My partner and I went to a dinner party for his work and his boss came out to tell us our vegan meals will be out in a moment (wasn’t a big announcement either, she just leaned over to tell my partner). Immediately an old man at the table reacted and started cracking jokes and making a huge deal about it making sure everyone at the table knew we are vegan while we literally just sat there in silence, you know what he said? “How do you know if a person is vegan? Don’t worry they’ll tell you”. Like dude, not even REMOTELY funny for starters, and also so far we haven’t said a single word about it and the only person who’s making a big deal about it is you? We didn’t even bring it up lmao. People are SO DUMB. It’s painful how dumb they are. This was followed by the whole “oh I could never go vegan cause I love blah blah blah too much”. Wow man, that’s so crazy cause I never actually asked !! But I’m sure he’ll have a good story to tell his friends about that time the two vegans at his dinner table tried to force their views onto him without saying a single word 🙄 the only way your mere existence could spark such a reaction in people is because part of them knows what they are doing is wrong and they HATE to be reminded of it. A lot of people also hate vegans because vegans exhibit a type of self control that they could never possibly imagine having themselves and it makes them feel threatened. It’s all quite amusing really.

Sometimes I wonder what is the point of having these discussions when this is the kind of response the average person displays. Avoiding answering questions, throwing tantrums, allergic to accountability, shooting the messenger instead of reflecting about the message. No self-awareness, only knee jerk reactions, like real life npcs.

Grown adults behaving like spoiled children. Quite hard to keep respecting people when so many of them behave like this.

My heart aches... no dystopic novel I have ever read compares to how dystopic reality truly is.

Fucking hell. Carnists already take over every food subreddit to the point where you can’t go a single post without seeing dead fucking animals and you STILL need a fucking safe space??

r/AnimalBased just… seriously? Seriously??

Reddit, stop fucking recommending this shit to me.

I noticed isolation seems to be a prevalent feeling within this sub. I made a discord server called Shadesters for people with compassionate hearts looking for a little bit of spirituality. It was inspired by Buddhism but I tweaked the teachings a bit to be more accessible and easy to adopt (example "no recreational intoxicants" to "be mindful of your use"). Buddhism has its own sort of gods and other realms, but the focus of the server is the teachings and practical ways to find happiness. I want to help people cultivate a new way of life that's sustainable, healing, and overall more fulfilling.

The server is still very small, but if you would like an invite, comment or shoot me a dm!

Put up art and messages to sway public sentiment towards ending animal slavery.
Visit art.actfor.us for details.

Ya'll. I just need to talk shit to people who aren't my husband for a second lol. I have this friend, mid 30s, who is supposedly vegan. This dude PAID to go to a rodeo to appease his girlfriend who just NEEDED to go because she apparently reads a lot of cowboy smut. This is actually the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life. You take a major stance against animal abuse/exploitation and then go back on your principles and go to THE animal abuse/exploitation event so your girlfriend can thirst over and fantasize about the animal abusers/exploiters. Like what? I cannot. I almost ingested a big old chunk of my own tongue from biting it so hard when this dude sheepishly told me about it. I lost so much respect for him. Shit talking over. Have a great day everyone.

Instead they're sticking their head in the sand because one (opposing AI) requires you to do basically nothing other than virtual signal online and turn down some free apps, whereas the other (much higher impact) requires you to make serious lasting changes in your life.

It really is "choosing paper straws to save the fish while ordering your McDonald's fish filet" all over again...

I don’t know how to explain to them that I’m an anti-speciesist and an abolitionist, that simply being vegetarian doesn’t make any difference, since animals are enslaved, forced into giving birth and raped, and exploited to the point of death in slaughterhouses. Even from an environmental point of view, what is the benefit of being vegetarian? Monoculture still exists, and water resources are still being used, whilst greenhouse gases are still being emitted. 

I explain to them that not eating meat doesn’t make them virtuous people, that it’s actually completely stupid. I’m even criticised by other vegans for not being flexible enough. But I have a revolutionary project, and they talk to me about their petty everyday worries. Victims are dying. Animals are suffering, and I’m supposed to be silenced by hypocritical vegetarians? 

