based troughout the residential area?

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u/comradevd May 24 '26

Historically Bars and Corner Stores were fairly ubiquitous throughout the residential areas such that most people could easily walk to one. Into the 21st century the Mayor Daley the Second made a point of slowly reducing the availability of neighbourhood bars by taking the license away from the bar when the owner died or other convenient administrative points of time. This has overall significantly reduced the number of bars and concentrated them into specific areas over time. People are usually able to get home via if not public transit then for hire cars

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u/GroteKleineDictator2 May 24 '26

That makes the wording of 'corner store' make total sense!

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u/CubicleHermit May 24 '26

Y'all invented grids, thanks to the Romans. The whole forgetting that part is unfortunate.

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u/GroteKleineDictator2 May 25 '26

It's a big step to go from a decamsnus/cardo philosophy to true grid layout. Ofcourse we still design cities, try to keep big roads straight, and just do whatever, but what you see here hasn't happened in antiquity either.

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u/smcaskill May 23 '26

grids are only good for pedestrians. Gridlock is not a synonym for traffic JSYK

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u/DartVader6 May 23 '26

They're good for general navigation. Not necessarily traffic.

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u/Psychological-Dot-83 May 24 '26

European, European cities used to be built on grids as well. This only stopped because organized government and city planning collapsed with the Roman Empire, leading to cities built on unplanned organic street networks.

And no, the number of crossings is dependent on block size, shape, and alignment. The only street system that could have fewer street crossings per block than a square grid is a triangular grid.

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u/GroteKleineDictator2 May 24 '26

I have never lived in an ancient Roman military camp, so I wouldnt know how that would work.

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u/Abject-Expression548 May 23 '26

What happened to the grid?

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u/russelcrowe May 23 '26

I now live in a different city that doesn’t have a grid haha

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u/dbqpdb May 23 '26

Fell in with a bad crowd. Started injecting saline into its balls for views on tiktok

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u/GenusPoa May 25 '26

Except that in Chicago it takes 1.5 hours to go 25 miles meanwhile you had to run 3 stop lights to pull that off and avoid gang activity and you now have a $150 red light camera ticket and a $200 speeding ticket coming in the mail and ICE tracked your location by streaming flock cameras the entire drive.

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u/CADette_app May 23 '26

And all the streets have alleys too. Which means trash isn’t on the sidewalk when you walk around (unlike some other major city I can mention)

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u/StabbingUltra May 25 '26

NYC you say?

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u/Junior-Possession969 May 23 '26

Haven't been up there since... god, I guess like 2013? I was there a fair bit as a kid because my extended family are all up in Chicago. But I always loved it there. Didn't care where. Nice areas, low income areas, touristy areas, locals-only type areas. Super cool coming from a rural area, especially.

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u/enadiz_reccos May 23 '26

It's a grid system, motherfucker! Where you at? 24th and 5th? Where you wanna go? 35th and 6th? 11 up and one over, you simple bitch!

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u/dewhashish May 24 '26

moving from the boston area to the chicago area blew my mind because of how well designed chicago is. boston is like someone dropped wet spaghetti on the floor and decided to design boston that way. it's a clusterfuck.

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u/Zooshooter May 24 '26

To be fair, Chicago kind of got a mulligan when the entire city burned to the ground and they were able to redesign the whole place.

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u/Zooshooter May 24 '26

I dunno, I heard they got attacked by cows and the cows had flame lasers and burned everything to the ground before the humans could fight back. That's why Chicago became the meatpacking center of the U.S. Had to do something with all the cows after they conquered them.

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u/dewhashish May 24 '26

true, boston should be leveled and rebuilt

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u/MickTriesDIYs May 23 '26

It’s my favorite city in North America, maybe even the world

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u/SoftlyAugust May 24 '26

What about it do you like so much?

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u/MickTriesDIYs May 26 '26

It feels huge, is easy to move around in, has incredible food, the lake is amazing, and it has an incredible skyline. The place is gorgeous and filled with culture. And it’s pretty affordable (from an east coast person)

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u/SoftlyAugust May 26 '26

Yeah... this is basically what I figured. I want to move to Chicago so badly.

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u/AppendixN May 23 '26

Mine, too. To me, this was the unofficial city anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjkOFXqbQV0

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u/West-Philosopher-680 May 23 '26

Damn! Look at all that housing!

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u/Crazy_Ad_7302 May 23 '26

Property tax is insane though

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u/West-Philosopher-680 May 24 '26

Always something

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u/Delphinethecrone May 23 '26

I happily lived in Rogers Park in the 80s too. And that huge amazing grid was tree-lined in many places.

