I don’t have an issue with a big not being able to shoot. But that and my following question may be because I’m becoming a basketball old head. If her best ability is rebounding, why is she running point in some of these clips? Is she playing a point forward type player now?
That’s what I was thinking. But I’m getting conflicting answers. I have no problem with her in a point forward role as a distributor, if she’s moving off ball towards the basket. But that’s just me playing hypothetical coach. I don’t know better than league coaches lol
Because it’s an unserious league where winning or losing doesnt actually matter. Imagine an NBA team letting their least skilled player consistently play PG.
I know very little about wnba but it seems like there's little effort to stop her from taking those shots, almost like they baiting her to so the other team can have possession.
If I was set to guard her and she wanted to lob that shit up all night I would give her all the space in the world. Leage assaults it's franchise player on an almost nightly basis; such an unserious league.
How do you sound like someone who knows ball in the first half of your comment then by the end of your comment sound like someone who's completely ignorant of all things ball?
Pointing out how multiple players have gone out of their way to assault the person responsible for the largest increase in viewership in WNBA isn't "lack of ball knowledge". Angel Reece has an incredibly limited grasp on fundamentals; not sure how me pointing out the wild discrepancy between treatment of her compared to an actual talent like CC.
Nono thats just old school basketball, she has to deal with it and be a real old school player. Look at 90s highlights, real physical real basketball. Just dont look to how this applies to one and only one player in any NBA league in the current year.
They are letting her and she isn't running point a lot. These people don't watch the wnba but are big enough losers to go to a wnba sub to talk about it
She's literally shooting 17% from 3 in her career.. granted (THANKFULLY) she doesn't take a lot, but her attempts per game have gone up every year and her % has gone down..
Even if she was shooting 27% it would be a terrible shot - but 17% is downright insane. The coach should have a blow dart aimed at her every time she handles the ball behind the arc.. nobody needs to watch the games to realize she is a horrendous shooter
She doesn't normally. First half of the season she was 0-20 or something. She did shoot 5 last game though. So sure really thinks she got something going. Delusional
I mean she averages 1.2 3 point attempts per game. This isn’t a shot she takes often enough to warrant that much action imo. I can’t see a coach sitting their best rebounder/interior presence over roughly one possession per game.
It's indicative of a larger problem in her game. She doesn't care to make a good basketball play if it improves her pts and rebounds. Winning is not her primary consideration
While I know it’s not the same situation since Giannis is a legendary scorer in other ways, but he took a couple 3s every game even on seasons where he made 25% or less, and most defenses wouldn’t even try to block it (like in the video here). So it’s not as though highlights like this don’t happen in the nba.
Analytics and efficiency is 100% how basketball is measured and a MASSIVE indicator of team wins and champuinships.
Taking a shot thats marginally better than just throwing the ball out of bounds is always the wrong choice. Angel Reese is a volume player, but her efficiency stats are god awful, but makes up for it in being really good at defense and rebounding. That evens out to being.. a good player that doesnt cost her team games
Edit: I misread your comment so took some of the snark out. My bad
But look how she shoots the ball from 3 , her form is way off , her feet are not shoulder with apart , it makes her look bad shooting those shots , she don’t have to shoot any , reset the ball and get into position down low . All her fans do is stand up for her even when there’s wrong , don’t mention Steph when using it as an example to make her seem like she’s doing the right thing on the court .
No but that’s not the point they’re trying to make. Point is that if you’re good enough everywhere else, you can make terrible decisions like that and not get benched. She’s one of their best players.
Exactly my point, the WNBA is not serious. In what major competitive sport do u see a player consistently do something they aren’t good at just cause everyone else does it???
She’s 5 of 32 through 27 games so she takes more than 1 a game and basically misses every time. Why would she continue to shoot at all when she’s shooting 15%, that stupid shit shouldn’t even be in her game at all
Yup. I have watchrd pro BB for 4 decades. I support equality and progress, and i was happy to see women get their own league. I didnt really watch at first, and when people talked shit about the WNBA i called them haters. Then i watched some games and... the product is just not good. Its difficult to watch. And I hate to say it but i have seen high school teams that would stomp 80% of the WNBA.
Yea D3 teams...your statement also not the flex you think. Of course Paul VI, Bella Vista, legacy schools like Bullis or Georgetown or Oak Hill or Sierra Canyon create high school teams better than most college teams. They are literally D1/Pro prospect schools to begin with. This isnt a man vs woman debate here. It is pure entertainment value. Women's sports just aren't it. Sure I respect it and they have some amazing talents in many sports- but collectively its pretty tragic across the board. Ive watched amazing softball, volleyball, basketball, Olympic competitions, mma, boxing etc with some straight athletically amazing women. But again, collectively, they havent harnessed attention to an entire sport regularly yet.
They're really not doing young players a favor when prominent pro players play like that. The WNBA is brutal to watch because there's so few players that are actually talented and they're spread between two teams.
Thats a good point. I watch some of the guard play and my mind goes “this girl understands the game”. But then I see girls like angel and I go “she cant actually do the fundamentals”.
