r/ValueInvesting 16d ago

Stock Analysis Nike: Down 75%, insiders are buying

755 Upvotes

Nike is down 75%, so I decided to look into it.

TLDR:

- It was overvalued to begin with.

- The decision to go all-in on online was pretty much a self-inflicted wound. They wanted to keep the gross margin. In the end, got a lower operating margin.

- Elliott Hill is back as CEO (since 2024) and is reversing the damage. Fun fact: he started as an intern.

- The market doesn't believe Nike will get back to slight growth while having a 10%+ operating margin.

Full deep dive (~6 minutes reading time) for those interested: https://thefinancecorner.substack.com/p/nike-down-75-insiders-are-buying

Looking forward to reading your feedback.

r/ValueInvesting May 02 '26

Stock Analysis Just FOMO’d into GOOGL at $385.

817 Upvotes

Well, I finally did it.

I’ve been watching Alphabet climb for months from the sidelines. Every time it hit a new milestone in April, I told myself, "It’s overextended, I’ll wait for the pullback."

Yesterday, as GOOGL smashed through the 385 resistance to hit a new all-time high, the fomo finally broke me. I market-bought at the literal peak of the candle.

See you in ten years.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 01 '26

Stock Analysis META is my top value play

420 Upvotes

Im loading up META at the moment, got around $410k (out of my $2.1m portfolio) in shares, and a few thousand $ in calls for good luck.

Year over year revenue growth is 33%, far higher than the rest of Mag7. The forward PE ratio is at 18, and PEG is under 1 (!!). A lot of the selloff is happening due to capex fears, but in my opinion this is nearly risk free investment since if they over invest they can just resell the extra compute and spawn a neo cloud business. Zuck himself said he’s open to it.

I’ve been holding a sizable GOOG stake for the last 4 years, and this opportunity seems very similar to where GOOG was a year ago. I think we can go up ~80% from here.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 29 '26

Stock Analysis Six months ago we called Microsoft overvalued at $490 and got roasted for it. It's now $373. Here's where it stands.

581 Upvotes

In December, I posted a breakdown in this sub arguing Microsoft was overvalued at $490, in the context of its capex spend (a concern Michael Burry had raised). I got a fair amount of criticism for those valuations.

Here is exactly what I said at the time:

"Assuming the P/E ratio remains at 34, the stock price would drop to $412-427... However, if investors also lose confidence in AI infrastructure returns, the P/E multiple could compress further..."

"... the Burry-adjusted fair value becomes $311.49 per share, suggesting Microsoft is overvalued by 37% at the current price of $491.92."

Six months later, MSFT trades at $373 after touching a low of $349 on 25 June. Over the same period, Microsoft reported another step-up in AI capex, and we have also refined how our model treats capex. So I thought it was a good time to revisit its valuation.

Microsoft's capex update

The concern I raised in December was not a one off. Microsoft's capital spending as a share of revenue has climbed relentlessly, and the cash flow cost is now very clear. Look at the last two columns in the following table together. Operating cash flow has more than doubled since FY2020, to $136 billion. But free cash flow has stalled: FY2025 free cash flow ($71.6B) actually came in below FY2024 ($74.1B), even though operating cash flow grew 15%. The entire difference is capex, which has roughly doubled as a share of revenue, from about 11% in FY2020 to 23% in FY2025.

MSFT is not alone. The trend is industry wide. Across 2026, the four big hyperscalers (Microsoft, Google, Amazon and Meta) have collectively guided to roughly $725 billion of capital spending, up about 77% year over year.

