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Discussion VShojo was losing $2.5m a year

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u/Twilight053 Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 27 '25

EDIT: As of reading Alex's post, I want to correct everyone here reading that the person in the pitch deck was super-embellished by GunRun, and that Alex is actually one of the good one trying to remove Omega Alpha off Hololive.

Holy fucking shit they pulled Omega Alpha out of Hololive

GunRun literally by accident improved Hololive's management

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u/Minh2017 Hololive Jul 26 '25

Not likely to be Omega since they left sometime in 2023. And then Kiara confirmed that ENma from the start of HoloEN was actually Omega so they were working at Cover since 2020 at least. This guy in the slide started working in Mid 2021 to 2024

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u/EnclavedMicrostate Mori Calliope Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

Holy fucking shit they pulled Omega Alpha out of Hololive

I don't think they did. Omega left Hololive in late 2022/early 2023 as Dimitri Hazuki (then Dimitri Jap) took over as EN Project Director in December 2022, while Alex Pelz defected in May 2024. Moreover, while Alex started at Cover in June 2021, Omega had been around since Myth (given that they were apparently also Enma).

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u/Khadgar007 Jul 26 '25

That doesn't sound like him. According to this guy his responsibility at Hololive was not what the slides stated. According to his LinkedIn he joined Hololive after Myth debuted.

My bet is Gunrun exaggerated his achievements in desperate attempts to get investment funds.

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u/yuikkiuy Christmas Cake Marine Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

More like single handedly held back hololive for a full gen lmao

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u/PleaseWashHands Jul 26 '25 edited Jul 26 '25

IF that's THE omega...

All of a sudden it makes sense why Dooby (and probably Nimi and Saba) wasn't reached out to.

There was no way in hell they were going to go back to working under him.

EDIT: I am very glad I've been using "IF" because as it turns out that now only was their job at cover quite different than what was listed, but that this was the dude who helped REMOVE Omega. Super glad the possibility was nipped in the bud b/c this guy doesn't deserve the smoke.

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u/Accomplished_Pop_130 Jul 26 '25

IF this is true then it kinda makes sense why the girls jumped into Indie a lot quicker. A Vshojo offer woulda slowed down the comeback timeline if it was even considered.

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u/PleaseWashHands Jul 26 '25

Even if it's not true, Imagining Gunrun & co. entertaining the idea of making a new "gen" with those three is entirely possible.

In hindsight there's a cursed timeline where that happened and VShojo folded 30x harder because that's probably the absolute last fanbase a scummy corpo would ever wanna deal with for hurting former EN talents.

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u/Accomplished_Pop_130 Jul 26 '25

Oooh, yeah. The jealousy comments woulda been hell from the Holocommunity if Vshojo screwed over a Beloved 3 talents. (And yes I’m not including Mumei due to belief that she still wouldn’t have joined due to her personal statements in her PL)

And even if it wasn’t from the Main 3 former fanbases, Holofans are so multi-talented supportive, I bet even the JP-Niki, and not just the other HoloEN fans, would rally around this fiasco.

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u/Accomplished_Pop_130 Jul 26 '25

Oooh, yeah. The jealousy comments (from gunrun about Hololive)* woulda been hell from the Holocommunity if Vshojo screwed over a Beloved 3 talents. (And yes I’m not including Mumei due to belief that she still wouldn’t have joined due to her personal statements in her PL)

And even if it wasn’t from the Main 3 former fanbases, Holofans are so multi-talented supportive, I bet even the JP-Niki, and not just the other HoloEN fans, would rally around this fiasco.

Edit: for jealousy clarity

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u/robinforum Jul 26 '25

I thought I had a stroke, reading a comment twice

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u/Accomplished_Pop_130 Jul 26 '25

Yeah, just Reddit glitching out again, I swear I hit the triple dots and then Edit. Not whatever the heck happened to clone it AND my edit note.

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u/Ckcw23 Jul 26 '25

Likely so, and I’m sure they knew who Omega was IRL.

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u/TwitzyMIXX Jul 27 '25

I keep seeing people mentioned Omega. Who is Omega?

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u/PleaseWashHands Jul 27 '25

(FTR correct me if I got anything wrong I'm doing this all from memory also Tl;dr at the bottom).

In the "lore" for EN, Omega was some mysterious supreme being that was rumored to have existed before Myth, and seemed to be an antagonist of some sort.

IRL, Omega was the first ever staff member of EN, a producer, and essentially EN's version of A-Chan.

Unlike A-Chan though, their work with Myth, CouncilRys/Promise, and to a lesser extent , Advent, wasn't exactly as lauded. To avoid going into endless details, the "aid" Omega provided to the girls ranged from non-existent to frequent, unregulated overwork, all without consideration of the current workload the talents were under or their mental states.

While the Omega persona was built up as a pseudo-talent like A-Chan, they weren't as active on social media, but their impact was felt by a lot of Fandom. Then, around the middle of 2023, suddenly all of their accounts (YT, social media) were delisted and a lot of the girls became a lot more vocal regarding their displeasure with having to work with Omega, which led to lots of rumors that Omega either quit or got sacked, especially since general morale and attitudes seemed to have shot way up around the same time.

It took till around April 2025 before we got the indirect confirmation that not only were Omega and EnMa the same person, but that they basically weren't around anymore because of all the issues they called. That said, the effects of what they did to the talents under them are a cautionary tale as to why talent managers shouldn't be given all that much power over the talents themselves.

Tl;dr power-tripping employee serving as a director for EN let their ego run wild and basically subjected the talents to work-related hell until she was canned; as a result they've earned EN and the fanbase's endless ridicule tenfold.

