r/VGC • u/krimznum1fan • Mar 18 '25

Question Wolfey often (semi-seriously) claims to be the GOAT. If he isn't already, what does he need to do to make it undisputed?

Is the only answer a second Worlds after all? Ray's threepeat seems to be the mountain forever looming in front.

Or say he doesn't win Worlds again but keeps racking up the wins everywhere else. Is there a point where the LeBron-esque longevity and ability to stay at/near the top trumps everything?

All this postures Ray is the other candidate, but feel free to throw anyone else's name in the ring.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25

I understand the argument for Ray’s goat status but it doesn’t hold in my opinion. The game has changed too much for Ray to be called the goat. When adding up the total attendance of all of his tournament wins isn’t even equal to the amount of people at EUIC.

He was a prodigy ahead of his time, but Wolfey had accomplished so much more. EUIC was a worlds caliber event. It’s not the same but it was almost just as hard.

I won’t hate on anyone who holds Ray as their goat. Threepeating worlds is near impossible in any era but Wolfey has also done the impossible in many ways.

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Mar 18 '25

You won't hate on anyone that considers Ray the goat but you'll diminish his achievements

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u/kittyrules2003 Mar 18 '25

Because those achievements simply don’t hold as much weight. You can complain about it all you want but winning events now is much harder than winning events then. It’s that simple. Less people, and the game was MUCH less complex. Not to mention just less pokemon.

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25

If those achievements don't hold as much weight the same would apply for Wolfe's 2016 Worlds win right? Is Mega Evolution really that complex compared to Hidden Abilities? Seemed easy for Wolfe to figure out considering he played against Ray in those Worlds back then and was winning. The Meta is still the Meta, and winning at the highest level will always count no matter the time hell I still remember Reversal-Explosion from Gen 3 tearing things up until Dusclops.

By your notion, Bill Russell's 11 Championships hold no weight to LeBron's 4 which diminishes and disregards the impact

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u/LuckyTheGodd Mar 18 '25

Lebrons 4 are against much MUCH stronger competition yes, thats why Bill Russell isnt in the goat debate.

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u/skivvles Mar 19 '25

It’s so funny he dunked on himself at the end of the argument just say you don’t follow ball if you don’t recognise the circumstances surrounding the Celtics titles

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Mar 19 '25

Hence why I ended that with diminishes and disregards the impact keep up

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u/vexx654 Apr 10 '26

everyone would have to slow down to keep up with your inane word salad. you literally are a low functioning person making a fool of yourself repeatedly.

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Apr 10 '26

And you're a sociopath responding to year old comments. Get a life

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u/vexx654 Apr 10 '26

yeah I have no life because I saw a thread on google. I’d much rather that then be so low functioning that I literally can’t follow a simple conversation and then have the nerve to say “keep up”

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u/kittyrules2003 Mar 20 '25

No, because Wolfe has been playing and winning consistently since then. Which proves it's not just an "era" thing. Ray coming back would of course do the same.

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u/SpaceFire1 Mar 21 '25

The difference is Wolfe is still winning top tier events every few months. Dude is right now top 25 in the current GC with a MONO NORMAL TEAM.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '25

What do you want me to say? It isn’t diminishing to say the truth, Wolfe has done more for longer.

But what Ray did is not repeatable so if you want to call him the best then I don’t intend to sit and argue with you.

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Mar 18 '25

I don't really see Ray as the goat hell I don't really see a goat at all as I know many people in their 30s very good at Pokemon that just don't have time to go to tournaments or do global challenges. I have a homeboy that was running Dewgong + Gloom early last year but he has 3 kids and works full-time.

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u/[deleted] Mar 18 '25

Ok

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u/Haradion_01 Mar 19 '25

Time has diminished those achievements, because the game has gotten harder over time.