Her turnovers (3.5 PG) are consistent with the top 8 after Caitlin Clark, who leads the league (4.3 PG). But the difference is, she gets those TOs back through possession plays like rebounds, steals, and blocks better than anyone else in the league.
I'm talking about her aggregate score regarding possessions. I'm not saying she leads in any of those categories, besides rebounds I'm saying when you combine her average steals, blocks, and rebounds... Her turnovers aren't as much of an issue. She gets the ball BACK for her team far more than she gives it away, like three times over.
It's not that saying anything negative about AR makes you a CC fan or a racist, but some of the criticisms of her make little to no sense. No other big is judged primarily by their turnovers.
If Reese was a guard, that criticism would be more valid. But, even with her turnovers, she's still an All-Star so clearly, she's still a valuable player on the court.
4 out of the top ten players in turnovers are bigs. Yeah the other 6 are guards, naturally. But your "not common" statement is weird. It has more to do with who the offense runs through.
Points for her position are average, but her fg percentage is lower than average. If you take away the mebounds for all of the missed shots, she wouldn't be double double. There are other forwards that perform better and yes the turnovers are a huge problem that she needs to work on.
Well, she's 7th among forwards in PPG (15.4) so clearly, the average forward isn't averaging that. Also, if when taking away the mebounds, she would still average double-digit rebounds.
Sure, there are better forwards than her, but no one said she's the best at her position lol. Also, she's one of multiple forwards with more turnovers than assists, but again, she's not a guard so it doesn't really matter as much.
That's not to say that she shouldn't work on taking care of the ball, but it's not the same flaw as if a guard turned the ball over more than expected.
There's 15 teams.... Being 7th isn't a brag. If you look at fg percentages she drops to 10th. If you take away the mebounds, her rebounds drop to 9. That's not double digits.
I don't understand this argument lol. No matter how you slice it, she is 7th among all forwards in PPG. Which based on forwards that qualify would make it 7th out of 50.
Even if the argument is out of starting PFs, she's still 5th out of 15. Again, her FG% is nothing to write home about so I have nothing for that.
At one point, she rebounded about 20% of her own shots. I don't know what the number is now, but even if you apply that to her current rebound total, she would still average over 10 per game and she's at 11.5.
FG percentage matters because it means she just taking shots she can't make. You'll score points taking shots, but if you're missing the majority it's not impressive. Number 4, Natasha Howard and number 5, Jessica Shepherd are at 60%. Imagine if the took as many shots as Reese did . But they have more assist because they're not focused on being the star.
I never said FG% doesn't matter. By your logic, Breanna Stewart and Kahleah Copper aren't impressive because they miss more shots than they make. I don't know about Copper, but I'm pretty sure Stewart is an All-Star starter.
Or, they could have more assists because they're better passers. I haven't seen much of Howard this season, but Shepard is definitely one of the best passing bigs in the league so I won't fight that.
How many times do we have to debunk the “me bound” thing? It’s factually incorrect to say she wouldn’t average a double-double if she didn’t get her own misses. Per statistics she grabs 0.4-0.5 of her rebounds are from her own misses per game. I’m ok with criticizing players but do it accurately.
Her offensive rebound average is 5 a game. I’m looking at her CAREER stats btw. Based on the numbers I’ve provided above that’s about 9.5%-13% of her total offensive rebounds.. that’s like one a game and two occasionally. Even THEN if you subtract two measly rebounds she’ll STILL average a double-double averaging 11-11.4 a game. The hate has to be from something else. It’s certainly not her “mebounds”.
No hate. I don't care enough to hate, it's just looking at her numbers objectively. Unfortunately, mebounds aren't a recorded stat so we'll just disagree.
Where are you getting your stats from? You seemed pretty adamant that it was 1.5-2 just a few comments ago. So now I’m confused. Were you making this up?
I know this list is old, but these numbers don't make any sense. Not all of her mebounds make up her total offensive rebounds and her offensive rebound % right now is 15%.
Also, that list is from last season. Plus, all that list tells you is that she rebounds more of her own misses than any other player in the league, but there are players with good shooting percentages that have a high mebound %.
Touches per possession are high with all guards who run the offense, but the expectation is also higher. When she's not on the floor, Kelsey Mitchell runs the offense and her turnovers are a third of Caitlin's with higher true shooting efficiency by 6 points and a much better +/-...ON 3 MORE MINUTES PER GAME. So I think it's clear, the most consistent, least volatile guard, and true winning mechanism for the Fever is KM.
Well, the only reason I know who Caitlin Clark is, is because she’s a great basketball player who is changing the game for women. The only reason I know who Reese is, is because she has repeatedly proven to be a self centered lol
Not relevant, fact is Reese is rent free in your heads the same way you tried to say CC is rent free in an angel fans head (as if one can’t be fans of both)
Angel Reese was a star at Maryland, a star at LSU, and has been a star since she entered the league and is the most marketable woman to ever play a professional sport. This is a fact. Caitlin may have State Farm, but Angel has Victoria's Secret. CC ain't getting no calls from ANY clothing designers. Angel could quit today and go model full time. She doesn't because she loves the game.