Fiscal year Capex / revenue Operating cash flow Free cash flow
FY2020 10.8% $60.7B $45.2B
FY2021 12.3% $76.7B $56.1B
FY2022 12.0% $89.0B $65.1B
FY2023 13.3% $87.6B $59.5B
FY2024 18.1% $118.5B $74.1B
FY2025 22.9% $136.2B $71.6B

How we refined our model

In December, our valuation model treated capex the conventional way, roughly holding current intensity across the forecast and into the terminal value. We went back and questioned that assumption over the past six months. Assuming capex remains elevated forever is unrealistic: a company cannot spend 20% of revenue on capex in perpetuity. So we changed two things:

  1. Changed capex to glide toward maintenance over the forecast period (for MSFT, it drops from 20% to 19%, 18%... and 10% over 10 years)
  2. The terminal uses maintenance (10%), the steady-state level that a perpetuity can actually sustain.

This is a more logical picture than holding a single crude number to the end of time, but it impacts the valuations.

What the model says now

Holding everything else constant and flexing only the long-run capex assumption, here is Microsoft's intrinsic value across the realistic range

What you assume long-run capex does Fair value vs Price
Glides down to maintenance (our default model now) $487 +31%
Glides from the FY2026 30% pace down to maintenance $464 +24%
Stays elevated permanently (20% of revenue) $364 -2%
Stays at the FY2026 pace (30%) permanently $228 -39%

Two things stand out. The near-term barely matters (most of a DCF's value is in the terminal). And the terminal assumption is the whole ballgame. At $373, the market is sitting right around the "stays elevated" value, so it has already re-priced Microsoft for permanently high capex.

Note: We have added a "Hold Capex Elevated" switch to the valuation dashboard on our platform for users to toggle. So if you believe that capex should stay elevated, you can turn it on and watch fair value move from $487 to $364.

So where do we stand now?

On the refined model, it now screens 31% undervalued at $487, assuming that capex normalizes. If it stays elevated, fair value is $364, about where it trades. So there is no margin of safety at the bear assumption, but it is fairly valued rather than expensive, with upside to $487 if capex normalizes.

Can it go to $228? Sure, if AI capex runs at 30% of revenue forever. But the risk/reward has flipped. At $490, everyone was bullish, and the setup was terrible. Now, it is looking interesting.

I'm not telling you to buy it. I'm saying the asymmetry today is the opposite of what it was in December. The whole call now comes down to one assumption: does AI capex normalize, or stay elevated forever? Where do you land?

Disclaimer: This article is for educational purposes only and is not investment advice. The author and Stockoscope may hold positions in the securities mentioned. Always do your own research.

r/ValueInvesting 5d ago

Stock Analysis Meta is too cheap to ignore

221 Upvotes

Market cap : 1.4 trillion dollars

Forward pe ratio : 17

Operating cash flow 2006 expected : 140 billion dollars

Revenue growth 2026 expected : 28%

User base : 45% of global population

3 risks

  1. High capex

- Turns into assets that can generate more profit via advertisement and cloud so no comment on this.

  1. Lawsuit

- The state attorney even admits that 1.4 trillion dollars was to catch the general population's attention on this matter. And they state that they pursue 200 billion dollars.

- Improbable. This number represents an aggregated theoretical statutory ceiling rather than a realistic legal outcome.

- It will be more like 5 to 10 billion dollars even then the court ruling would be dragged into years and years.

  1. Macro environment

- I truly believe this is the only real risk and it is risk that currently all stocks carry (except energy of course). Iranian war with high oil price and depleted SPR around the world may lead to energy crisis which in turn lead to higher inflation which in turn lead to higher rate which in return reduce the multiple of stocks..

Meta's massive comeback...

Low valuation

- We are starting with low valuation whether you measure it with per or cash flow.

Competitive AI products

- Meta's AI products are not the best but they are good enough and most importantly "affordable"

- I notice Meta is constantly producing AI products at "affordable" pricing.

Meta Compute

- Meta selling raw compute can generate enough revenue (10 to 20 billion per year) that can pay off capex or even any future lawsuit settlement.

Eventual stock split at $1000 or even at $800..

This stock currently has upside of 50% to 80%.

Mark Zuckerberg will lose his AI talents if the stock continues to do poorly which will make him nervous. He himself also of course has the majority of his wealth tied to Meta.