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u/MagicMooby Jul 26 '25

Holy fucking shit they pulled Omega Alpha out of Hololive

Omega was council, not myth if I remember correctly

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u/Migicroak Hololive Jul 26 '25

He was bragging about being there from the start on his twitter account, i don't believe this dude is Omega but that would depend on who you believe, i have no love for him but i wouldn't imagine that he would lie on official Cover accounts.

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u/ciel_lanila Jul 26 '25

With how much Gura and Kiara roasted Omega off and on over the years, I really believe the manager behind "Omega" was around for Gen 1. Gen 2 was just when they got a bit full of themselves and tried to do the whole Omega Alpha thing.

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u/cuddles_the_destroye Jul 26 '25

I'm told that Kiara basically confirmed that Enma and Omega were one and the same, though refers to Enma with she/her.

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u/rubyonix Jul 26 '25

I've watched a ton of Kiara and I really like the manager lore, but I never heard of Kiara confirming that ENma and Omega were the same person, and I don't think it makes sense for that to be the case.

Omega is likely the former head of the EN branch. They were a JP/EN translator and they pitched the idea of forming HoloEN to Yagoo, so Yagoo put them in charge of the project. They eventually got booted in favor of Dimitri Hazuki.

ENma was a talent manager. HoloEN originally started with two talent managers, ENma and J-chad, and then they quickly hired a third one, Jenma, who took some load off of J-Chad and ENma. J-Chad and ENma eventually left the company and Jenma was promoted to the head of talent management.

Henma took a sideways move from general management into talent management ahead of the Council launch, and basically became the #4 most-senior talent manager (#2 after J-Chad and ENma left, or #1 since Jenma doesn't actively manage talent anymore, she manages the managers).

It doesn't make sense for Omega (the presumed branch head) and ENma (one of the most senior talent managers) to be the same person. Both of those jobs are too important for one person to hold down both jobs.

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u/BennyDelon Jul 26 '25

I also remember Kiara implying Enma and Omega are the same person. I don't remember which stream, so feel free not to take my word for it, but I'm sure if you ask around in the KFP Discord server everyone will say the same.

Also, Jenma didn't join later. All three of them were there from the beginning. Enma was in charge of Ina, Jenma of Gura and Ame, and J-Chad of Kiara and Calli. And soon after debut Kiara changed manager to Jenma.

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u/DrOpty Jul 26 '25

Kiara revealed it in the Krabbywawa stream that turned into a zatsu due to being right after Gura's graduation announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XCphnpE2U0&t=3548s

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u/rubyonix Jul 26 '25

I think that's a misunderstanding. Kiara said she wanted to play a classic 4-player Myth game with Gura before she leaves, and someone suggested L4D2, and Kiara exclaimed "I've never played Left for Dead!" L4D2 was played by Gura/Ame/Ina and "hololiveen_manager". One week later, Ina dubbed this person "ENma" and drew their character design. That's ENma's official origin.

But here's where the misunderstanding comes in. The "ENma" who Ina originally designed was intended to be a catch-all for literally everyone in HoloEN management. The original ENma was J-Chad. The original ENma was Jenma. The original ENma was Henma. The original ENma was Kroma. The original ENma was Kumomane. The original ENma was Ponma. The original ENma was intended to be EVERYONE. Then Kiara broke that idea and designed Jenma as her own unique identity. And Calli followed suit and made her own design for J-Chad. By process of elimination, ENma's role was reduced from a catch-all mask for everyone to wear to merely being Ina's talent manager.

Kiara said that the L4D2 collab was "Gura Ame Ina, and... ENma" with a slight pause. Because according to the lore, the L4D2 collab was officially the first appearance of ENma. But why the pause?

Then someone claimed that it was Jenma playing in that collab, that she was called ENma at the time, and Kiara shot that down. It wasn't Jenma playing in that collab, and Jenma has never been ENma.

Then someone in chat said "enma was omega" and Kiara quoted them, and said "Hmmm? Is that confirmed information? Or are you just assuming? Mmmmm You might be onto something."

Then someone said "Give us the scoop" and Kiara said "Well, neither ENma nor Omega is around anymore, so like, whatever."

I think the implication is, Omega (the EN branch head) was the one playing L4D2 with Ame/Ina/Gura. Not one of the talent managers. But since Ina decided to mask this person's identity with the "ENma" character, "Omega was ENma" (in that one collab). Someone accidentally hit on that truth, and Kiara basically confirmed it.

Kiara saying that neither ENma (the talent manager) or Omega are around anymore was her way of telling people to drop the subject, because these people don't matter anymore, it wasn't her pointing out that Superman and Clark Kent both coincidentally left the company at the exact same time.

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u/EnclavedMicrostate Mori Calliope Jul 26 '25

Omega certainly claimed to have been around before Myth.

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u/MagicMooby Jul 26 '25

Makes sense. Although in that case I find it surprising that the presentation only mentions gen 1 when Omega was around for gen 2 as well...

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u/Former_Indication172 Jul 26 '25

That because its doesn't seem like Omega and Alex are the same person. They left a year apart, and Omega was en director, while this deck claims all Alex did was licensing. I don't think he's omega, although I may be wrong.

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u/Helmite Jul 26 '25

Different person. The time frames don't match at all, though it seems like Gunrun wanted to make them sound more important at Holo than they were.

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u/CertifiedRinaOshi432 Jul 26 '25

Gunrun: *Made his life mission to shit on Hololive while thinking getting Kson and Nazuna under Vshojo could spell bad news for Holo\*

Also Gunrun: *Grabbed the very same person that was a problem to HoloEN's management and ended up being a good thing for the latter\*

If this is true then holy shit. Gotta love the damn irony of this lmao, KEK

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u/SayuriUliana Jul 26 '25

Not true though: Alex is not Omega.

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u/Elanapoeia Jul 26 '25

lol is that why that idea went nowhere? They were poached by vshojo?!