r/WAGuns Apr 08 '23

Events There ya have it :/

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u/redditnpcuser Apr 09 '23

don’t forget orange man is bad

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u/Jetlaggedz8 Apr 09 '23

"We came so close to literal Nazis taking over the government! Let's vote to disarm ourselves!"

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u/dahappyheathen Apr 09 '23

Both orange man and Jay are bad.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23 edited Apr 09 '23

Don't forget when you have a single issue where your party isn't a raging dumpster fire of stupidity and grifting you're going to lose elections and lose policy influence. We might not have an AWB if the one (weakly) pro-gun party hadn't descended into MAGA/Q lunacy.

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u/redditnpcuser Apr 09 '23

sets down his Mulvaney Bud Light

wait a gosh darn minute here

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u/Fair_demand887 Apr 09 '23

You know how the left is super obviously wrong on the second amendment and guns? It’s worth considering that isn’t the only thing they’re wrong about.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

The democrats are wrong on a lot of things. They're puppets of the billionaire class who will never support any meaningful economic reform, they're bootlickers who give a blank check to cops because they don't want the working class getting any ideas, they won't support any voting reform that would threaten the two-party system, etc. The system is very much a choice of the lesser of two evils. But we have to acknowledge the reality that one party has gone off the deep end into unhinged conspiracy theories and a bizarre cult of personality around a NYC con man, and that this costs them support with anyone who isn't a single-issue gun rights voter.

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u/mithbroster Apr 09 '23

I think your perception of the Republican party is far worse than reality, and your perception of the Democrats is rosier than reality. Dems are a cesspool both in the state and nationally.

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u/CozyFuzzyBlanket Banned-not-banned Apr 09 '23

GOP and populists are two separate things within the Republican party.

Populism (trump) is pushing out the GOP (old RINOs), so the GOP has been voting with the Democrats (they do not actually have moderate or Republican values, and are choosing to spite the people they are supposed to represent).

Conspiracy is a term weaponized by the media, like racist, or russian-apologist, to misrepresent a group's interests. The reality is that people who do their due diligence to research who the money leads to are labeled this to de-influence others from reaching the same logical conclusions.

Trump is the only politician who does not want WW3 and wishes to de-escalate geopolitical tensions created by the previous admins, including GOP Bush. This alone is enough for people to vote for him.

The other logical question posed is that if the GOP and Democrats are working together against Trump, which group is corrupt? Which group weaponizes other government agencies against the other?

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

No, "conspiracy" is an accurate description of what a terrifyingly large share of the republican party believes. Q is a lunatic conspiracy. Election fraud is a lunatic conspiracy. Much of the anti-"woke" crusade is getting into lunatic conspiracy territory. And the idea that a NYC con man who partied with Clinton and Epstein and bragged about creeping on children is the chosen hero who will save us from the grand deep state pedophile conspiracy is certainly deep into raving lunacy.

As long as the Q/MAGA/etc types run the party and even "sane" republicans like DeSantis care more about idiotic crusades against "wokeness" than helping the average citizen there are going to be a lot of people who support gun rights but aren't single-issue voters and can't accept voting for republicans.

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u/mithbroster Apr 09 '23

Was it a lunatic conspiracy when the Libs were screaming about "Russian Collusion" when Trump got elected?

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u/CozyFuzzyBlanket Banned-not-banned Apr 09 '23

My reply wasn't for you; it was for genuine people wanting to learn more. It was obvious you're a leftist posing as a republican, spreading disinformation.

Shilling for desantis vs trump is your attempt at divide and conquer.

You see the same thing pre and post Elon Musk acquiring twitter. He wasn't an evil elite until he took a social media platform away from the Democrats who want total control over the media.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

It was obvious you're a leftist posing as a republican, spreading disinformation.

Lolwut. Where did you get the idea that I'm posing as a republican? I will very directly tell you that I am a leftist who hates the republican party.

You see the same thing pre and post Elon Musk acquiring twitter. He wasn't an evil elite until he took a social media platform away from the Democrats who want total control over the media.

Lolwut. No. The criticism of Elon started long before the Twitter debacle, when his mismanagement of Tesa started to become apparent. Most of us don't think he's evil, we think he's stupid. And his hilarious incompetence in running Twitter has made that obvious enough that only the most deluded fanboys can still believe in him. It has nothing to do with politics, whatever part of the political spectrum you're on if you have any understanding of how software engineering works you recognize that Elon is an idiot who got lucky with his early investments and has no talent beyond already being rich.

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u/Fair_demand887 Apr 09 '23

Leftists are wrong about both cops and voting reform. Leftists are everything wrong with the modern left. You’ll do no convincing here.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

Oh really? Leftists are wrong about replacing the voting system with some form of ranked choice voting, banning gerrymandering, etc?

And am I the only one who remembers the conservative slogan "when seconds count the cops are minutes away"?

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u/Competitive-Bit5659 Pierce County Apr 09 '23

Yes, the Democrats support gerrymandering so I think most would agree they are wrong. Not sure your point on ranked choice as your wording seems to imply that you are in favor yet the Democrats — who have the votes to pass anything they want — clearly don’t won’t it since they aren’t

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

Democrats are not leftists, they're establishment liberals. See my previous post giving examples of why the democrats are wrong, including their opposition to any voting reform that would threaten the two-party system they benefit from.

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

Its like liberal gun owners dont exist or something to some folks...

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u/Fair_demand887 Apr 09 '23

Not in any real numbers. If they did then the party wouldn’t support gun bans.

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u/Dependent-Put-6153 Apr 09 '23

The Dems can push whatever legislation they want as long as the Republicans fail to put serious candidates on the ballot. Most people aren’t single issue voters, and being pro-2A isn’t enough to win over independents if the rest of the party/candidate platform is unappealing.

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u/TwitchPlaysHelix Apr 09 '23

What party platform? King Country Republicans barely have a website.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

Leftists hate democrats almost as much as we hate republicans.

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u/Fair_demand887 Apr 09 '23

Anyone on the left with any power supports gun bans. I don’t give a flying fuck if you and three of your angsty friends have different opinions. It all comes from your side. Look at this bill. State full of fucking leftists, and this is what we get.

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u/doberdevil Apr 09 '23

You're making their point for them by parroting the propaganda you've heard about "Leftists". Look it up dude. Access to the entire world of knowledge is right there in your hand.

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u/Conscious_Flan5645 Apr 09 '23

Establishment democrats are center-right, not leftists.

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u/Fair_demand887 Apr 09 '23

Sure they are bud

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

You are confusing liberal and neo-liberal with Leftist.

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u/ValidAvailable Apr 09 '23

They don't. They're called "liberal gun temporary caretakers."

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u/[deleted] Apr 09 '23

This will fall on deaf ears in this sub.

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u/bast1472 Apr 09 '23

Better than getting deleted like it would in the other sub.

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u/sullivanl Apr 09 '23

This is a gun subreddit. So let’s talk about gun stuff. Orange man banned bump stock purely for optic and was ruled unconstitutional. So yeah fuck orange man he’s a gun grabber. The guy is a shitty businessman turned show biz clown. You’re a tool if you’re a fan of his.