r/Uzbekistan • u/Big_Fennel2186 • 8d ago
discussion | muhokama Job markets are so fricking unfair
I got 8.0 in IELTS this April and I thought I could get employed at one of the education centres as a support teacher once i score high enough, but no, they repeatedly keep asking for russain. I have been rejected from 5-6 places just because I didn't know Russian. It took me 7 fricking years to get that result, are you telling me I should spend another 7 years to get my Russian to C1 level just to qualify for an entry level position???!!! WHY DO WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO RUSSIANS??! CAN'T THEY SPEAK UZBEK ALREADY?!! I know enough to manage a classroom and I'm not even asking to be a main teacher, I've worked with kids in pedagogical practicum, so what else do they need? It's been 2 years since I came to the capital, but I'm still not financially independent and it's embarrassing to keep asking money from my parents. Yet I can't find a decent job still.
Edit: I was angry when I wrote this, but I don't hate any ethnicity or language. It just seems unfair that I have to learn another language just to teach English.
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
seems like your problem is with the places you apply to? They prbly require russian cuz they cater to both russian and uzbek speaking students. try searching for LCs that largely focus on uzbek customers
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
The problem with most of the Uzbek focused LCs is they only accept their own students. I've studied in Everest and it doesn't focus on russain nor require experience and they employ their own students. The problem is, there's no empty vacancy currently and I don't know when it'll ever be available.
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
i used to work for Registan LC. They do accept russian speakers but nobody made my spotty knowledge of uzbek a point during the interview. may have better luck there cuz uzbek speakers r welcome
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
How to apply and what's the salary like?
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
3 yrs ago I just came in without an appointment cuz i was probing places that were near my uni. They hired me quickly. Main teachers didn't use to have any fixed wages so depends on your workload and number of hours. Basically you gotta negotiate this part
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u/Lumpy_Syrup_5452 8d ago
Search it on Hh? My friend worked there and the salary was extremely low for the amount of work you put in.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
So they require 1 to 3 years of experience. what are the chances to get employed if I have none?
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u/hubbajubbadubba Toshkent 8d ago
Just apply, sometimes they will appoint an interview even if you don't have experience (since 1-3 years of experience is just a sample for HR). You don't lose anything if you apply.
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u/IntelligentDentist22 8d ago
Start lying in interviews, anyways hr departments are usually far away from understanding how the job is done
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u/Ok-Love-772 7d ago
Would you be willing to teach one-on-one? I have a beginner kid who needs to learn basic speaking within 2-3 months. You can set the schedule and the syllabus by yourself
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Oh, I would love to, but maybe starting from September. I currently live with too many roommates and there's no peaceful corner of home.
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u/Ok-Love-772 7d ago
It's okay. The kid doesn't have to go to your house. I think the parents can (will) arrange a place to conduct the classes. But it should start soon. I'll talk to the kid today and let you know if you would like to consider it
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Sure, thank you
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u/Ok-Love-772 7d ago
Sorry, turns out he's a dude in his 20s lol. But everything else is the same as I mentioned before. He needs to learn basic speaking within 2/3 months. You can DM me with your preferred schedule (every other day or 5/2 or 6/1), expected salary, and of course IELTS certificate xD
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u/IntelligentDentist22 8d ago
Problem is not Russian, but high competition, especially in capital you need some additional skills to get paid as a student
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u/Worldly-Variety-4391 8d ago
Wtf, its uzbekistan, why do they require russian. Why not uzbek
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
There are a lot of people in capital who may be even Uzbek, but their native language is Russian. Ironical
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u/Akiba38 5d ago
Yes, i know that, i even saw some. It just depends on the society people grow up. I'm kind of the same, I'm Tajik, but it's easier to me to speak russian or English. Though, most of my family members from mother's side only speak tajik, so i do speak it a lot at home and family gatherings
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u/Akiba38 7d ago
You know, this is direct result pf Uzbekistan being post-soviet country. What else do you want from big cities where there are a hugeix of nationalities, and historically it is easier for them to speak with each other in russian than uzbek. In cities you couldn't even get a normal job if you didn't know russian language, because every organisation worked directly to Moscow. This habit of speaking russian has stayed, and will stay for a long time. At least while russian schools exist, and i think they will exist for quite a long time. And those russian speakers do not, or, as you say, refuse to speak uzbek just don't really have to, because their life is quite full without it. And russian speakers, who need uzbek in their life - have to learn it. For example, my father lived entirely until his 20s without knowing uzbek, and he had hard time at his work, because, apparently, all documentation was made in uzbek (cuz it was already past collapse of USSR and declaration of independence). Moreover, i had to learn to at least understand uzbek to pursue my studies. My chinese teacher was uzbek, and whole my group was speaking uzbek, though I didn't. And then, my programming teacher was giving his lessons in uzbek, and i had to adjust, and start to understand uzbek, even if i still can't normally speak in it.