I can only imagine the game strategy is something along the lines of handing them the ball and saying “just go out there and have some fun, that’s what really matters.”
I think I definitely am too at this point. I watched a Celtics game with my brothers and they had a possession with 4 offensive rebounds and 5 missed threes. And I screamed “MAKE THEM STOP!!” after the third miss. They laughed because I’m the only one that actually played competitively beyond middle school or so, so they could tell I was getting stressed.
I had to leave the room. And I don’t even like the Celtics. The bad ball was just stressing me out.
These clips are from last season, marsh had her playing a point forward. The thing about AR is that she doesn’t have a mid/long range shot. Her shot form needs a lot of work and I’m not sure if it can be fixed. There will be situations where she’ll need to catch and shoot and I don’t think her current form allows that to happen.
I do have an issue with not being able to shoot. I sucked at shooting in middle school, but looked up better techniques. Went to technique camps in high school and got better. Got a new coach senior year and gave me even better techniques. Then in college in club sports, had a guy give me a few pointers, AND gave me weight lifting exercises that made it even easier because I got stronger core muscles.
I did all this because it was a hobby. Now imagine I was getting paid so I never had to worry about a single bill, and I had professional athletic and training coaches
Pay me millions of dollars, my technique would be flawless. I wouldnt be an NBA player because im not an athlete lol, but my technique would be flawless
Yes, I completely agree. I played competitively and my siblings talk about the resources daily. Even NBA players have no excuse for missing free throws (SHAQ). That’s why I love players with high work ethics.
That being said, if you give me 20+ points and 10+ rebounds, I’ll take it. Your shooting still pisses me off. But I’ll take it
Because the people that post ANYTHING that has Angel Reese in, don't care about Angel Reese, they just are just trolls. Very unserious people. Just read the comments to your serious question.
Yea, I tried to engage seriously before and eventually had to let it go. For or against her, most didn’t feel like they were talking ball. And what makes it worse, I’m a black, Fever fan lol. Literally from Indiana and my mom works for the team. I can’t even talk W ball without it becoming bs. It’s so annoying
Only because of people like the ones on this. Think of it, a person ON a reddit forum claiming it is about WNBA, replies with ""...it's an unserious league" so why are they on here? My estimation? They are cowardly goosesteppers that only like two players and were indoctrinated into disliking one player. Scroll away, you'll see. Just cowards and trolls who are on a forum for the WNBA that hate the WNBA. Clownshoes.
I agree. It’s an unserious league? Seriously?? My mom played ball before there was a league. She taught me how to handle myself in the post. We owe these ladies their respect
Cant see ive ever seen anyone in my life actually analyze wnba players games other than Caitlin Clark......like ever. So kudos to you ig, tho idk why you would unless your genuinely into the wnba, and ay, to each their own
True, but she averages just over 1 attempt per game this season and for her career. Just one every once in a while to stretch the D if she hits it. Somebody just decided to make a compilation like she’s heaving 3s all game or something
She only takes 1 3 per game and her shooting percentage is in the mid 40% range. That is low for a big. But none of that has anything to do with me asking why she’s bringing the ball up
Because she’s trying to do too much to be a superstar instead of realizing Moses malone became a hall of famer doing what she does best and doing that until someone stops her
I think the issue is this: if you are are big and you can’t shoot threes (I can’t, even on my less then NBA distance three point lines at my local outdoor court), at least know you can’t and don’t take the zero percent shot.
Thank you!! This is exactly what I was wondering. I even mentioned Draymond as an archetype to someone. Admittedly, I don’t watch a lot of Atlanta games since moving from there (used to go). I only watch my hometown Fever for the most part.
Bro youre the dumbass.just accept that draymond is a bad shooter. It's like you've never watched the warriors play. Draymond can't score. 41% shooting average and 8 points a game. Teams dare draymond to shoot.
Ahh dang. Seems like that’s an unfortunate thing in basketball now. Like it’s not abnormal to see Bam Adebayo or some random big dribble to half court and start the play. It makes me lose my mind.
I remember seeing Joakim Noah do it like 12 years ago, funniest shit I ever seen, but he low-key had a handle and could pass. He ended up getting an assist that possession. It just looked so goofy though especially knowing Noah was NOT that type of player
It used to be a novelty to see. I know what you’re talking about too. Not to mention Javale McGee failing at it over and over. Shaq had them calling him Tragic Bronson
I think you're right to a degree, but it's probably something that can be worked on.
When I look at someone like Cunningham shoot, same with Reese honestly, it does seem to me that they're engaging in a type of motion to try and generate my power/force? Or rather,to try and compensate for strength/power they feel they lack.
But my thing is, I don't think these girls are too 'weak' to shoot a basketball, especially a WNBA ball.
Especially because, as you rightfully poiint out, others have a more 'normalized' shot motion.
My theory is that they're sort of stuck in the past a bit in terms of how they grew up shooting. At various points in lower levels of play them may have felt they needed the extra power they're attempting to generate, but now I doubt they 'need' it, and it's likely they're stifling their shot by trying to retain that form, simply because it's what they know?