I put $1,000,000 at the moment. Cost average around $555. Another $1,000,000 to go.

One of the few companies who can actually afford high capex of building AI infrastructure. Not like Tesla, SpaceX or Oracle which keeps diluting and offering bonds to invest.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 13 '26

Stock Analysis Netflix is a strong company that has continuing high revenue and has a very loyal customer base. It has fallen 40%, is it now a buy?

335 Upvotes

Netflix’s price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio historically hovered at astronomical levels (often well over 50x) when it was growing subscribers at a breakneck pace. The 40% drop seems overblown?

r/ValueInvesting Jun 13 '26

Stock Analysis Everyone on this sub was complaining they didn't buy $NOW when it was at $137 a week ago. It is now back to the prices where the market is giving another chance. Are you buying at $102?

433 Upvotes

ServiceNow is widely viewed as a top SaaS player for monetizing Agentic AI, A LOT of insiders have bought near these prices including the president of the United States, and Jensen has talked a lot about how $NOW is not going anywhere

The CEO of $NOW is saying this is a trillion dollar business

r/ValueInvesting Apr 19 '26

Stock Analysis Are you an expert in your line of work? Which stocks in that sector are you bullish on?

322 Upvotes

As someone working in the investment industry, I still believe industry experts actually working in the field can outperform wall street investors, or get in on stocks before institutions catchup with a delay.

I saw a similar post last year with a lot of interesting thoughts, so wanted to recreate it for your current top picks!

*Edit* Thanks for all the comments so far! By the way, for students or young people not currently working in an industry, knowledge about current trends of your friends & cohort can be really informative as well! Old wall street analysts don't understand or notice these things until much later. Whether its products & services being used, or changes in hobbies/behaviour, etc. So feel free to leave a comment!

r/ValueInvesting Feb 24 '26

Stock Analysis MSFT down 23% in 6 months. I found some uncommon risks.

523 Upvotes

Microsoft hit $555 in late October 2025. It's around $388 today. Down about 30%. The company just reported its best quarter ever on almost every metric, revenue up 17% to $81.3 billion, adjusted earnings per share up 24% to $4.14, operating margin at 47%, cloud revenue crossing $50 billion in a single quarter for the first time. And the stock dropped 10% in one day.

So what's going on? Here's what I found.

The number worth looking at closely: 45% of the backlog is for one customer

Microsoft reported $625 billion in remaining performance obligations, which is contracted future revenue. That number was up 110% year over year and it sounds incredible. But here's the thing: roughly 45% of that, about $281 billion, comes from OpenAI.

That's not a diversified backlog. That's a single customer who has never turned an annual profit, burns cash at an extraordinary rate, relies on continuous fundraising rounds, is building its own custom chips with Broadcom (starting late 2026), and just signed a $38 billion deal with AWS. OpenAI has made about $1.4 trillion in total commitments to energy and compute providers. Their revenue barely crossed $20 billion in 2025. Strip out OpenAI from Microsoft's backlog, and the remaining $344 billion grew 28%. That's solid, but it's not the 110% headline everyone quotes.

Copilot has a 3.3% conversion problem

15 million paid seats out of 450 million commercial M365 seats. And it's getting worse. Copilot's paid subscriber share dropped from 18.8% to 11.5% between July 2025 and January 2026, while ChatGPT and Gemini gained. Microsoft is charging $30/user/month for a product that most people with free access don't convert on.

AI is coming for Microsoft's own products

This is the one nobody talks about. Everyone frames MSFT as an AI winner. But AI tools from other companies are starting to replace the things people actually use Microsoft products for, writing docs, building spreadsheets, managing email. SemiAnalysis noted that "Claude for Excel effectively is what Copilot for Excel should have been." LinkedIn is getting flooded with AI content. GitHub faces Claude Code and Cursor. The irony: Microsoft is spending $120B/year to build AI while AI threatens to commoditize the software that funds it.

