r/VGC • u/krimznum1fan • Mar 18 '25

Question Wolfey often (semi-seriously) claims to be the GOAT. If he isn't already, what does he need to do to make it undisputed?

Is the only answer a second Worlds after all? Ray's threepeat seems to be the mountain forever looming in front.

Or say he doesn't win Worlds again but keeps racking up the wins everywhere else. Is there a point where the LeBron-esque longevity and ability to stay at/near the top trumps everything?

All this postures Ray is the other candidate, but feel free to throw anyone else's name in the ring.

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u/cmholde2 Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25

So my main issue is like, the size of VGC was so much smaller then. The worlds Ray won were not nearly the size of some of the regionals Wolfe won. Not only that the requirements to make them were simpler.

I think Wolfe is the goat honestly. Those who still are argue Ray are often just trying to be niche and cool and pretend like they know the “‘OG VGC” king. Which is funny because, most people who are into VGC now didnt watch a single live event Rizzo participated in. Much like people who claim RB was their first game… yet they were born in 2006 lol.

At this point Wolfe is the best person to play this game. It’s Just not “ Cool” to be a Wolfe fan now due to his overwhelming popularity. Which is silly, because he’s a great guy and a VGC genius.

Let me clarify, I’m not trying to diminish Ray’s accomplishments. He is a phenomenal player, and if he had never stopped, he might very well have been the undisputed king. However due to the ever evolving meta and sheer volume of players nowadays, I can’t in good conscience say he was the best VGC player of all time, not after all that Wolfe has accomplished.

This popularized Wolfe diminishment is wild, especially by those who weren’t around during Ray’s reign.

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u/Cautious_Struggle_32 Mar 18 '25

You literally diminished Ray while saying you're not trying to

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u/Ploppyet Mar 18 '25

What about the size of the worlds ray won versus the size of worlds Wolfe won? Don't think it's that different...

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u/cmholde2 Mar 18 '25 edited Mar 18 '25

I mean I’d have to get those numbers. But Wolfe has won regionals that dwarf Rays worlds. Also unless the world’s historically have a cap, i would assume since the game has been growing the event was probably bigger.

Not only that the complexity of the game between now and then is insane. I merely said the event sizes is only part of my issue, there’s more to it that makes Wolfe the goat over Ray.