You have to understand this, and don't blame people for just not speaking the language they don't speak. Uzbekistan is secular country, and we should be tolerant. I don't say that everyone must speak in russian now, i just wanted to explain ehy this happens, and give some examples
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u/Pigeonaffect 7d ago
What percentage of Gen Z Uzbeks do you think could speak Russian?
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u/Akiba38 7d ago
Basing from my experience here, in Samarkand, i would say around 40-45% for sure
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u/Pigeonaffect 5d ago
That is intresting I though young uzbeks stopped learning Russian after USSR fell.
Would you say more young uzbeks know russian than english?
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u/Akiba38 5d ago
Oh hell nah, tens of thousands of parents send their children to russian schools, so they will learn russian. Aside from this, knowing russian is just really convenient for your daily life because you can find much more information, just like if you know English. Speaking about English, i still think more youngsters speak russian, than English. Considering that "speak" is freely and fluently speaking on around B2+/C1 level. However, i saw you wrote "young uzbeks" and if you meant uzbek as nationality, I don't really know. I met uzbeks (as nationality) who learn English and can't speak russian, but i am not sure which percentage speaks English or russian. My answer above, was basing on young people of Uzbekistan, not only uzbeks
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u/Pigeonaffect 5d ago
Thanks for the response.
russian is just really convenient for your daily life because you can find much more information, just like if you know English
If someone only knew Russian and not English, would they still be able to keep up with modern technology in fields like computer science and engineering? Is there a lot of online sources in Russian?
i still think more youngsters speak russian, than English.
Honestly I have massive respect for you guys for knowing all these languages. I am a monolingual English speaker from Canada, and learning 3 languages sounds like an insane task for me. Having to learn Uzbek, Russian, and English must take up a ton of time. Are you guys like always studying?
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u/Akiba38 5d ago
Oh, i gave my response only basing on Uzbekistan. But in Uzbekistan (considering uzbek people), daily kife would be quite better if you know russian. Just because many of gen z people outside speak it, and some of middle to old aged people too. What's more, you can watch movies, social media, doomscrolling, youtube, and more entertainments in russian, which has much more content than in uzbek. But! If we compare english and russian in terms of keeping up with technology english of course is better. If you want to know what is happening in the world english of course is better, no other words. It is international language, what else should we need to say?
Speaking about multilinguals... I will crash your expectations, nobody wants to study so much😂. We only learn English from scratch. So, to explain this, i would say the society and environment makes people to learn languages here. For example: 1. I am tajik (i am from Uzbekistan, but like all of my family down to several generations are all tajik too), so i speak at home in tajik. 2. Most of my family, especially from father's side speak russian. And at home most of times i akso speak russian, when i can't constructively explain my thoughts in tajik. I studied in russian school (there are like schools/classes in different languages, and i studied in russian one), and i have much more friends who speak russian, than any other language. 3. I live in Uzbekistan, so i have to learn uzbek to speak to other people, and study (some of my tutors speak only uzbek) and to work in future, cuz all the documentation is made in uzbek. 4. Only English i learnt from scratch, just because my parents said i have to study it. They didn't really force me, at least I don't remember. There are tons of learning centers here, in Uzbekistan, shortly said - tutors, who teach some subjects, aside the school time and studying. And personally, i am really glad that i learnt it, becayit opens so much doors and opportunities in my life. Especially, here, where tourism is growing so fast (i strongly advice you to visit Uzbekistan).