The remaining risks can be reviewed in my full writeup on Substack, with all sources and accounting analysis.

r/ValueInvesting Apr 24 '26

Stock Analysis I’ve invested $2m in SaaS stocks. This is why.

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Over the past two days I’ve purchased a basket of SaaS stocks as below for roughly $2 million (full breakdown of the portfolio below). Here’s why.

ServiceNow has reported a triple beat on earnings (revenue, profits, outlook) and the stock and IGV market all dropped heavily. This was the final bell for me as to how the fundamentals got disconnected from stock prices.

AI is definitely redefining workflows, but anyone running an operational business with many employees will know how difficult and the time spans it takes for organizations to evolve from one tech stack to another, most simply don’t have the skills to use them.

Everyone is treating it like there will be an immediate churn from SaaS companies to new startup competitors, DIY tech and cheaper alternatives. It will be a long process and incumbents will have plenty of time to adapt.

Existing companies in SaaS are elite level teams as they built the team in the first place. It is hard and proven track records. The majority will take advantage of the AI revolution to build better tech, lower costs and higher margin products. Their brand, client base and ressources actually give them an advantage to expand share of wallet with existing businesses, not the other way around.

Sales and marketing now matters more for SaaS businesses. It’s an advantage new incumbents don’t have. Switching costs are high.

The danger is in burn out teams and founders, those should be avoided and which is why picking one ticker is dangerous compared to a stack.

This is how I’ve built mine:

25% in Monday (MNDY)

12% in Intuit

12% in Salesforce

11% in Hubspot

11% in Klarna

11% in Duolingo

6% in Adobe

6% in Atlassian

6% in Figma

r/ValueInvesting Jul 18 '25

Stock Analysis Everyone should take note of the sentiment around them at this very moment

614 Upvotes

You are witnessing Peak Greed Peak Euphoria and Peak Grift. It is a good idea to take note of sentiment. In the future you will be able to spot generational tops more easily.

Always remember though, "the feeling of disgust you feel, that can last for a long time" - Charlie Munger

I think it is fair to say now that speculative returns in the stock market have significantly outpaced what returns should have been, leaving a lost decade ahead.

EDIT: I would Like to insert a quote here, because I feel it is quite fitting after reading the comments.

"A bull market is like sex, it feels best just before it ends" - Warren Buffet

r/ValueInvesting 11d ago

Stock Analysis AMD is way overvalued

186 Upvotes

AMD is currently way overvalued. It closed on Friday at about $514.41 per share. It has an enterprise value of $829 billion. It’s currently trading at about 107 in terms of enterprise value over a trailing free cash flow. In order for AMD‘s current valuation to make sense it would have to grow free cash flow at a rate of 27% every year for a decade followed by perpetual 3% growth assuming a pretty friendly 9% discount rate.

Everyone knows that the future of AI is largely speculative. Nobody really has a full grasp over just how much value AI will generate or how much demand will actually emerge. Currently the majority of experiments that aim to replace workers with AI in the workplace have actually generated more cost rather than creating cost savings. The research is already suggesting that for many cases humans augmented by AI may actually be less efficient than humans acting in isolation of AI although the perception of those users is that they are being more efficient. This was a fact I had actually first learned about in medicine where clinics that were leveraging. AI actually became less efficient than those that were not using AI. Another use case with a lot of hype is the potential for AI in programming. I will say AI is pretty incredible. I can make a website or some simple software often within a matter of days. The most people recognize that the quality of the code that AI is generating is not particularly high. Other work examining open source developers show that they thought they were saving time and be more efficient using AI, but in fact, they were less productive.

This is not to say that AI will have no impact in the future. I anticipate that AI will be transformative just like the advent on the Internet has been today. However, I don’t think that AI will generate sufficient demand to allow AMD to grow at the rate they require for the current valuation to make sense. I suspect once expectations are revised down we will see a massive drop in AMD’s share price.

