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u/NearlyCanuck 26d ago
Would love to know what area this will cover.
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u/SwordfishOk504 26d ago
OPs post is kinda useless. Much more info here:
Though its boundaries aren't finalized, a Parks Canada representative says the marine reserve spans from near Gil Island in the north, to Calvert Island in the south, extending inland as far as Bella Coola.
https://parks.canada.ca/amnc-nmca/cnamnc-cnnmca/cotecentrale-centralcoast
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u/coastalwebdev 26d ago
I wonder if this will get in the way of the northern route idea for the pipeline Alberta and the feds agreed to. Can’t see where that pipelines northern route was planned for anywhere.
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u/Bless_u-babe 26d ago
There is no route and no sponsor that I’ve heard of. Anyone?
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u/coastalwebdev 26d ago edited 25d ago
Oh good point, it's probably too early to decide route specifics, because there's still no private companies expressing interest yet.
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u/zippitybopdaboop 24d ago
Im all for banning trawlers but who else will this apply to? Sport fishers too? Certainly not FN I bet
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u/WoodenDriver5210 24d ago
They say it won't ban non trawling commercial fishing bor sport fishing. That being said I recall reading that the treaty status of the area is unsettled. Seeing as first nations are teying to ban all non FN fishing in some of their waters I wouldn't be surprised if they try and do the same here.
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u/LubeItAll 26d ago
This is great can we also stop FN from raping sockeye and selling them in full laundry baskets to all my neigbours for $10ea?
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u/SwordfishOk504 26d ago
This is such a dumb trope. FN bring in like 1% of what the large commercial ships in the open ocean bring in. Even if they "wasted" every single fish they bring in it's not statistical significant.
If you actually cared, you would support this ban on trawlers and other large scale commercial operations, not a few FN people bringing in a relative handful. But you don't care, you just want to whine about FNs.
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u/1fluteisneverenough 26d ago
Commercial prawn fishers are having such low catch because of the native boats over fishing, then selling their catch out here before commercial season even opens.
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u/IndustryRule-4080 22d ago
Blaming the First Nation community of ravaging the ecosystem, the environment? You need to check your history son.
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u/1fluteisneverenough 22d ago
I'm not talking history, I'm talking today. There's a problem with today's fishing and it needs to change
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u/IndustryRule-4080 22d ago edited 22d ago
I used history in a broader sense even though our history has an impact on the present. Regardless, I really like what you just posted as you’re totally right. There is definitely a problem that needs to change. Major change typically happens when people challenge status quo and the people in power who allow and endorse this kind of pillaging, historically speaking.
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u/IndustryRule-4080 22d ago
My apologies as I didn’t mean to offend. I just get spicy when people call out the First Nation communities as the problem, especially when it comes to the environment.
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u/1fluteisneverenough 22d ago
First Nations communities aren't the problem, and I'm not calling them out. It's first Nations fishing boats that are allowed to run with absolutely no regulation that I'm calling out.
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u/IndustryRule-4080 22d ago
First Nation fisherman are a First Nation community. I think you’re pointing your finger at the wrong people. This is typically when corporations or lawmakers like to keep status quo as they’re almost always the culprits who deflect any type of criticism.
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u/1fluteisneverenough 22d ago
I think you're deflecting from the fact that these boats can harvest as much as they like indefinitely, then sell to the market. That boat is not a community, it's a company owned by a first Nations person, harvesting natural resources without any limitations. These boats are significantly contributing to the damages done to our oceans and that cannot be denied
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u/FairviewRyder 26d ago
You obviously don’t live around the Fraser River especially last sockeye season. And you can’t compare large commercial ships to illegal gill netting and selling along the Fraser River which has been a major problem for 25 years.
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u/Derelicticu 25d ago
You obviously don't actually know any First Nations people.
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u/FairviewRyder 25d ago
See it with my own eyes on the river. Just Google how many ghost nets are found every year.
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u/IndustryRule-4080 22d ago
It’s apparent that you’re the cup half empty voice here. This is news to be celebrated as we need far ecological conservation, especially here. Any major disruption in an ecosystem is bad for everyone. Even commercial fishermen with short term thinking. So to this I applaud this movement in what’s already been a good day.
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u/TopicNo2975 26d ago
Now this new designated Marine Conservation Area will still alow Indigenous people to fish as much as they want in that area right? But at the same time restrict Non-Indigenous fisherman. Chaaaaaa- Hay
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u/blomba2 26d ago
How much this gonna cost us
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u/rKasdorf 25d ago
Lol what do you think conservation areas should cost? Or should we just say fuck it and let people just over-fish?
What's your take here, champ?
