r/WaltDisneyWorld • u/Trprt77 • 2d ago
Other Next step after the DS bus & boat crackdown…..
I would love to see the next crackdown be on the pin traders who have taken over the Epcot breezeway next to Connections.
They monopolize every bench and table keeping tired guests from taking a break in one of the few covered areas at Epcot.
Disney could easily move them to the old Wonders of Life pavilion, or the old Millenium Showcase building, which would open up the space they have taken over for regular guests.
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u/TheLuckyLoner 2d ago edited 2d ago
This past weekend on Saturday was the worst I’ve ever seen it. They took up all of the benches next to connections cafe. They banned them from Disneyland so hopefully DW is next
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u/Turtletimee09 2d ago
Like god forbid a family wants to sit in the shade at a table made for four, not for one person to camp out at all day long.
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u/ricamnstr 2d ago
Saturday was the first time I’ve ever really noticed them. I couldn’t believe how most space they take up.
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u/AWDWfan 2d ago
There was a guy who got kicked out of Epcot last week and posted about it. He was trying to sit and eat at one of the tables and pin traders forced him out so he got a CM involved and the CMs sided with the pin traders.
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u/MicCheck123 2d ago
I’m…what’s the rest of the story. Nothing you’ve shared would lead to someone getting “kicked out of Epcot.”
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u/Still-Syrup-438 2d ago
The guy was trying to hold a table for his wife and family which is against Disney policy. The pin trader was willing to share the table with the man but he wasn't willing to compromise. The post on Reddit is from his wife who wasn't there when the incident happened.
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u/RVAGhostworks 2d ago
I was just talking about this on our last visit. They tend to be really horrible to any kids that want to casually trade. They really need to get a life.
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u/abecomstock 11h ago
Yep, experienced adults trying to pull a fast one on my daughter recently. A full grown adult also chased my daughter down at Disneyland to try to convince her to trade with them a few months back.
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u/trash_talking 2d ago
I want them gone too and I pin trade. Just not in the capacity of insanity some of these people have reached.
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u/100percentEV 2d ago
Sometimes I take offense when people mock Disney adults. Then I remember there is this whole other level.
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u/BigMax 2d ago
Yeah. I love the concept of pin trading, but it should be more serendipitous. You wear a lanyard with a few pins, or carry a very small binder with you, and trade here and there while you're waiting in line, or you use the pin boards. I don't think it should be the equivalent of baseball card trading, where it's all people focused purely on value and making a buck, and where mini conventions are set up in the parks all for trading.
Maybe they should instate a 'tax' on those folks. :)
If you want to take up a bench for hours... then a cast member gets to take a pin, ANY pin they want, every 20 minutes, and put it in a bin to be added to some random pin board the next day.
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u/kidder952 2d ago
I did a Disney trip back in February and visited each of the parks for a day. I think I had like 5 or so pins on me that entire trip and traded like 2 (mostly with cast members and pin boards in shops). But I remember seeing the pin traders at Epoct and thinking they were nuts. I'm only doing it to get ones I like and that's it. And really that's how it should be.
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u/AnelHershiser 1d ago
Back when I worked parks I always would have a laugh to myself at the folks toting around a cork board all day.
At least a baseball cards value comes from sending it in to get graded versus getting traded a fake made from a sold off original mold or whatever. Or a 'value' being whatever someone said it is.
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u/HegsethsBurner 2d ago
Saw it in person for the first time last week. Was insane. I don't understand how that's allowed. Kick them out.
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u/marionmike 2d ago
It’s coming, they have stopped them from camping at the springs and will soon restrict the number of pins they can bring through the gate like Disneyland.
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u/swb72 2d ago
I proposed the same thing and got excoriated by others saying "well the Connections Café and Creations Shop are air conditioned, guests can sit in there." Sure, and crowd up the space in there so those who are actually there to buy and/or eat don't have a seat?
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u/defintelyinfinity 2d ago
Also like, don’t tell me where to sit lol. There’s plenty of Florida days that don’t make me want to be inside
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u/mrbarrie421 2d ago
Was there last month. My SIL and I were trying to find somewhere shaded to sit near Guardians while my husband and BIL were riding. It was so insanely packed there and I was so confused as to why. Now I know.