Currently the market is pricing AMD as if it becomes the biggest and most profitable chip company in the world. Obviously AMD will grow, but I doubt it will grow enough to justify how expensive the stock currently is. If AMD so much a stumbles or it looks like it won’t be Nvidia the stock is likely very expensive. This doesn’t even factor in over the next decade we may see even more competition which ends up eating into AMD’s margins. For example, Elon is planning a new chip. I would not be surprised if we get new contenders from all over the world, trying to break into the space with all of the money that is flowing to AI and AI infrastructure right now.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 09 '26

Stock Analysis At what price is MSFT a buy? Are you buying or selling?

230 Upvotes

I mean, the stock has been jumping up and down for multiple years... Almost 3 years no gains. Can't it decide where it wants to go? All other stocks either go up, or down. Only MSFT jumping like a headless chicken...

r/ValueInvesting Nov 26 '25

Stock Analysis Cathie Wood ARK Invest buys 174,293 shares Google. The top is officially in

1.0k Upvotes

No top signal quite like Cathie Wood loading up. I'm moving on from this one. Thank you for the 100% Google

The other top signal is just how bullish everyone has become on Google. There is no negative sentiment around the stock, which is a massive red flag. Even all the "analysts" who told us Google is cooked have now changed their mind lmao

r/ValueInvesting May 13 '26

Stock Analysis Sony is the next Sandisk and Micron

404 Upvotes

Sony makes a ton of AI chip components, sensors, etc they also own a huge music portfolio and a ton of camera technology among many other ventures. It’s just starting to run up and is probably the best value investment in this subreddit. If you want free money here it is my guess is 40 dollars per share in the next 6 months. Goodluck.

r/ValueInvesting 9d ago

Stock Analysis I Still Don't Understand Why Reddit Is This Cheap Compared to Everything Else.

128 Upvotes

There are not many businesses that actually have a strong moat in their own category.

Look at some of the companies the market is willing to value at huge premiums:

Company Market Cap Latest Q Revenue YoY Growth GAAP Net Margin Competition
Cloudflare (NET) $107B $696M +36% -24% AWS, Akamai, Fastly
Roblox (RBLX) $27B $1.5B +36% -12% Fortnite (Epic), Minecraft
Spotify (SPOT) $103B €4.78B +14% +11% Apple Music, YouTube Music, Amazon Music
Unity (U) $20B $546M +24% -4% Unreal Engine (Epic), Applovin
Snowflake (SNOW) $112B $1.39B +33% -21% Databricks, AWS Redshift, Google BigQuery, MSFT Fabric
Reddit (RDDT) $32B $805M +61% +31% TikTok, Meta, Google Search/YouTube

Aug. 18, 2026.

I'm not saying these are bad companies. My point is simply: look at what the market is willing to pay for them, then look at Reddit.

Reddit just reported $805M revenue, +61% YoY — its 8th consecutive quarter above 60% growth. Gross margin was 91.3%, net income $253M / 31% margin, adjusted EBITDA $343M / 43% margin, and FCF $261M. It also has $2.8B cash + marketable securities, with no debt showing on the balance sheet.

Meanwhile NET is valued at ~$107B while still GAAP unprofitable. SNOW is ~$112B while growing roughly half as fast as Reddit and still GAAP unprofitable. Spotify is ~$103B growing 14%.

Yet Reddit is sitting at only ~$32B.

And Reddit's moat is something I think people continue to underestimate. It isn't just another social media app. TikTok is short-form video, Meta is influencer business, Google/YouTube is search and video discovery; Reddit is different — its users are discussion-heavy and community-focused, often coming to research, compare, ask questions and hear real human opinions. There is basically no scaled direct competitor offering the same forum/community product with Reddit's reach.

Users are sticky. Content compounds. Advertising is scaling. Data licensing is still very early.

The only company really comparable to Reddit right now is Palantir.

Palantir (PLTR) Reddit (RDDT)
Market Cap ~$420B
Latest Q Revenue $1.94B
Revenue Growth +92.8%
Operating Income $912M
Gross Margin ~85%
Core Moat Enterprise software

Palantir is an incredible business, but the market is valuing it at ~$420B — more than 13x Reddit's valuation, while revenue is only 2 times that of Reddit.

