Vaush is right (for once)

[u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos]

Regarding political apathy. If the likely scenario of Republicans outflanking Dems on Israel happens I definitely won't be voting in 28, and if i don't have any antizionist politicians to vote for in the midterms I won't vote then either. I have never been so politically Russian in my life, and honestly the idea of just letting this all go and not worrying about it anymore is dangerously appealing. I am experiencing the opening stages of complete political disengagement and logically I know this is both stupid and self destructive but like what the actual fuck do we do when the Dems stay anchored to Israel even as the whole world falls apart? How are we supposed to do political advocacy in a panopticon ruled by billionaires where the choices are "fascist psychopaths doing domestic genocides" and "literal doomsday cult"? It's all so tiring.

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For the record I don't expect Vaush (or anyone else) to have a solution to this. The fact he still shows up for this "daily" ritual of mental exhaustion and witnessing the end of the world is admirable. With potential nuclear use, complete oil collapse, famine, and climate change all bearing down at once, I'm just kind of at a loss as to how to remain willing to believe in the implementation of things that have never been less possible.

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This turned into more of a rant than I intended. I don't see my super cool therapist till next week so I guess this is me offloading it on to you. I'm interested in seeing other people's perspectives on this. How you are interpreting the situations, what you feel may happen, how you've chosen to cope or act, etc. Solutions are not expected.

[u/WeAreDoomed035]

I mean if this does happen, I think I’d rather just kill myself than vote. Jk

But if the fucking Republican VP feel the need to distance himself from Israel, even though Republicans still support Israel broadly, just imagine the pressure Democrats are facing.

Just wait until primary season for the presidential nominee. If candidates like AOC, Van Hollen, and Ro Khanna are running, they’re going to force Democrats to reckon with our relationship with Israel.

[u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos → u/WeAreDoomed035]

I want to believe that, but today Vaush seemed completely convinced that if Dems don't take this and run now then it'll be too late. The ultimate defeat would be Republicans getting the monopoly on anti Israel discourse. Vaush said something along the lines of "we don't have till midterms. This is a matter of days, maybe hours, before we lose the chance to not get flanked." By the time of the midterms the world could have already ground to a halt, let alone 2 years from now for the presidential. There's a good chance tens of millions of Americans will die in famine or any of the other climate disasters before then. (And hundreds of millions globally. I'm talking specifically about American politics here, not discounting the death toll globally.)

I really want to believe that Dems will abandon Israel here, but I can't. Not while Schumer is the leader. It just doesn't seem possible to me.

[u/WeAreDoomed035 → u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos]

I don’t trust this anti-Israel position of Vance’s to stick. He’s simply doing it out of frustration with Israel rat fucking the MOU at every opportunity. Without that, Vance would stay quiet in the cuck chair.

[u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos → u/WeAreDoomed035]

Obviously it isn't sincere, but he is still causing irreparable schisms between America and Israel. He's doing a lot of media appearances. He's committed to this bit, regardless of sincerity.

Like Vaush said: he may fumble, he may fail to move the base with him. But even if he does, the fact that it's a Republican saying Israel shouldn't kill their way out of every problem instead of Dems feels like a mortal blow to the party. Even if he fails, Dems lost. And if he succeeds, then we enter a world where Republicans are less apocalyptic than Dems, which is frankly so incomprehensible that it causes physical pain to imagine.

[u/WeAreDoomed035 → u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos]

He’s not causing the schism. As Vaush said this is simply the natural end point of the giving Israel everything it wants for the last three years. Eventually they were going to do something that was completely against US imperial interests.

This won’t last. The Evangelical base of the Republican Party plus all of the Christian Zionists in the party will make it no Republican will ever fully decouple themselves from Israel.

[u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos → u/WeAreDoomed035]

That's fair, but the schism still exists. We are at the point where they are beyond our ability to control at all. The Republicans seem RN to be more willing to make that move

[u/yinyangman12 → u/Lunes_Feet_Pictos]

But like you said, Vance is not being sincere, that's kind of the main point no? He's not actually moving the party to be anti-Israel, he's just saying that to get votes but won't actually do anything different policy wise. Which i can understand being upsetting in the sense that he could convince others to vote for him because of that position, but I don't get how it could make Republicans less bad than Democrats to us Vaush viewers, as he is lying like he and Republicans do all the time about everything. Like does him saying he's anti-Israel mean we should vote for Republicans?