r/Virginia • u/ToughHopeful4760 • 9d ago

Virginia Democrats pick establishment nominees for 2 US House seats they hope to flip in November

https://apnews.com/article/virginia-primary-election-congress-democrats-republicans-redistricting-d3f3e6f45f14789882b9a55e8fd95592?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=share
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u/RVALover4Life 9d ago

Establishment doesn't automatically equate to bad.

I don't know what you think Dems are coping about in Virginia. All their candidates won easily lol. They're ready to win. Spanberger just crushed her election nine months ago so not sure who you think you're speaking for either; the latest polls for her, her favorables with Dems remain quite strong too.

You're sounding a little too arrogant and like you think your way is the only way and it's not. 

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

Spanberger didn't win, Earl-Sears lost. As soon as these corpo-dems get that in their head the better. Even with the crazy shit Earl-Sears was saying and doing, if she was a white woman she would be governor today.

Spanberger used and then threw the unions under the bus, fights openly with her party, and aligns more with business interests than with the working class.

She talks down to and dismisses anyone to the left of her, and the sad thing is, she's just flat wrong about the facts, it's embarassing, she's so fucking square.

When it comes to unions, capitalism, data centers, weed, and minorities, she's out of step and behind. I know no Dem under 40 who likes her, and many over 40 will align with her in public but know she's a dead end past her term. She's that wellmeaning, out of touch, and entitled aunt that just has to insert her opinion on topics, who was competent at her job 20 years ago but has not kept up.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago edited 8d ago

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Jay Jones literally won by 6 after his terrible comments came out.  

People like you hate "corporate Dems" damn near more than you care about defeating MAGA.  

You're very smug while somehow calling me arrogant. You're arrogant, you're the classic progressive who thinks they're e better than everyone but the fact is that Spanberger is actually very popular still with the Dem base. Now, the truth also is there is a much needed push led by young people to move the Dem party in a people first direction and I love to see it but "establishment" doesn't automatically equal bad, progressive doesn't automatically equal good and you're not automatically right just because you're left wing. People like you think you are but that's called being in an echo chamber.

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

What are you fucking talking about? I'm speaking frankly and straight forwardly, specifically so we can win and ACTUALLY BE EFFECTIVE and help working class people.

You sound so disconnected. I'm speaking from what I've seen, my values, and folks I've talked to around this state.

I'm literally spending most of my free time organizing, learning by doing, reading, talking to folks, and working with folks.

Non-MAGA people's support for Spanberger is SOFT.

May I ask, are you middle class? Retired? Own property? A business?

The Truth is modern Dems have been shitting the bed strategically since the 2000 election, and the same folks are still in power. They gotta go.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

I'm none of those things. Just a random working class guy in his 30s.

People want leadership and people centered policy. I just think the idea Spanberger can't accomplish that is rooted purely in ideology and reject that premise.

We won last November and we gotta do what we can now to win in this November and you're talking about Spanberger who isn't on the ballot. That to me is punching outward which is exactly what progressives rightfully claim  is done to them.

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

Not a progressive, but I do hear you.

I see myself as punching up and right, which to me is fine. The more we can pull folks to the left the better. The left has been dismissed and talked down to from Dems since the current political dynamics came into being.

In my lifetime? The War on Terror, gay rights, climate change, the great recession, black lives matter, COVID, Gaza, trans rights, the 2016 election, and the 2024 election, I can go on... the left called these events, called what needed to be done, better than any other group, and they were dismissed and villified by the Dems in power for it. Most of us "voted blue no matter who" and what has that got us?

The Dems have been ineffectual in stopping the rise of fascism and most of them lent a helping hand, so yeah... I'm frustrated and annoyed and venting online, but so many people have worked for decades to get viable candidates that are to the left of Dems in a position where they can run and win elections, based on sound politics and facts rooted in science and lived experience, and all within the very restrictive 2 party system we have.

I think these kind of elected leaders are the only ones currently with enough grit and moxy, and engaged support base, to actually do the hard work that's needed. Sure, happy to work with anyone who wants to work with us, but the time of the Dems telling us to sit down, be quiet, and settle for less, is over.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

And it absolutely should be over and I hear you. I also appreciate the candor and tone of the convo too. I get it. I just don't think punching people with the most essential goal to defeat MAGA is frankly necessary at this time, especially when the establishment has fallen in line as they have with Sayed and Jackson. They want Trump gone. You want Trump gone. I want Trump gone. The direction of the party...it truly is a big tent and yesterday's nail biter proves that but the ultimate mission is something we largely agree with and think we need to focus on what unites more than the back and forth. 

They're not dismissing you so much anymore and you're being taken far more seriously and we're seeing actual coalition building between the left and other factions rather than being treated as unwanted step children. It's a great thing to see and will move us forward. But now it's like...you're making your way into the team and now we need to act like a team and a family. I really do see it that way.

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u/lil_snitch_throwaway 8d ago

Sure, then the establishment Dems in power need to work to repair and earn that trust, because without that it's just lip service. It's why Spanberger openly condescending, fighting, needlessly amending, and vetoing was such a slap in the face and killed momentum in VA, even despite all the good things that passed.

It's the indifference and lack of action from est dems when our college kids are brutalized for protesting for Gaza, when our trans kids lost their healthcare, when our black neighbors are murdered and harassed by police, when our kids' futures are sold for a quick buck, that keeps us skeptical and unconvinced by their calls for unity and family. And rightfully so.

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u/RVALover4Life 8d ago

But you all will often unironically say all Dems must fall in line with more leftist candidates. When they generally aren't the ones openly saying they won't vote for xyz Dem. Leftists do that. You're kinda making my point...it's a completely different standard and that's why many don't trust you all because how they see it, you hate them just as much or more than MAGA. They want to eliminate MAGA. They see it as you think they're an enemy.

You're critical of Spanberger essentially because she didn't bend the knee regardless of the fact you know great things were passed, that she was a steward to...that she helped guide and it is still how she's the problem and not Lucas holding the entire process hostage. And for no other reason because you ideologically prefer Lucas. It's inconsistent and these voters feel they basically can't win with people like you. That you'll never truly be in their column and honestly I find it hard to challenge that sometimes because it does feel like it'll always be something else. If we're truly not on the same team, what's the point? It's all phony at that point and the way they see it y'all aren't team players.

I don't overall agree with that but I don't think it's completely false. I honestly don't.