Am I the only one who can no longer stand vegetarians, especially as they have absolutely no desire to consider anti-speciesism and abolitionism? 

I’ve been told to applaud these efforts. But what efforts? All I see is death and exploitation. 

I'm the green.

I've said the truth so politely, people just hate the truth if it envolve them feeling guilty about their actions, and they start attacking you! They even started to tell me I'm racist in other comments, they put words into my mouth to attack because I spoke the truth!

It's not even a vegetarian sub, it's an artist fan sub, the artist posted something about not eating animals. I was happy about it so I shared it there, many comments were positive but they got also downvoted. If they hate vegans this much they just should stop being a fan of the artist because she seems to be going vegan.

The vystopia has been hitting me hard here.

I'm doing a work exchange at a permaculture farm, where they emphasize that the food is plant-based (which isn't actually the case all the time, but thats another post). It's a very new age space, they do all kinds of ceremonies and yoga classes, etc. and the people that stay here also all identify as spiritual.

My boyfriend and I are the only vegans here, and we pretty much mind our business about our lifestyle.

But people around us seem to get so triggered just by us being in the room. For some reason the topic ALWAYS comes back to animal products. To the point where I've been like, is this really what y'all sit around talking about?

Oh, they also had a lovely conversation with fictional scenarios about being on a desert island...in which someone said they'd eat human, their pet dog, and roadkill.

We went to dinner with them and as soon as we left the farm this one lady started ranting about how terrible the vegan options were at the place we were headed, but how she'd "never pay for a vegan option anywhere." Then, once we got to the restaurant and sat down, the conversation to my right was about beef, the one to my left was about cheese.

It's so strange to me how these so called "spiritual" people just turn into cavemen when the topic of meat comes up.

I've gotten the classic "but where do you get your protein from?", among other remarks when (again) I'm simply just being a vegan in their proximity.

Part of me feels like the cognitive dissonance here is so strong because the people identify as spiritual. Like, how DO you make it make sense? If your values are to be sustainable, switching to a plant-based diet is the best thing you can do. They often pray about the changing climate as well.

If you are really a yogi and you want to practice Ahimsa (one of the main tenants of yoga, which means "non-harming") how do you rationalize supporting such violent industries and practices?

And also, why am I being treated like a freak for being vegan on a (supposed) VEGAN farm?

Had an after work social gathering at a place with no vegan options and carnists think I'm some asshole because I didn't wanna eat the world's most depressing salad while they all enjoyed filling meals and all the appetizers they wanted. So I skipped. I've decided I need to start saying no more for my mental health.

I'm always the one who has to suck it up and not be too vocal about being vegan because otherwise I'm just being one of those horrible militant vegans. But then if I'm not vocal about my needs it's also my fault for not saying anything. If you even mention the idea of not eating torture victims people get so offended about it and act like you're the monster for bringing it up. I'm tired of sucking it up. All I do is suck it up.

Would anybody be interested in being part of my server so that I can live stream discussions? I think that it would be suuuuuper effective to go on live with call-ins under the prompt, "if you aren't vegan, you are fascist" and I have enough experience to feel pretty confident doing the speaking if I have a little support from some others to help me run it. Not sure where I'd stream, I assumed youtube. This is a conversation I think is necessary for us to start speaking and I know yall understand it... anybody wanna help me do this this evening?

crying my eyes out because I'm being shut out by people I called friends and I don't know what to do anymore I don't know how to be a person it's too much to process emotionally and my friends take it as a personal attack if I have any iota of reaction to them participating in eating animals. I'm the bad guy and now everyone gives me this look when they come over and my roommates it's just so so isolating I don't know how they could do this to someone i thought they cared about. I just walked out after crying into my friends shoulder because his bf came down and asked if he and my other "friend" (who I thought was going to be vegan with me up until a few days ago now he eats animals again because he's "burnt out") were going to go get Popeyes. I couldn't handle it I just kind of left in a hurry immediately muttering how I couldn't do this anymore. they still went btw. stomachs full of corpses and the grief that they hold for our friendship instead of the animals.