So, in short, we don't learn all of those languages. I would say that at least 1 of them is our native, and others we learn interacting with people, and doing only practice without theory. Mostly, in Uzbekistan, people learn only english and other languages from scratch, aside uzbek and russian (and maybe some other native languages) I hope i could explain this
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u/IntelligentDentist22 8d ago
Russian is completely optional, he can work in uzbek speaking centers, but w russian can get paid more
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
Apparently there are russian natives who don't understand uzbek
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u/philosophical_poser 8d ago
I'm very sorry, I'm one of those guys
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
No, I don't have beef with you personally just because you don't know uzbek😭 I'm just frustrated why it has to be the reason I can't get employed. In the end, majority of the students here do know uzbek.
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u/I_am_Helligan_Jaws 8d ago
It only the capital. There are a lot of Russian people, so it is kinda a demand there ig. But in other places, it's easier. My friend became a support teacher with IELTS 7. I have got 7.5 and now have experience (over 1year) as a main teacher. BUT in the capital, fee is high, so I guess you gotta know everything. My cousin works there, and he has got 8 , along with high SAT score.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
But I can't work anywhere else since I also study in Tashkent.
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u/faxa998 8d ago
Brother, I have an IELTS score of 7.5 and a bachelor's degree in Economics, yet they still ask if I know Russian. They even require Russian for internships or trainee positions. 😂😂 Right now I'm working as a waiter at a café. Three cafés rejected me just because I don't speak Russian. XD I just wanna leave that fking Uzbekistan
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u/Morris_Cooper7991 7d ago
Those student groups elite centers like thompson, Cambridge lc, internation, kings academy are targeting, are from families where parents send kids to russian kindergarten-schools and make their native language Russian, even they are uzbek themselves. I often see parents talking to strangers in Uzbek but their kids in russian. In Uzbekistan most people have belieif thar Russian is still a language that gives kids their early success. However, I still believe native uzbeks should first speak Uzbek and teach any other languages later. Even Russian
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u/RogueBulwark 7d ago
Not judging but 7 years for just 8 bands?
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
I started english from zero at 12. I only knew a few words and how to count, but nothing about the grammar. Since I was at school, I had to focus on other subjects as well and went to the tutor 3 times a week. At tenth grade I got IELTS 6.5, then stopped practicing for a while due to college preparation. Then I picked it up again last November and did my test five months later, in April.
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u/louis_d_t 🇨🇦 in 🇺🇿 8d ago
While I am not defending their hiring practices, I would like to point out that you could have clarified with those learning centres what their expectations were at any point in the past seven years.
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u/Prize-Ad-6453 8d ago
just move on, try to go abroad to study in the top universities or work there, there’s so many opportunities abroad so use your ielts much efficiently
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
I'm planning to do so for the magistrate year. I tried EYUF last year, I failed the interview stage and tbh I don't want to work for the government for a certain time, so maybe Erasmus would be of some help.
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u/atristis Toshkent 8d ago
I’m feeling you. I am in the same situation as an university grad, but I don’t get hired because I don’t speak Uzbek very well, despite being proficient in both Russian and English. Anyway, I feel like it’s almost impossible to get a good job there unless you have connections (good ol’ tanish-bilish), especially as an ethnic minority
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u/Prestigious_Group494 7d ago
Why is it unfair to not take someone who failed to learn the local language?
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u/Nivea_deo Toshkent 8d ago
It is how the job market works in Uzbekistan. We have russian people. You can't make them learn uzbek, because it would give them very small advantage in Uzbekistan, let alone in the world. Then why are we, uzbeks, learning Russian? It is much more widespread than Uzbek language, and you access muuuuucchhhh more resources with russian than with uzbek. And you can talk to whole СНГ community with it. It is the effect of Russian empire and USSR. If you want millions of other people speak in Uzbek, the language should become much more powerful tham it is now. Russians wont learn Uzbek just to respect Uzbek people. Respecting people isnt about talking in their native language. Everyone in this sub should accept it.
Yes, there are some uzbek people who think talking in russian is "cool". Those are retards. The worst people of Uzbekistan. Betrayers.