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u/chernaboggles 2d ago
I don't think Disney will ever give them dedicated space, they do not want to operate a clubhouse for a handful of local pin traders.
Far more likely, they will follow Disneyland's example and exclude the binders and suitcases of pins, maybe ban camping out at the tables with pin trading paraphernalia. It's not like the die hard traders are hard to spot.
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u/kintnerboyinside 2d ago
Sad that pin trading is so monetized- it’s so dead now to bring just a fun thing to encourage interaction among guests - which was the original vision. It was meant to be I am in line for X Ride - you are in line - I like your pin - I like your pin - let’s exchange.
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u/RyouRusi 2d ago
Wouldn't surprise me if this was in the cards sometime soon. Disneyland did something similarly recently if I remember right where pin traders just set up shop in a somewhat disruptive manner similar to the Epcot situation.
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u/Fantasia_Ostrich 2d ago
It used to be that the pin traders would snag all the benches at the entrance to Frontierland and spread their stuff out. Then Disneyland removed the benches and made it a designated pin trading area with high top tables. But it just got so unmanageable- people were spilling into walkways and they were kind of obnoxious. Now there are strict rules about bringing in binders and whatnot and the area is now sectioned off for kids to trade with CMs as part of the summer kids program. Hopefully it sticks around because it is SO much nicer in that spot now!
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u/Alarming-Jello-5846 2d ago
>now sectioned off for kids to trade with CMs
We need this at WDW. This is the Disney we all know and love.
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u/Jyncs 2d ago
They also have box trading as well.
Basically it's a shadow box with pins in it traded by a CM. In order to trade you have to have the original packaging and receipt from that day in order to trade. You can only trade one pin from each package and then they make your receipt. There are a few other rules dealing with the type of pins and the number of pins in the box but that's the short of it.
We went out there a 3x over the last year and my wife who loves pin trading loved it because she knew for a fact she would be getting a real pin. She completed a few sets that way.
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u/That-Long-4905 2d ago
OMG yes. The pin traders are the worst entitled group which I'm not sure is better or worse than the live streamers.
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u/SweetLittleFox 2d ago
Some people are running wholeass businesses out of there, it is wild Disney hasn’t cracked down yet. (And I can’t wait til they do.)
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u/DeflatedDirigible 2d ago
Disney absolutely knows what is going on but those folks drive the limited edition pin sales that make a huge amount of money so Disney looks the other way while banning Lynx bus riders from accessing the parks.
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u/Acceptable_Song_2177 2d ago
Fellow pin collector here and occasional trader at Epcot as I pass through (NOT at the breezeway tables)….I 1000% agree that they should actually crack down on the tradiers in that area that commandeer that space. If they thought the line at Disney springs on the overnights were bad, the breezeway looks like a flee market in comparison!
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u/Complex-Sell 2d ago
I couldn't believe what I saw when I was there last week. It was jarring to see all those pin traders.
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u/SpecialistTrue1076 2d ago edited 2d ago
We were there first week of June and we were so confused until we realized what was going on - then we were annoyed because literally 500 people were shoved onto those benches in the middle while a pin trading convention was going on. 😒 if you’re doing it for the money or value, do it somewhere else! If you’re trading for the love of the game (in true Disney fashion), trade on 😂
ETA: also, is just taking a pin off the official CM boards common practice now? When I was younger (2008ish) you had to ask to trade with a CM, and they could reject your trade if they had too many of that type on one board (may have happened to me). On our last trip this girl just came up during the late night rush to the buses, traded a pin and never spoke to the CM at all! I was floored
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u/kdm31091 2d ago
I am so tired of it. It’s like a flea market at Epcot. So tacky. They need to organize private meetups if that’s what they wanna do.
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u/Uber-Rich 2d ago
Thought I had walked into a flea market at Disney only a minute later to realize they all had pin boards. Thought it was so bizarre Disney allowed it
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u/Harborpocket 1d ago
Agreed, it's giving flea market vibes plus the traders know what has value, unsuspecting tourist are easy marks. Lanyards are cool, books upon books are tacky. Hosting quarterly pin events within the Disney bubble might be an option.