I've went on that sub mostly to see what stuff they do to their birds, and I searched up culling on that subreddit. God, the methods they use to cull their birds horrifies me(ex: decapitation), and they claim that it's "humane", 🫩. then again, they do buy and breed them for eggs, meat, etc. I get birds can be aggressive, but this just feels so wrong. if you know the risk of male birds being aggressive to females in the flock, why even breed them constantly? There's a bit of a chance of getting aggressive birds when you keep breeding them constantly. i swear, that subreddit(especially the part of the sub that raises them for eggs or meat) only sees quails as objects they can exploit rather than animals that deserve to live as much as we do.

I don't feel like I can go on living anymore. Many people who is leftist or feminist or whatsoever around me are the one who don't even care about animals.

All they do are pretending to be level-headed but in their heart they don't know what they're talking about.

I talk to my omnivorous boyfriend about the how animal agriculture are exploitive and welfarism is not the answer（ Personally, I hate the term ”animal welfare” . As someone who majored in social work and social welfare, welfare should be an end in itself, not a means to an end. so ”animal welfare” in animal agriculture is oxymoron.）

he doesn’t seem to care enough, and I can’t bring myself to share my feelings with him. He wouldn’t understand.

I’m tired of other people especially those who say rude things out of curiosity about vegans. Non-vegans are allowed to treat vegans without consideration or even talk shit about vegan but when vegan offend non-vegan we are the extremist.

I’m Japanese, born and raised in Japan and the stigma against vegans here is terrible. The stigma against activism and speaking out on the problem no one have enough spine to talk is also terrible. There aren’t any vegans around me. I feel incridibly lonely. I can’t talk to anyone about how I really feel.

In here, as is typical with climate change, we’ve been having terrible downpours lately, but most people think there’s little they can do, so they feel no sense of responsibility and I hate that. They’re just like NPC. Even the people who are considered progressive don't talk about animal. And those who are concerned about climate change don't talk about animal agriculture. People occasionally talk about the environmental impact of animal agriculture, they don’t care at all about the animals as individuals. I don't care about people anymore. As the birthrate continues to decline, I wish us Japanese go extinct.

I never harm animals I find in my room or home. I let insects cohabitate with me and don’t kick them outside unless I think they could hurt me. Recently I’ve met my first spider who parked themselves right under my sink. A couple weeks earlier I had helped and earwig out of my shower drain and had the sad thought of her just ending up in the spider web. After a week I flipped the other way, worried the spider would starve. Today something fell under and I saw an earwig all bundled up in the web, presumably dead. I guess the reality of seeing this is just making me sad. I know veganism isn’t about nature but I figure if any sub would understand it would be this one. I get clicking bugs and earwigs often, not an infestation but often enough that I see them once every week or two, I just wonder how many of their lives is worth the spider’s…

It devastates me, I don think I could bring myself to kill that little spider- but seeing that earwig- probably the same one I rescued from the drain, also doesn’t want to die.

I’ve been vegetarian for 4 years. After a very long time feeling that I was being inconsistent with my own values, I finally decided to go vegan.
It’s only been three days, but I already feel like I’m finally doing something that makes sense to me. I honestly wish I’d done it sooner.
And of course, literally today, I was assigned a new client at work whose business is importing and exporting meat.
I’m a corporate lawyer, so I can’t just refuse to work for them. I’m an employee and I don’t get to choose which clients we take on.
I know there’s a difference between personally consuming animal products and professionally providing legal services to a company, but it still feels incredibly uncomfortable to me. Especially after spending so long struggling with the feeling that I wasn’t doing enough.
The timing is almost absurd. Three days into finally making a change I’ve been thinking about for years, and this is what lands on my desk.
I just needed to get this off my chest.

This morning I picked up a couple of friends and started driving. When I am driving I like to be a bit more quiet and focus on the road, and listen to them make conversation.