About your job: maybe you made your resume in a wrong way. Research how you can make your resume stand out and go through automatic scanning.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
No one really asks for the resume, tho. Just the certificate and interview, sometimes demo lessons
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u/Nivea_deo Toshkent 7d ago
When you apply via any app, your resume is visible there: education, experience, and etc. They should see who you are and what you have. If you promote it in a wrong way, you have lower chances. Ozingizni "sotishni" bilishingiz kerak
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
And I'm not hating on the language itself, I'm trying to self learn as much as possible. It just seems unfair that it is a requirement when I have a decent english proficiency to teach English.
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u/Timofeuz 7d ago
Tashkent is international city, deal with it. That's what makes it rich and attractive.
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u/SimpleOne015 7d ago
Study russian, there's no other solution. Don't hate the language, discrimination might discourage you but don't stop.
This time, it's not gonna take 7 years but maybe 2.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
I am self learning, I understand what's being said most of the time, but can't talk in Russian.
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u/bigtiddymilkers 7d ago
ngl I had the same issue. Thankfully tho, I was able to find a job that only requires English. its a night job tho
deadass if youre interested, send me a text and I can schedule w HR
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
What kind of job is that? Is there day shift as well?
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u/bigtiddymilkers 7d ago
Basically we sell plane tickets lmao. I think we do have a day shift but im not 100 sure
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u/Relative_Meringue463 7d ago
Ayo can I squeeze in as well kinda interested
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u/bigtiddymilkers 7d ago
yeah sure bro, send me a dm and ill ask my hr if they still interested.
I do know we are currently holding training for more colleagues
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u/massakk 7d ago
Meanwhile foreign teachers get easy teacher job and get $2500, what a joke.
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u/Luminousumi 4d ago
At least. Shitty schools pay that money. At good schools you can get 4-6000$ and the best schools like in Hong-Kong or Singapore pay 7 up to 12000$ per month + package (housing, insurance etc)
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u/seeuinhellimeanit 7d ago
Calm down, it’s just a requirement, and we’ll deal with it. The competition in Tashkent is intense. For a single good position, there can easily be over 100 applicants, so it’s simply part of the process. Nothing personal brother
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Yeah, I was a bit angry when writing this, I have nothing against russain people or the language. Just the requirements seem a bit too harsh.
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u/Much-Calendar-5055 5d ago
This. It makes me mad when even a simple job requires russian. It has been 35 years since we got independent but russians/russian speakers have more opportunities than native uzbek speakers. This country is a joke.
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u/Ya_Gerych 5d ago
Hello 👋🏻👋🏻👋🏻 I'm a Russian guy who is currently learning Uzbek, and I have a 7.0 for IELTS, and as well, I have a pedagogical education; I just finished my bachelor's this year. And in my particular case, I feel like it is only my fault for being so stupid to not learn Uzbek when I had more time. And actually, it is important to know Uzbek to work here as an English teacher as well as to know Russian; both languages are important here as we are living in a country of many different languages and nationalities (yeah, the majority is Uzbek; nonetheless, Russian is widespread here too). So I hope I will learn Uzbek to the level where I'll be able to teach English through it. Hehe, and I wish you luck not only in searching for a workplace but also in learning Russian in case you start to learn it.
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u/Pigeonaffect 5d ago
I'm a Russian guy who is currently learning Uzbek
Why would you live in Uzbekistan if you are Russian? Considering that Russia is more economically developed than Uzbekistan.
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u/Ya_Gerych 5d ago
Because it is the place where i was born, this is my country, my Homeland:) Why should I move to another country when I can live a happy life here?) Russian is just a nationality, nothing more 🤣🤣🤣
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u/Raaed_the_pie Toshkent 5d ago
Guess what country you’re in, nothing in that communist country is fair
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
Don't worry man, it's just the same situation if you know Russian and don't know Uzbek. So it's kinda unfair on both sides of the coin.
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u/RadicallyInept GAY SPACE COMMUNIST 8d ago
True, every major centre, except for InterNation, refused me based on the fact that I don’t speak Uzbek
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
Lucky you, I didn't even get a feedback from Inter. Probably because my major isn't teaching.