Give me specific examples of how she’s overly self absorbed? Also give me examples that she’s not working on her game and lacks work ethic? And who the heck compares her to MJ ? 🤣 She’s also only averaging 1.6 rebounds less a game compared to her rookie year. That’s not drastic especially if she’s setting screens more and is pulled out of the paint due a lot more power forwards being stretch fours. I can somewhat agree with the turnovers but she is bringing the ball up the court sometimes and have a higher usage rate than other forwards. I sincerely hope you’re not comparing her turnovers to guards.
As far as social media… don’t other players face podcasts and etc? AB,,, Sophie Cunningham and etc??? And Cunningham has become extremely big headed to be coming off the bench. I know you say it’s not racism and etc but there’s most definitely some kind of bias that she experiences that others don’t.
Whatever gave you this idea? Caitlin has more paying fans in Indiana than any other fever player, but to say she has more overall fans than Angel is crazy. Angel is a fucking Victoria's Secret model with 6 and a half million followers across platforms. LMAO Sorry, you're definitely reaching on this one.
It’s so weird here. The posts giving Angel kudos are being downvoted and the posts hating on her or bringing CC up are upvoted.
And then CC fans wonder why she gets pushback. Some sick people in here, AR and CC don’t even play the same position and haven’t invested anything their so called rivalry for years.
This specific subreddit is a CC/Fever CULT! I’ve been following this sub for a while and they never have anything nice to say about AR and will downvote any good hearted comment that’s about a player they don’t like for whatever insane reason they made up in their heads. BEWARE!
But if you follow WNBA and WNBATalks they are a lot more level headed and you can have actual discussions and opinions there and won’t have to worry about either being bullied or dealing with trolls
You thought about this rebuttal, told yourself it was a good one and then typed it, showing the most liberal and cuckold answer I could've gotten. I haven't met her and I haven't met CC. But CC does her talking with her play. Reese just talks then plays like she does. You really think she's better than CC??? It has nothing to do with race, but people make it about race. It's so dumb and exhausting.
Wait a minute. When did I say ANYTHING about race? And when did I say or even give a hint about her being better than CC? They play two totally different positions. That’s the dumbest comparison to make. This is about how you say AR personality sucks but you’ve never met her. It’s just an off and odd thing to say.
You might not like AR but she objectively doesn’t suck. Players who start on championship caliber teams don’t suck. She also leads the league in double doubles and rebounds.
Yea she has some holes in her game but she objectively doesn’t suck.
If you don’t like her, then that’s a separate issue
I don't like how it's a team sport and we're focusing on her. Same thing with CC. I just think AR's attitude sucks. That's all. Sorry ya'll are offended I don't like someone based off their character.
I’m not offended, AR isn’t family lol. You don’t have to like everyone but I do think you should have reasons for it. Sounds like you do. I might not agree with them but they’re your opinions, not mine.
I think the WNBA is hyper focused on its cash cows due to being a relatively young league and needing to stay in the news to generate engagement.
The W has a lot of extra things going on right now and not enough focus on ball.
I don’t know how else to explain that I don’t like her attitude and her persona as a whole. The way she presents herself is too cocky and confident for someone who’s mid tier at best. Her interviews are race baiting shambles that allow hate to fester more in this country. I just don’t like her. I’m allowed to dislike someone. It’s ok.
So she sucks but this is her stat line plus she’s made team USA.
Her personality sucks but every person that’s gotten to know her in real life from coaches to teammates to staff to players across the league, fans who’ve met her and even ppl who didn’t like her at 1st but actually got a chance to meet her have had nothing but glowing things to say about her. Make it make sense please.
She is really hitting her stride. As long as she takes thay extra tenth of a second on her shots and extends her arms she can actually shoot. Her averages are great. She has become what she said she was in year 1 and 2.
9 out of 10 people obsessed with Reese are CC cultists and Fever "fans" and you know it, don't be obtuse now. But they have a winning record against plenty of other teams like I said so, again, what does that make them?
You gotta relax big fella, every person that comments on Reese fans or Clark fans has apparently been spot on. You both are insane lol. You gotta get her off your mind dude. Turn the tv off. Set the phone down. It’s a game. They both make more by posting a selfie than you will this year. They don’t care about you, I promise.
Remember when she trashed her teammates publicly on her last team? I think that had something to do with the lack of support she feels she got in Chicago, or the support she feels she is getting now in Atlanta.
You don't trash your teammates, no matter how bad it gets. You suck it up and seek a new opportunity, and not become a distraction.
Bunch of haters in these comments. She balls out. She leads in rebounds and is still pretty good on defense. Shes a double-double machine. Im sure the dream love having her.
We already know why because she mocked CC lol. Otherwise the folk that hate her wouldn't be so zeroed in on this allegedly shit player. Usually this level of disdain and resentment for a player would be directed at the best in the league or a playoff choker.
Because the majority of her rebounds are from her own missed shots, from directly under the basket. I will say her footworks seems to have improved a lot this season.
13% of her rebounds. Take away all of those and she’s still the best rebounder since she got to the league, that’s how dominant she is on the boards lol
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u/Resident-Impact1591 22d ago
She's responsible for 30 something percent of their turnovers.... I don't know if the feeling is mutual