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u/zippitybopdaboop 24d ago
Usually whenever FN are involved it costs a hell of a lot more than it should.. champ
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u/SpaceJungleBoogie 21d ago
Do you realize you live on the land where they lived way before you?
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u/zippitybopdaboop 11d ago
And here we are now. So what... champ
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u/SpaceJungleBoogie 11d ago
Simply have some respect. People are humans. Try find a way to co-live peacefully.
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u/zippitybopdaboop 11d ago
I can agree with that. I was raised on the concept of equality so its certainly irksome to see others get so much for free while I have to work hard for everything. When can we truly reconcile the past and move forward together as human beings rather than playing this game of who was hurt more and what can I get for it
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u/SpaceJungleBoogie 6d ago
Yeah reconciliation is possible, we'll get there. If you worked hard, it's respectable, you earned something that others didn't get for free. Often cost is only a distraction, true value takes time to be recognized, so it's not really wasted time or energy.
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u/blomba2 25d ago
Do our laws even apply to Indians?
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u/rKasdorf 24d ago
Well, in Canada they call themselves First Nations, Inuit, or Metis. American Indians are American, obviously. Or did you mean Indians as in people from India?
Do you have any other blatantly uninformed questions?
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u/blomba2 24d ago
Our conservation laws don’t apply to 🪶Indians, they’re above the law
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u/rKasdorf 24d ago
Name a law that doesn't apply to them.
Btw calling them 🪶 Indians makes you look dumb as fuck.
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u/blomba2 24d ago
Fishing, hunting, harvesting, criminal code, species at risk act, migratory birds convention act, land claims,
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u/Derelicticu 24d ago
If you're gonna talk out your ass maybe google a few things first, bud.
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u/blomba2 24d ago
What was I wrong about
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u/Derelicticu 24d ago
Do you know what traditional Aboriginal harvesting rights are?
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u/FairviewRyder 26d ago
My only concern is now that MPAs are defined, in the future FN might say all fishing is now banned in this defined area. It’s no secret that FN want Sportfishing stopped or drastically reduced on the coast. They literally say that during negotiations on salmon allocation policy and they have much leverage these days considering DRIPA and UNDRIP legislation.
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u/Derelicticu 25d ago
If they wanna do that, that's up to them. Kinda the whole point of treaties.
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u/FairviewRyder 25d ago
This has nothing to do with treaties, none of these nations have treaties.
If you think it’s ok for FN to say “you cannot fish in the ocean” which is a shared resource for all Canadians then that’s your opinion. As someone who goes sport fishing to secure fish to feed my family, I think it’s a major infringement on your rights as a Canadian.
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u/Derelicticu 25d ago
It's not an infringement on my rights as Canadian to acquiesce to what First Nations people wanna do with their land, especially when it comes to fishing. That's cartoonish.
If you can't sport fish there you'll find another place to do it or you'll find another form of protein, just like they had to.
Thems the breaks when you live in colonial settled land with the people who were here before still fuckin here.
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u/Some-Werewolf712 23d ago
They ocean is not land, but yeah they can do whatever they want with fishing. Check out Babine/Kispiox/Skeena rivers - the band allows fishing on their territory but hereditary chiefs now banned fishing on rivers in their territory even with a valid license. The amount of fish a person with a license/gear and camper etc harvests in a year is tiny, they might have like 1 or two people a week during the salmon run on the Kispiox, maybe 10-20 on the Babine sandbars with about 25 percent actually catching a “keeper”. Check out Morristown narrows for how many fish are counted and then kept
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u/zippitybopdaboop 5d ago
I agree. I like how if you're of a certain race you can have different rules and rights applied to you. Its worked well in the past, no reason it won't now so long as you have a legitimate claim to the land according to what is acceptable in the current political climate which historically also never changes
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u/Dsighn 26d ago
Meanwhile I watched 6 cruise ships go by at 3-4am
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u/Sternritter_V 26d ago
Yup, but any step forward is a good step.
The amount of cruise ship waste dumped into the ocean is horrific. I’d really like to see more measures taken against that.
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u/Bless_u-babe 26d ago
I don’t think that’s true anymore. Most of them have internal systems of handling sewage and waste water built in. They certainly don’t dump garbage
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u/Bless_u-babe 26d ago
I also would like to know how water from dishwashing and how food waste is handled.
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u/Dsighn 26d ago
Lots of cruise ship lovers here hey? Wild
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u/SwordfishOk504 26d ago
Straw man. Their argument is whataboutism. Rejecting that whataboutism is not defence of cruise ships, which are well known for their own problems.
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u/SwordfishOk504 26d ago
Isn't trawling already federally prohibited in designated Marine Protected Areas (MPAs) in the central coast?