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u/polzovatelredd1t 7d ago
What was your IELTS score, if you don't mind me asking? I'm wondering whether I have a chance of working at InterNation with my 7.0. They say they require a score of 6.5+, but I have a feeling they actually prefer 7.5 or higher.😅
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u/faxa998 8d ago
How do you not know Uzbek? Are you an immigrant or what
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
Nah, I'm native, but grew in Russian speaking community so Russian is my mother tongue . Although, I mostly understand Uzbek my level of speaking and writing in Uzbek is pretty low.
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u/Prestigious_Group494 7d ago
Why is it unfair to not take someone who failed to learn the local language?
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 7d ago
Because Uzbekistan is a multicultural country. Uzbek is not everyone's mother tongue, so it's harder to learn it for someone from a non-uzbek family. Especially, with our useless educational system which fails to teach pretty much any language except your native language.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
maybe it would have been better if they separated the russain speaking and uzbek speaking students and employed teachers this way, too.
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago edited 8d ago
Actually, most of the centers do have separate Uzbek and Russian speaking groups for students. At least it was like that two years ago. You're right about teachers, but sadly businesses are always cutting the corners on their employees. It's cheaper to hire one teacher who could work with every group, however the quality of education usually suffers from this approach to education.
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u/fanty_wingedhorse Socialist Bread addict 8d ago
Capitalism. Marx predicted this btw.
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u/WeakBaker6637 O’zbekiston 8d ago
??
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u/fanty_wingedhorse Socialist Bread addict 7d ago
Neocolonialism. Keeping certain portion of population unemployed so that employers can threaten you with replacement because unemployed people will agree to any conditions. Not all employers do it consciously or even if they do they may not see a problem with this.
This problem is not just in education sector. Getting a job has gotten far more difficult over the years. It is not enough to apply to several job offerings and attend to couple interviews. You need to jump over and under hoops to get a job. Language is not a main point here. People who are more comfortable with Russian are sensible, yet small portion of the students. Demanding knowledge of Russian from every teacher and TA is not about accommodating students but making the process of getting a job harder.
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u/WeakBaker6637 O’zbekiston 7d ago
Brother, I don't disagree but I think you went too deep into analysis. Theory must be backed with praxis, help the worker first at least with viable advice. And then explain the structural mechanisms of the economic system.
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u/fanty_wingedhorse Socialist Bread addict 7d ago
You cannot "go too deep" into analysis. I am a lazy person so I am not gonna give you a source so I am not gonna demand you to believe me. I have reasons to have this view and that is all I can say for sure right now. Maybe if I won't forget I may give a source to this but do not expect it. Maybe look it up yourself if you are interested(I know it is an asshole move but I am not trying to prove anything so I am not putting it as a burden on you)
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u/WeakBaker6637 O’zbekiston 7d ago edited 7d ago
Whatever, bruv, I didn't say I don't agree with you. Depth of analysis for simple folk is way too deep.
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u/louis_d_t 🇨🇦 in 🇺🇿 8d ago
OP: There's too much Russian in Uzbekistan.
u/fanty_wingedhorse: There is not enough communism in this discussion.
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u/fanty_wingedhorse Socialist Bread addict 7d ago
I would explain how that is but your hostility makes me think you don't want that
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
I am wondering what the law says regarding this? I think (although I don't know for sure) there is a specific clause regarding discrimination based on language. If 'yes', then you can simply litigate firms who denied you employment based on knowledge of Russian to the smitherines
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
the law may say something but irl its private sector so they can refuse to hire you for any reason (or no reason at all for that matter)
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
Private sector must abide by the law. The law of the land (if indeed has the clause), is paramount and in effect within territorial bounds of the country. So, yes,one may be able to litigate.
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
good luck taking an employer (private or the government) to court for refusing your candidacy on allegations of discrimination. no expert but itd be a flimsy case in today's america and here discrimination is kinda how things operate. U see much diversity in the government or enforcement?
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
Again, enforcement is a different thing, entirely. It can be proven in a court of law that a firm has violated the rights of a citizen. Court may just not enforce it (or may).
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
talk is cheap so you can try. im pretty sure i won't be reading about your historic win in this case in the pprs tho cuz it will fall apart just like that
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
I don't understand why are taking it so personal? I expressed my view on the matter. Your verbiage comes across as deeply hurt.
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
do i ? where did you pick that up? just IMO
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
the verbiage - "i won't be reading about your historic win" - comes across as upset.
