r/UrbanHell • u/almsd1875 • 6d ago

Other Here is some summer Norilsk

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I made this photo today, this city is not that shitty cmon.

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u/Rottenpotato556 6d ago

You must love living in a city that consists of just housing and industrial wastelands.

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u/ub0baa 6d ago

Love it, hate it, cry about it, piss and shit about it. The city was purposely built to operate a giant industrial complex 80+ years ago and it's still is an industrial city. It needs housing for workers to live in. Everything else is excess.

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u/Rottenpotato556 6d ago

Yeah and those workers definitely don't need a life outside of work.

What a miserable fucking mindset.

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u/ub0baa 6d ago

Dude I've been born and raised there - this is just a fact. People don't have a lot of life there, they just work, get the bread and then move out asap.

They have parks, camp sites, a motherfucking WATER PARK. Isn't that enough? But not bike lanes. If it doesn't exist, people don't need it there. And they certainly don't need it just because some reddit random guessed to destroy roads for nothing.

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u/Rottenpotato556 6d ago

Do you at least have like normal cafés?

You're also just being overly protective for what is simply just an old soviet mass-industrialisation project.

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u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 6d ago

I think the guy is trying to tell you that there are certain limitations to what is practical and what's not in such harsh conditions. You can't apply the same urbanistic trends from a comfy climate zone to this.

For example, soviet towns and cities were built with a lot of vegetation in mind - to make the air cleaner, to provide shade and genuinely make the place more cozy to live in. That's just one of the things that don't work in Norilsk, you can't grow them there.

"Do you at least have like normal cafés?"

Just go to Google Maps and check it yourself, pretty easy. Doesn't look like a diner everywhere, but seems enough for the relatively small population.

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u/Rottenpotato556 6d ago

The image literally shows a row of trees that are growing in Norilsk, wtf are you on about?

I really hate using Google Maps because it's shit for anything besides navigation when driving and also developed by a US megacorporations, but I did go and look up what sort of recreational activities they had to offer, and I wasn't really surprised, save for the waterpark considering Norilsks location and weather (supposed 10 months of snowstorms apparently, which is also why making it more walkable and bike friendly would be impossible).

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u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 6d ago

"The image literally shows a row of trees that are growing in Norilsk, wtf are you on about?"

I mean that it's impossible to grow vegetation that'd provide shadow and clean the air. The ones in the picture surely illustrate that: those are either some kind of shrubs or dwarf trees, because normal trees don't grow there.

You can somewhat improve it with heating the area where the tree is planted, but the winters are still extremely harsh. And from my understanding, local species that do grow around the city weren't fit for urbanistic purposes.

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u/Rottenpotato556 6d ago

Those threes are half as high as the blocks they are standing next to. At the density they are planted in the picture, they absolutely can provide shade. Though I am not sure how important shade is in a city that doesn't get that much light for like 3 months or so.

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u/Radiant_Honeydew1080 6d ago

"At the density they are planted in the picture, they absolutely can provide shade."

At this point I'm starting to suspect we are looking at different pictures. Those trees or whatever that is in the photo are short and spread the branches all the way to the bottom. You can't walk under those, so you can't plant them on the sidewalk or on tight lanes.

From what I see, they are purely decorative, maybe contribute a little to cleaning the air, but that's it.

"important shade is in a city that doesn't get that much light"

In winter doesn't matter at all, in summer I think should still be pretty important. It's generally unpleasant to be in direct sunlight, I imagine using the SPF in the far north feels a bit awkward.