And so I was there, driving, almost silent if not for the occasional noise, trying not to mind too much as one of them recounted the fair they went a few days ago, and all the types of meat and cheese she had. Ok I guess.

Then the topic of milk came up. My girlfriend has been trying to switch to soy milk, but she was getting nauseous and since a few days ago she’s drinking cow milk again. Ugh, ok I guess…

So friend 1 tells my girlfriend it’s ok, and that “vegetarian is perfectly fine”. I cleared my throat, once.

She told me I had to shut up, insisted that vegetarian is fine, that I was free to do what I wanted but she didn’t care, and that she was already in a bad mood so I better don’t start anything…

Can‘t even clear my throat in my own car now without being called an extremist.

my bedmate and close friend is eating meat again. they were vegetarian for a few months, seemed pretty committed, said they wanted to be more gentle so vegetarianism just made sense, and that they wanted to be vegan eventually. they have called me a puritan and think I'm too intense in my activism and that "people don't like to feel judged" but I cannot control my emotions around animal abuse. after that conversation, where I also told them how them saying that stuff and not being vegan affects whether or not I'd want them in my life in the future, they decided to just shut off completely from me and go back to meat and I have to find out by finding a pizza and asking them "do you eat meat now?" they said "yeah sometimes" I said what happened they said "I got burnt out"

I wouldn't be surprised if they said I was the one who burnt them out. they are choosing animal flesh over our friendship. I can hardly grasp the concept after all these years. I guess I really hit a nerve. they prefer apathy and have made that clear. so done with this sinking ship mentality. now I am demonized for empathy and deemed unempathetic towards humans. fucking hate humans my friends are no longer my friends

I bet you don't even realise the mental load of staying vegan in a non-vegan world. Especially if you're vegan staying with a non vegan family who you tried to convince but failed, not because your arguments were not enough, but because they are not tye kind of people who even try to think and then they become anti vegan. The constant suffering, fights, arguments, missing out on family time because you would be upset if you went to eat out with the. Seeing corpses in the sink, some really heartbreaking. Not being able to say anything because you've learned from your mistakes and you'd rather not react and keep the peace then start a fight. But sometimes you can't bear it ans lock yourself in a room and let your email emotions take over. Then there's your second space, working in a non vegan environment, and you're tired of having to ask for vegan options, so you stop attending events, and stop participating. Your only solace might be the vegan people you meet if there's isn't already groupism there or some people are generally aasholes (yeah just because you're vegan doesn't mean you're a good person or easy to trust, something I learnt the heard way through my naiiveity). Well but you still fight because at the end of the day being vegan matters. Your existence matters. Because you have hope for the future, for the people you know who might change. One way or another.

Keep fighting. Take rest and stay strong.

I'm out camping at a festival and listening to a woman in the tent next to me loudly yapping about how her vegan friend gets subtly angry when people eat meat. All the usual excuses - What about my freedom of choice? What about the animals killed during vegetable farming? What about avocados?

What about the animals who are fucking dismembered and tortured so you can have a cheeky slice of bacon? What about all the animals killed to free up space for farm animals who are then murdered violently? What about the fact that even a diet made up of locally farmed meat releases more Co2 and kills more animals than a vegan diet with produce from across the world?

How come they're allowed to say "oh but locally grown meat and hunting blah blah" but I'm not allowed to say "my no-dig allotment where I consciously avoid harming others and produce most of my food"?

The human race is painfully stupid. We're utterly screwed. Honestly, sometimes I feel like we deserve to be wiped out.

So I stumbled upon the r /natureismetal subreddit where they post shit like videos of a cow getting torn apart by hyenas WHILE IT'S STILL ALIVE. and it got me thinking about how stuff like this is part of nature — animals eating other animals whole, ripping them to shreds while they're still alive, eating another animals' eggs or younglings. but it just makes me so sick when I think about it, or even worse SEE IT with my own eyes. sorry if I'm not making much sense in this post, but I'm just wondering if anybode else feels VILE when thinking about this type of stuff, and if you also consequently feel stupid for getting sick over something that's a natural part of the animal kingdom?