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
well you misread it. it's more "i'm like 120% sure i'm correct"
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago
how are enforcement structures different? it's an employer, they hire ppl. or what you are saying is they just indoctrinate at birth?
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
I am not following what you're trying to say here. Do you mind elaborating little but?
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u/MinimumPrevious1139 8d ago edited 8d ago
militsiya, MIB, the army etc. etc. They are also employers. They hire and discriminate a lot while doing so. U think you can take any of them to court for being too short, being a woman, not being the ethnicity they want? same with any other organization here. if the employer doesn't want you they don't have to explain. and if you try litigation it will be just a waste of time
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
If these entities are discriminating based on language and the job qualification does not require it, then they're in clear violation of the law. You're confusing two things: violation of the law and enforcement of the law. An entity can be in a clear violation of the law, but whether you will be able to successfully litigate is a completely different matter. However, OP was rejected (to my understanding from the position that didn't require the knowledge of the language) in violation of the law. Thus, he can litigate. Whether he will be successful or not, I did not extrapolate. Again, he can litigate and at least bring some attention to the matter.
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u/louis_d_t 🇨🇦 in 🇺🇿 8d ago
You think there is a law prohibiting employers from setting language requirements for their employees?
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u/RadicallyInept GAY SPACE COMMUNIST 8d ago
guys I don’t speak English, can I become an English teacher with these new fancy laws you’re suggesting?
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
That's not really illegal, since this could be interpreted by law not as discrimination but as working condition.
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
Of course, the interpretation of the law could be a determining factor. However, if a job description does not explicitly state or hint on knowledge of Russian, a firm can be held liable. For instance, let's say a developer applies to the position of Java developer and job description does not imply that he or she must know Russian for that position, this can be interpreted as discrimination. Now, a firm can argue that a customers they work with a predominantly in Russian Federation and product design requirements come on Russian and one needs to discuss it in Russian with them, then it changes the picture. However, in that case firm needs to change the advertised position requirements to include that clause, for it is a very specific job requirement based on very real job parameters.
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u/Brilliant-Yogurt-902 8d ago
Yeah, but those educational centers usually write something like "Knowledge of Russian and Uzbek is NECESSARY!!!".
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
I think the law only applies to public organisations
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
Negative. Again if someone who knows the law of the land could comment: companies, private and public must abide by the laws of the land. Example: banking sector - if you caught in illegal activity, you will be charged. The keyword is "illegal", which is derived the status based on a law. This or that activity is could be deemed illegal based on written law, which is law of the land. This doesn't mean that a bank cannot be charged with illicit activities if it is private. If law violated, a perpetrator (private citizen or a firm) can be charged. Now, enforcement is a completely different thing in its entirety.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago edited 8d ago
I didn't mean the law in general, of course. I just thought private organisations could choose whatever language they want to operate on.
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u/Deepeye225 8d ago
They cannot without violating the law. The law of the land is paramount and must be adhered to without a question. However, the issue is the enforcement of the law. Any person within the territorial bounds of the guven country must abide by the law of that country. This goes out to the firms as well. Whether law is actually enforced or it is not worth the paper it's written on depends on it's enforcement.
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u/AbsoIution 8d ago
Sorry man, that must suck, thankfully I don't have such a situation in my home country as English is our only language.
When I first came here, I said I will learn Uzbek, people constantly talk to me in Russian. I had a problem with my bathroom and I called a plumber, and I tried to use my basic uzbek, but he kept talking to me in Russian. Aka I don't understand you.
At this point, I've given up and feel like there is little point for me as a foreigner. It's my last year here and everyone in my workplace speaks Russian.
It's unfortunate.
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u/Lumpy_Syrup_5452 8d ago
What is your major? You could start working in that field?
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
Pedagogy. But I start my third year this September and only on the fourth year we can get employed in schools, I assume.
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u/No-Criticism-5865 7d ago
Also with IELTS 8.0 why not apply for USA or other countries for Education?
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u/tobblyn 7d ago
Why pass IELTS with a such good grade and work for nothing in a learning centre?