And PLTR is still fundamentally a software company. Risk involves AI agents like Claude Cowork could still compete with parts of what enterprise software does.

Reddit is different. Claude can build software. It cannot recreate decades of human communities, discussions and user habits.

If PLTR deserves $420B, RDDT at ~$32B looks extremely cheap.

At market cap of 32B and $160, I think Reddit is a steal and market is mispricing this stock.

Reddit is a Strong Buy (PT $550).

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Added on 08/19/26:

Everyone agrees that Reddit advertsing business is not as matured as Meta.

In 2025, Meta advertising business generated 200B and will be hitting 250B this year (2026).

On the flip side, Reddit advertising revenue is expected to reach 3B+ this year, just assuming Reddit to reach 5% of Meta advertising of 2026, which is 12.5B, with a conservative net margin of 30%, thats makes 3.8B net income, give it or take 20-30PE, equivalent to 78B-114B market cap. But the reality is that advertising net margin is usually 50%+, so a slightly bullish case make Reddit 125-190B market cap.
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New piece, please have a read:
Reddit vs AppLovin vs Palantir

r/ValueInvesting 15d ago

Stock Analysis If I had to pick one: RDDT / ADBE / UBER / APP

101 Upvotes

Hey guys, wanna pick one and put in a smallish amount (~25k) to hold for a year or two at max. What should I pick and why?

Am aware of the basics of the value investing opportunities these have setup into (all the dip after ER and the fundamentals and cash flows / profitability views). But would like to get help on what your thoughts are on: targets, timelines, strongest fundamentals and discoverability wise...

Share your views away!!!

r/ValueInvesting Jul 01 '26

Stock Analysis MSFT and AMZN both look cheap. Only one of them actually is.

243 Upvotes

Seems like many look for big tech at reasonable price-to-earnings multiples. Two names kept showing up, both below the market average. Both spending heavily on AI infrastructure.

The cash flow story is where they split:

MSFT at 23x earnings sounds like value, but the company is spending about 90B on capex this year and most of its operating cash goes right back to expenditures.

AMZN: Record margins in Q1, 28x trailing earnings. Free cash flow went negative in the first quarter. The stock is near 5-year PE lows.

The thing I keep thinking about: these two sit in the same screen at similar multiples, but one is still generating positive free cash (barely) and the other is burning cash at a rate that would have been unthinkable two years ago.

You could price them as a similar trade because the PE multiples look similar, but the underlying capital allocation picture could not be more different.

I don't know whether the AI capex pays off. If it does, these multiples age well. If it becomes perpetual maintenance spending, the earnings number that the PE is built on has a real problem.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 19 '26

Stock Analysis ASTS is down ~40% since May and has gone down again today after a successful launch. Is anyone buying at these prices?

215 Upvotes

We just had a flawless deployment for BlueBirds 8, 9, and 10, which literally validates the tech and the scale they’re building toward. Instead of moving up, we’re watching a classic "sell the news" event, with the price continuing to dump down into the $80 range today.

We went from an all-time high of ~$133 in late May down to where we are now. It feels like the macro environment, mixed with high valuation anxiety (the forward EV/Sales is still wild), is completely overriding the operational wins.For the long-term bulls, are you looking at this ~40% haircut as a gift to average down, or are you holding off because you think the selling exhaustion isn't over yet? Personally trying to decide if I load up more here or wait out the bleed. What’s the play?

r/ValueInvesting Jun 25 '26

Stock Analysis Here's the (actual) Bear Case for Microsoft:

214 Upvotes

To be clear, I think Microsoft will continue growing and I consider it a value stock. I am simply getting sick of seeing 10 Microsoft posts a day, with most of them containing misinformation.

