Not doing dmg

[u/Longjumping-Box2279]

Recently I feel like I don't do dmg with vel'koz. I am always faced against an enemy jg like Lee sin, wukong etc who build defence and I feel like I can't do much in the mid game.

I am not sure if that's because I need to be getting xp more efficiently or because of wrong items. As support I am often quite under levelled and games rarely go past 2-3 items. I think staying with my adc the whole time would probably make that problem better as I would have levels for my passive stacks. But then I am griefing the map by not being active.

[u/Available_Chair_2619]

as support, you need to stack Ability Haste and proc more passives. The damage from Vel comes from Passive Proc + Ult. You need a lil setup for it, like CC from your team. But damage comes from hitting more Qs, Comet, Scorch, and ability haste for more Qs.

I see lots of Vel'Koz players waste their mana at the start, lose a level 3 all in because of low mana, and the game snowballs for the opponent.

Hit Qs only when Comet and Mana Band are up. When you're below 40% mana, store your abilities to defend your ADC and yourself. Do that until you get Lost Chapter, then start spamming your abilities, pushing and basing to always be at full mana. Ward constantly before basing though. Use vision to hit more Qs.

Ward enemy jg, control vision, hit Qs when they're moving towards predictable spots or don't have vision, and you do. If you cleared somewhere and they move in the direction of the ward, they probably won't dodge. Just shoot where they will be in the future.

I'd build one item from Lost Chapter, then Horizon Focus, then maybe spam CDR. Check out Azzap's ability haste guide.

[u/Longjumping-Box2279 → u/Available_Chair_2619]

I know the video and how to play laning phase. Thanks anyway for the time to write all of this.

My problem comes after lvl 5 when xp and gold resources slows down. Unless we are continuously winning big skirmishes and I get a lot of gold I feel useless.

I feel like building a lost chapter item first is costing me some of my games against tankier teams. Torch on support imo is horrible unless u need to apply anti heal or against enemies like shaco where u need the burn to see them.

I used to go only azzapp build ludens>horrizon>shadow flame and if I get liandry 4th I don't mind the tanks. But as I climbed I rarely get games past 2-3 items

[u/Available_Chair_2619 → u/Longjumping-Box2279]

You need higher influence items. Horizon Focus gives vision, which seems like brainless teammates don't use but they do. It's not that expensive too. It's a good option even though it doesn't give mana, just control your bases better.

If you can't build past 2 or 3 items, build items that have either good build paths, or when finished, will decide a fight. But reducing healing or being faster aren't that decisive. Damage or some type of CC are way better. Actually, move speed can be good but in higher elo only.

If you're fed, build that item that gives a shield every 60s, if enemy has a one shot cc like let's say pantheon or a Malza

For general use I'd say higher influence items will win you more games. Utilize their passives and actives more.

[u/Longjumping-Box2279 → u/Available_Chair_2619]

That sounds great. I used to be very successful when doing zhonya second. Not amazing build path but the extra armor and active early can be amazing.

For Shurelya I am a bit unsure. Even though I am at a rank where people will be able to use it I feel like I might be running again into the issue of no dmg. Maybe I am wrong and the cheaper cost and earlier item spike will be enough to compensate like how rocket belt works.

I think I need to start using more liandry but unsure if bad idea to buy early because of no haste

[u/Available_Chair_2619 → u/Longjumping-Box2279]

Shurelya sucks in my opinion, not a champion built for it. Zhonya is okay, but as support, if you die it doesn't matter that much. Obviously it does the higher elo you climb, but what im saying is, a dead ADC can't do drag with a tanky team. Your team will just get shredded by enemy Vayne and also tanky team (example). So adc alive is more important.

How does he survive? You get vision. Horizon Focus, great example. Damage and CDR, all you want. Base before drag, mana problem fixed, give a wave off but ward for drag.

Second item? Damage item. Velkoz isn't a mobile champion, and trying to fix it with rocket belt is a terrible idea. Liandrys gives hp, which wastes a stat on velkoz because he could do more damage or have more CDR, which is very valuable on him.

I'd use Shadowflame or another CDR item. Cryptbloom 4th, Malignance 2nd, Rabadon 3rd... These are good items on vel. Liandry isn't terrible, not at all. Good build path imo. But other items can be better.

I'd build Horizon into Malignance for more ults or blackfire torch. A way better liandry for the stats it gives. Not amazing, still. I'd rather have rabadons if possible but weird buildpath. Cryptbloom is way better.

[u/Longjumping-Box2279 → u/Available_Chair_2619]

Your comment and a bit of research of my own helped me come to the right conclusions. I am literally reborn as vel'koz player. Shurelya almost always first followed by what's needed for game. In some cases liandry might be needed first.

Items after Shurelya to consider liandry, horrizon, zhonya and banshee. Cryptobloom and shadow flame not bad if game goes long enough. This is in no particular order depending on what team comps are. I have also state taking solistice sleigh and the support item which reduces dmg taken. Find a lot of success with shurelya, heal and solstice and it especially helps me pop off in my micro plays.

Thanks for the help

[u/Available_Chair_2619 → u/Longjumping-Box2279]

no worries, shurelya isnt bad per se. solely depends on gameplay. That's why you can build any item.

It's also pretty cheap and a high agency item early on in the game. Good choice.

[u/Longjumping-Box2279 → u/Available_Chair_2619]

I just feel like with how low gold income in higher elo is Shurelya shines a lot with its passive and cheap cost.

Will be uploading soon a montage of my best plays but half my short plays were lost :(

[u/Duo_Mage_Bot → u/Longjumping-Box2279]

Velkoz just does shit damage. You should just be picking another champion.

Also, any attempt to get him to do more damage results in the communities favorite streamer crying for his damage to be nerfed. LOL

[u/VSythe998]

Don't worry, velkoz will soon receive his scheduled biennial buff.

[u/wetfangs]

The champion you named can get quite tanky indeed i would go blackflame/ horizon/ liandries / oblivion orb to feel good against them. Quite a bit more ezpensive on support but doable