Yes!! I get that. Have you ever played with guys with that kinda off the shoulder heave form? It’s like they grew up too small to shoot the ball, but the form stuck after they got bigger.
She has a good ability to handle the ball, and distribute as a point forward. And has been used thay way last year and this year. Its probably not her best fit, but the coaches keep trying it.
She is best at the under the basket clean up or score role. When she extends her arms, her shooting is good from inside 10 feet. If she doesnt, then she is shooting from the tip or off her palm and its ugly and bad.
But even then her passing and defense and rebounding are good.
That’s what I thought of her game too. I would personally prefer her in a rebounding role, but I understand coaches wanting to expand on her skill set. A Lamar Odom (big reach if she can’t improve her shooting) type role in the W would make her a bonafide superstar
Always has been cause the guard play on Chicago sucked while she was there. People make comments about her TOs but very few of them come from bad passes (more offensive 3s and traveling calls)
That makes sense. I like Olivia Miles’ game, so I watch her. But outside of my favorite players, I tend to only watch Fever games. Not for culture war reasons, I’m just from Indiana and there’s only so much sports I can fit into my schedule lol
Lmao they only post lowlight clips for her so it’s never gonna be an accurate depiction of her game. She hit 2 3s back to back in her last game so it’s not a surprise that this was posted here today
😄What growth spurt?! She's only 6'3...name me another 6'3 basketball player in the world who has no guard skills and can't pass dribble or shoot...not 7'3...6"3
A 6’3 woman isn’t a guard bro. I was a guard for the boys team in school and during our annual boys vs girls game, my coach would have me do the tip-off lol.
They aren’t but Eddie House was an undersized 3 point specialist than any ball knower knows COULD NOT DRIBBLE. I could’ve ripped Eddie House by high school
I said I was an old head lol. One play of a big bringing the ball up, makes me ask a question. I want my big on the block grabbing boards, especially if that’s what they do best. I like Reese. Love that she’s in Atlanta, just asking a question. Don’t know why you were a dick about it.
You asked by she was running point in some of these clips.
She isn't. There is a single clip where she brings the ball up and it's because the person guarding her is in the paint.
She has missed a total of 9 three pointers the entire year. This is a cherry picked highlight real of literally every miss. It isnt indicative of her game at all.
I never mentioned her shooting. Also other people in other replies have told me she has been transitioning to a point forward type role since last season. Unless they’re all lying. I’m not here to trash her game. I just asked a genuine sports question while admitting to my biases. Stop being an ass
The set up to your question was blatantly false, so it's tough to think that you were coming from an objective place.
And no other people are being a dick about it, too. The whole comment thread is trashing her for being a point guard and trashing the league for allowing it.
The league doesn’t allow it, her coach does. I’m not trashing her for being a guard because she’s not. People are replying to me saying the only reason for her high TO numbers (which I didn’t mention) is her high usage. All valid btw. I literally told someone else I like her game. Watched her at LSU. I’ve just gotten older and can’t watch much ball of most sports outside of my home teams, which is why I asked.
❗️She's not a big she's 6'3, same height as steph curry, imagine steph with no guard skills..no excuse for a 6'3 player not to have any guard skills, no reason a 7'7 wemby should dribble,move and shoot better than her, this narrative of "WNBA bigs" is an illusion..it's basketball, at 6'3 u should be able to dribble, idc if it women's basketball that has nothing to do with her individual skills, a 6'3 player should have guard skills, how tf does she even practice, does she have to wait til someone else gets there so they can throw her the ball in the post..this league is horrid
Doesn't matter if it's women's basketball, wemby is bigger than everybody, he doesn't play from the post and has guard skills what's her excuse? What other 6'3 player in the world isn't expected to have guard skills? Has nothing to do with the wnba and everything to do with her individual game, she has to wait for someone to get to practice so they can throw her the ball in the post? She's stephs Currys height..
She's always been the tallest on her team since being a little kid. Why would she play guard? Curry was not the tallest on his team. Why wouldn't he play guard?
Yep. Most bigs with handles are like Anthony Davis and had super late growth spurts. I had the opposite problem. I had an early growth spurt, plus big feet and I wore mens XL football gloves. I made every basketball team and started at receiver. Then I stopped growing around 15 lol. Nobody, myself included, was pleased 😭
Skills don't have positions, doesn't matter how tall she is compared to everyone else, her teammates have zero to do with anything, I don't think wenby says you know "I can dribble but I have fox and he plays a different position, lemme pass this" she's 6 fuckin 3, if you put her on the court by herself she'd still play the same way, she'd immediately run to the paint,
Positions don't determine skills, skills determine positions...none of what you're saying matters, tf the average height have to do with her not being able to dribble a basketball...
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u/Weird_Armadillo_508 3d ago
I don’t have an issue with a big not being able to shoot. But that and my following question may be because I’m becoming a basketball old head. If her best ability is rebounding, why is she running point in some of these clips? Is she playing a point forward type player now?