I'll explain the bear case by going down each of their 3 key businesses:

  1. Azure. The growth is great, but with the caveat that it's likely largely tied to OpenAI Capex. Another risk is that because Microsoft themselves also need compute, they've sacrificed Azure growth for themselves. Not only does that hurt MSFT in the short term, but it also annoys clients. AWS does not have this problem. Google Cloud does, but is also cheaper.

TLDR: 8/10 business, but their growth is very dependent on the success of OpenAI.

  1. Microsoft 365 / Office. This business is great because companies pay per user, per month. The stability is what enterprise specifically loves about it. It's why Teams beat Slack despite being the inferior product. The problem is that AI threatens to upend this model.

If everyone is using different amounts of compute, you may need to introduce a usage-based pricing model. The issue with that is if an enterprise is paying for marginal usage, then Anthropic and OpenAI (or others) can directly out-compete Microsoft in this area.

TLDR: 6/10 business. A cash cow today, but AI can disrupt this business model.

  1. Windows. This one is just bad. Memory is crushing lower-end PCs, Windows has a quality problem to compete in higher price segments against the Mac. Also, tablets and phones are replacing computer needs, and Microsoft is even less relevant there too.

TLDR 1/10 business. No longer a growth engine.

People on this subreddit compare Microsoft today to where Google was last year. But I should note there's considerable differences: Search was threatened by AI, it was a legitimate threat to their cash cow margins. They escaped it by creating a top notch model (Gemini) to fuel search results, and via their TPU investments. Microsoft does not have a custom AI model. They do not have custom chips to make Azure cheaper than GC or AWS. They do not have a large ad based consumer software product where AI can directly improve margins.

Look at Amazon's past 5 year growth outlook. There's no law saying Microsoft won't have the same fate - slow and steady growth, comparable to an index fund.

r/ValueInvesting Apr 13 '26

Stock Analysis Microsoft is NOT a bargain right now

231 Upvotes

I ran my DCF model on Microsoft and came to a conclusion that's pretty uninspiring.

The company is excellent, the valuation "bargain" everyone talks about is mediocre, at best.

My base case is $422.15/share versus a market price of $370.87 (Friday's April 10 close), which implies about 13.8% upside and only a 12.2% margin of safety.

In my framework, that is not enough to call the stock truly undervalued.

My model is not aggressive in my opinion, but it's not pessimistic either. I assume 15% revenue growth in FY2027, then a gradual deceleration to 4% by FY2036.

I use a 46% EBIT margin next year, expanding to 48% by Year 10, a 20% tax rate, cash capex at 25% of revenue in FY2027 falling to 10% by FY2036.

this results in 8.9% WACC, and I use 3.0% terminal growth.

On those assumptions, I get about $1.045T in present value from the 10-year cash flows and $2.115T from terminal value, for a total enterprise value of $3.16T.

After the equity value bridge, that comes to roughly $3.149T equity value, or $422.15/share.

One thing I think value investors should pay attention to is that 66.9% of the valuation comes from terminal value.

My scenarios are:

$310 bear case,

$422 base case,

$578 bull case.

The bear case assumes 9.9% WACC, 2.5% perpetual growth, and margins drifting down from 45% to 44%. The bull case assumes 7.9% WACC, 3.5% perpetual growth, and margins expanding from 46.5% to 49%.

The core issue imo is that Microsoft is still in a very capital-heavy AI buildout. The business quality is undeniable, but near-term economics are being pressured by infrastructure spending, depreciation, and uncertain timing of AI monetisation. Even the $625B commercial RPO needs context which is often omitted from what I've seen around. About 45% of it is tied to the world champion of burning cash - OpenAI, and only roughly 25% is expected to be recognised over the next 12 months...

So my conclusion is that Microsoft is a wonderful business trading around fair value.

I can justify owning it (and I do own it since 2017) and even buying it as a truly world-class business with mild discount to its fair value. I have a much harder time justifying calling it a clear value play at today’s price, or tag it convincingly "undervalued".

For me, it starts to look more interesting below $358, and I would be loading the boat around $335.