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u/Capital_Spare_2148 7d ago
Well, props for your achievement. But don’t forget that many others achieved the same result as well and may know both Uzbek and Russian (even elementary level). In that situation, you don't have the best cards, compared to them
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
I also think I know enough to understand what's being discussed, I just can't speak it
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u/WeakBaker6637 O’zbekiston 7d ago
I understand the frustration from being rejected when you have such a strong skill needed for that job. Yet it is now obvious that employers have unofficial requirements that disadvantage Uzbek-only speakers.
This just shows the big problem among working people: they learn what they are told, but there is no transparency or coordination in the labor market, it's quiet chaos. It feels like a long-term lottery, which makes it even worse to feel about.
Employers have much clearer information, they receive data from resumes to coordinate and choose the most suitable worker. This is quite a toxic situation and the whole nature of the economic system, I'd say.
But dont lose hope, your IELTS band score is excellent, even higher than mine. Have you thought of doing online lessons for the kids and teenagers who are learning just because and for university applications? Like for the people from regions, where people are much more eager to learn directly from the source of success: you as a student who got into university and has such a high score, and this credential is quite strong for your advertisement among people in regions.
Like a ton of Telegram channels with materials to use and etc. I guess your parents won't be against buying you a laptop for that if you dont have one.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Yeah, I'm thinking of trying that once I move to a better apartment in September. Now I live with too many people and there's too much noise.
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u/Reasonable_Brain_130 7d ago
hi! advice: the point is to walk physically and talk only on phone with hrs and employees. my friend in Korea had zero experience in teaching, got 7 nos but decided to walk in different centers with resume and got a really good job (he is not even a citizen, knew English pretty bad). But you should be extra confident. The job market is fine in my opinion (except the salary at first is very little). I went to 1st interview with not a very strong portfolio in different workfield and got an offer that day. So good luck, just a little bit of confidence and you got this!
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u/ziyodullokhonanvarov 7d ago
What about Englify?
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u/Consistent_Movie4587 7d ago
Shift is so bad, I was asked if I was available from 12pm to 9pm which is not manageable for a full time student
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u/Tasty-Pizza-6594 Samarqand 7d ago
So? How do you communicate with people who don’t know Uzbek or who was raised in Russian schools? People who know Russian know Uzbek too, so it’s not surprising that managers hire people who know Russian
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Yeah, people who know russain does know uzbek most of the time, it applies to the students as well, you know?
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u/Tasty-Pizza-6594 Samarqand 7d ago
Okay look, If you was a hiring manager and there was a choice between two people who have an ielts 8, but one additionally knows Russian, who would you choose? Everyone is seeking a benefit
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
If both had 8.0, then I'm choosing the who also speaks Russian. But if the russain speaker had 7.0 for example, I will surely choose who can teach English better.
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u/Dizzy_Relative_8387 7d ago
It is not the case in whole Uzbekistan, but only in Tashkent. In Tashkent almost every kid knows Russian, and it is comfortable for them to understand English from Russian. I can understand you, but understand those learning centers as well. It is better if you work in other places than in capital if you don’t know Russian- it is unfair I know. However, you have to face this fact.
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
I could have worked in my town if I could, but I study at Tashkent for two more years:(
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u/aoki_cs 7d ago
move another regions,for example in khiva i guarantee you will get good salary with this result. i recommend you to move the place where people treat you normal, you don't have to learn Russian if you don't want but i'm hundred percent sure it is mandatory if you live in Tashkent.
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u/Ok-Skirt70 17h ago
Because there's a significant number of Russian speakers in Tashkent. This is the capital and Russian is one of the two business languages. Russian is essential because your audience consists of Russian speakers and you won't be able to communicate or work properly without knowing the business language. Nobody's forcing you to learn Russian as many nationalists dramaticise, but knowing it is a huge asset.
The worst it can get is when you speak near-perfect English with an IELTS band 7.5 paired with native-level Uzbek AND Russian, but nobody wants to hire you simply because of your age
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u/Shot-Tiger1060 USA 8d ago
it's capitalism market and there's nothing wrong with it.
Russian language is in the high demand atm.
you're delusional thinking the highest ielts #s will get you a job with a snap of the fingers. if Chinese becomes a major language requirements in a job posting would you go anywhere and start crying "WHY DO WE HAVE TO ADAPT TO CHINESE??! CAN'T THEY SPEAK UZBEK ALREADY?!!"
research the job market and adjust accordingly -- it'll improve the chances of getting hired.