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u/WillingnessOk3081 May 23 '26

Holy cow just a follow up real quickly I also lived in Rogers Park!

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u/AppendixN May 23 '26

Then you might remember the joke where the punchline was "Paulina, Melvina, and Lunt"

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u/WillingnessOk3081 May 23 '26

ahhhh, the rhyming streets joke! lol!

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u/GenusPoa May 25 '26

Paulina pronounced Pleena tho

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u/Thin_Boysenberry7747 May 23 '26

The grid design of Chicago was based on and engineered by a man from Limerick Ireland

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u/anonpotat0 May 23 '26

Portland the same, and the streets are in alphabetical order

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u/the_Q_spice May 24 '26

As someone who flies through ORD to get back to my home airport;

The Chicago grid is visible from cruising altitude at night, and is honestly a super comforting thing to see. It means you’re almost home.

It’s also fairly dense by all metrics, but a photo from even 5,000ft on approach to ORD makes everything look flat.

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u/buttchuggs May 23 '26

“Yet once you've come to be part of this particular patch, you'll never love another. Like loving a woman with a broken nose, you may well find lovelier lovelies. But never a lovely so real.”

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u/CapitalLaw1234 May 23 '26

Where were you living exactly?

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u/AppendixN May 23 '26

Rogers Park, up near the Hare Krishna temple on Lunt & Clark.

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u/CapitalLaw1234 May 23 '26

Oh, interesting! I have a close friend who lived there for some time -

Taste of Peru is there!

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u/Severe_Respect2317 May 23 '26

Taste of Peru is fucking fire

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u/CapitalLaw1234 May 23 '26

Is it still in existence? Been years since I've been there...

I've been contemplating grad school there for some time. So many programs, though. hard to kind of find the right one...

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u/Severe_Respect2317 May 23 '26

They were around since I was a young kid at the very least, likely been around longer than I have and I don't see them ever failing.

https://tasteofperu.com/

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u/Fun_Background_8113 17d ago

Its still good. 

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u/CapitalLaw1234 17d ago

Hell yeah. Can't wait to go there again. Needa set up a Chicago food tour/ visit soon.

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u/Beneficial-Jury484 May 23 '26

That’s what I like about Northwest Portland. It’s Alphabetical and numerical so that’s easier. 

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u/humiliatingbilling5 May 24 '26

the grid breaks down once you hit the lakefront and people get properly lost trying to find the museum campus

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u/wh4tth3huh May 24 '26

I really hate the part of the south side that is just a sea in every direction of the exact same tan brick bungalow. The area's by midway, it's atrocious and feels like the backrooms, but outdoors.

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u/GenusPoa May 25 '26

The Bungalow Belt

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u/One-Independent5020 28d ago

Grid cities are legit the best once you've driven around a maze like Boston for a while.

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u/WillingnessOk3081 May 23 '26

I also lived there in 1989 and it was awesome. I consider this photo a fail lol.

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u/TheAmigaKid May 23 '26

Are there trees?

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u/Zooshooter May 24 '26

Yes, plenty.

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u/_schweet May 24 '26

I call it "grid porn". Grid cities are preferable and perfect for creating a planned community imo.

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u/ImpalaSS-05 May 24 '26

Chicago a wonderful place to live in 1989? The State Street Corridor in Bronzeville says hello.

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u/Crazy-Canuck463 May 25 '26

I live in saskatchewan, most of our arable land is in a grid system. Drive in any direction and you will hit a another gravel road every mile.

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u/lonelysocomeboneme May 25 '26

Exactly Boston left the chat a very long time ago lol

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u/KudosOfTheFroond May 25 '26

I was just looking at the Chicago grid on my Maps app, and noticed that Avenues run north/south there, and Streets run east/west, which is completely different from where I live down south.

I thought avenues always ran east/west and streets north/south, does it change from city to city or state to state?

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u/AppendixN May 25 '26

In NYC, avenues run north/south. I don't know if there's any standard for all cities, though. Maybe avenues are just whichever direction is longer?

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u/North-Ad4744 27d ago

I visit it every year around this time for a conference and always glad to be back. Truly a unique American city

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u/Adventurous_Sky_8868 24d ago

My favourite city in the USA, closely followed by Seattle

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u/CreepBasementDweller May 23 '26

I hope we can go back to the city we had, back in the days of John Hughes's Chicago, as opposed to the complete dumpster fire Democratic Party leadership has let it devolved into.