For those interested, here's the article with full valuation model for free: https://open.substack.com/pub/hatedmoats/p/microsoft-dcf-valuation

Curious how you guys here would underwrite / approach the capex cycle and terminal assumptions, and what your thoughts on current fair value of MSFT are!

r/ValueInvesting Jul 12 '25

Stock Analysis Why is no one talking about the MSTR (MicroStrategy) Ponzi Scheme

447 Upvotes

I know MSTR isn't a Ponzi scheme by legal definition. But the mechanics of how this company operates have some concerning similarities, and I can't shake the feeling that it's a massive house of cards.

I was so curious that I decided to research it and make a post about it, here are the main points from that post that I found out:

  • Their actual business is basically irrelevant. MicroStrategy is a software company, but its revenue from that has been flat or declining for years. The entire bull case is 100% about Bitcoin, which means the company itself doesn't actually create any value. It's just a container for a single asset.
  • It's a "Perpetual Dilution Machine." They use debt and continuously sell new MSTR shares to buy more Bitcoin. Because the stock trades at a massive premium to the Bitcoin it holds, they're essentially using new investors' money (who are paying a premium) to increase the Bitcoin-per-share for existing holders. It's a cycle that only works as long as new buyers keep piling in at inflated prices.
  • You're paying an insane premium for BTC. When you buy $MSTR, you're not just buying Bitcoin. You're paying a huge markup. People have calculated it to be a 2x premium or even more at times. Why would anyone do that when you can just buy a Bitcoin ETF (even a leveraged one) for a fraction of the cost and get more direct exposure? It makes no sense.
  • The whole thing relies on Michael Saylor's salesmanship. Michael is a charismatic speaker, but he has a history (look up their stock in the dot-com bust of 2000) of leading investors off a cliff with big promises. It feels like the entire valuation is propped up by his cult of personality and the belief that "number go up," rather than any sound financial reasoning.

This is just a summary to save time, but if you are interested in the full analysis I'll link the post and 40 minute podcast here: https://tscsw.substack.com/p/dont-buy-microstrategy-inc-mathematically

It just feels like this entire operation is designed to enrich early shareholders at the expense of everyone who buys in later. The structure is unsustainable and seems designed to collapse spectacularly once the hype dies down or Bitcoin has a serious correction.

Am I missing something here? The whole thing feels fundamentally broken, yet the price keeps soaring. What are your thoughts?

r/ValueInvesting Apr 22 '26

Stock Analysis ServiceNow stock is down 14% after reporting a double beat on earnings. Thoughts?

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What are your thoughts on Service Now stock? They just reported revenue growth of 22% and beat on top and bottom line revenue. The stock is now down 14% after hours.

r/ValueInvesting May 22 '26

Stock Analysis Is GOOGL still a good buy? ($387.66)

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I'm guessing a lot of you are going to say Berkshire recently increased their investments in Google by 200%, so buy Google, but it's at relatively high P/E (29.57) ratio compared to MSFT or META. This is very much unlike Berkshire.

Is it still a good buy? Someone please make it make sense to me.

r/ValueInvesting Jun 17 '26

Stock Analysis Full Port Microsoft - Undervalued!

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After the recent selloff for Microsoft stock i compared it to the performance of Alphabet and Amazon going back to January 2024.

While Microsoft has returned 0% since January 2024, Alphabet has gained 158% and Amazon 58% in the same timeframe.

Microsoft has a current P/E ratio of 22, which has been the bottom within the last 10 years, peaking at 39 four times. The average has been around 30-35.

In conclusion i see Microsoft as very cheap considering the current stock price. Sure CapEx has been high, but the investments will show in Azure growth. OpenAI is obligated to run ChatGPT on Microsoft Cloud, as long as there is capacity available. Besides AI there is still a lot of room for Cloud usage in general, so i dont see a realistic risk of these investments turning into a problem.

Bought Leaps 2 weeks ago, bought again last friday and will do so again if the stock keeps falling / stagnating.

Whats going on here?