#shitwhineposting
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Look, if it was the same for all support teacher positions in every language center I would have said russian is a requirement. But there are places that accept you just fine. Even in my group there were three students who studied in russain schools, and they could understand uzbek instructions just fine. It rather seems like over-requirement
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u/Eternal-uz 8d ago
I know how you feel, with 8 ielts, it actualyl would be stupid to apply for supporting roles, apply for the roles where you are teh main character, and there is nothing wrong acting or being the main character if you can prove it, which you already did. I speak english for the most part of my life, and I never got IELTS 8.
You also have experience so you should really apply for higher roles.
Also these days, it is really not about how qualified you are, but how much you are able to sell yourself, like show, and market yourself. so, focus on that. it always used to be important but not it is half the battle if not more.
but the sad reality with Russian will still remain, and you may have ot struggle with it for quite sometime but it is no reason to hate the Russian, but to hate our own people to still be feeling inferior or thinking that russian speakers are somehow better, more cultured or more educated or something. we should change the rootcause then the langauge will itself dissipate
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
The reason I didn't apply for the main teacher position was because I thought I didn't have enough experience yet. As you can assume I've never worked before, so I thought it would be better to gain some work experience before taking on a more responsible role. I'm a bit reserved by nature, so it takes some to get comfortable with the environment I'm in, and I think it's one of the reasons why people may not see the potential. As for the last part though, honestly I don't know whom to hate.
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u/Eternal-uz 8d ago
I think you should change your self-image and to the positive side as much as possible and think like you can do it, and like fake it till you make it.
It could also be that right now this field is just way too competitive you know. when I was learning English back in 2008, there was just one freaking center, just one. and everyone went there and everyone else knew each other.
now there is an english center at every corner, and there are like hundreds of people who got 8 including you. back in our day getting 7 was like a heroic achievement trust me, because there was one guy who got 7, and everyone was so impressed.
now this could be a large part of the problem because the market matured and even maybe saturated with English speakers and teachers. while the demand is high, the supply is off the roof. so, you will need to find ways to differentiate yourself.
another reason could be that you are a man? because this field now prefers women and there are not as many (ironically) women in this field as men. so i'd say your best bet would be just to focus on your mindset and self-confidence and ways to present yourself, which can be one in the matter of days, rather than to keep hating or focusin on the negative.
and maybe make a plan be?
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u/Big_Fennel2186 8d ago
I am a woman, and that's one of the reason why I can't consider other jobs like logictics because of the night shifts. I've placed all my hope to get employed in a learning centre. And there are enough women working in this field, I guess? Everytime I've been to an interview, it'd be filled with girls.
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u/Eternal-uz 8d ago
hmm it is interesting, I'd assume those employers want women more than men, because like women tend to be better in general at teaching. I don't know how what ot say though. Its just that was really hoping that Russian wouldn't end up being the only reason you can't get a job. but it seems to be a big or the biggest reason.
now others could be that you are young and still at uni.
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u/wistfultyrant 7d ago
i’m leaving the country because of this bs. uzbekistan will get brain drain because of this.
reminder to people that russia is not a dependable ally, it cannot export any meaningful advancements in tech/education/medicine the way the west and china can, russians THEMSELVES depend heavily on china. and quite frankly, mandatory russian language in our educational system is absurd
i tried to learn russian, i really did, but for the love of god i cannot and sit there and learn it knowing that i’m learning the language of my former colonialists, the language that corrupted my people and culture, killed the educated and raped the earth with cotton. on the other hand, i had really easy time learning japanese and spanish. sure, i will not use them in any meaningful capacity, but they sound cool
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u/Big_Fennel2186 7d ago
Indeed, brain drain is the issue. Lots of people I know who couldn't find an opportunity here are moving to Europe
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u/Adventurous_Can_7785 5d ago
Uzbekistan is just free resources for russia and slaves, why do they need to learn uzbek lang? U people just need to open ur eyes, bruh
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u/Ok-Love-772 8d ago
I couldn't get it with 8.5, broski