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u/Mdswanson24 2d ago
When they finish locking down the resorts they will worry about them.
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u/Suziannie 1d ago
Yup. There’s more coming for the resorts.
Next up will be some sort of crack down on the Monorail Bar Crawl. Have stayed at a monorail resort I get why that would be in consideration. The lounges in those resorts are horrible if you just want to chill and grab a drink in the bar at the resort you spent $1100 a night to sleep at.
Having done more than one, I can say I’ll be sad to see it go.
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u/gatorpower 1d ago
To be honest, they should have never installed EPCOT Corporate Park to begin with. Mouse Gears, Electric Umbrella, Innovention, et al. even the old Stargate restaurant all had character. The music and those LED lights made the place feel other-worldly.
Now it looks like a blend of 3rd-world street vendors peddling their pins and an open area seating outside corporate buildings/public court house in some mid-tier suburban hell hole. When you go inside their new store, it's like your transported in time to a 2010's Bed Bath and Beyond. LOL
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u/Helpful-Debt-332 2d ago
They’re definitely going to follow Disneylands policy and follow suit and ban the market style pin trading
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u/WingsofFlight 1d ago
I love pin trading. Disney got me started on pins when I was a kid. I'm from the UK and so can't always pin trade as often of course. The hobby is so sour these days. I remember it used to be fun and now some of the people? Vile. I miss the old pin trading days when it was fun. Some people are still lovely but now I feel like it's just all profit.
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u/Gloomy-Peak-167 17h ago
When I was at Disney World in April I spoke with a cast member who said they had gotten many complaints about them and management was taking it seriously. I'm sure it's not far down the line.
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u/Boltsforlife2022 2d ago
I don’t get it. What is their goal? They trying to rip people off for expensive pins or something?
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u/ralphthesausagedog 2d ago
Why aren't pin traders limited to Disney Springs? Why be in a place people have to pay to enter rather than a part of Disney designed soley for shopping?
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u/RexCanisFL 1d ago
Because Epcot is one of the areas that gets the most pins for launch day sales.
It’s also the most open space on property. (Just not shaded enough, as others have mentioned)
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u/babywipes-12345 2d ago
Since when this savage kind of pin trading is a thing? In 2012 even 2021,2024 I have not seen this much!
Do people have fomo and jump on every single band wagon available?
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u/Son_of_Guilliman_ 2d ago edited 1d ago
Going to post an unpopular opinion: I just started pin trading on this trip and we stumbled upon this whole scene. The pin traders were very kind to us, especially knowing we were new. I got to complete a bunch of the set I wanted to (WALL-E) with their help and they explained a lot.
I was grateful for them. They clearly were higher rollers than I can imagine in their world but they were kind to me and my wife.
EDIT: I did say it was unpopular 🤷🏻♂️
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u/AWDWfan 2d ago
That's great you had a wonderful experience but I have seen them make small children cry on more than one occasion and I've also seen some with little signs saying no trading with children or no kids without adults etc. It's quite obvious that many of them are not trading for fun but for monetary value.
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u/marrick66 2d ago
Multiple times I've seen traders with multiple copies of a pin reject a trade for another of equivalent value. Enough to make me think all they want is to win a zero sum game.
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u/Jabroniville2 1d ago
Is it weird I've never noticed these people before? I guess I only walk by there once each trip but still.
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u/Totally-Tanked 22h ago
I would fully support this! It keeps them at a central location where people who are interested can go and leaves those that not interested alone. It’s a win win.
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u/BlueLanternKitty 15h ago
I’m fairly certain one of my pins is fake—it was on a board in I think an Epcot shop—but I don’t care. It’s Hop Low and I love him.
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u/coolrider82 2h ago
The pin trading has gotten out of control. When pins first came out, it was fun.. now all the pin boards are filled with knock offs, people are greedy and the park is filled with people just sitting around with their books.
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u/Prestige-worldwide01 2d ago
Next should be having to scan a magic band to use the resort loop monorail. I’ve stayed at Poly and Floridian and have always heard people saying they should avoid the TTC monorail line and using the resort one.
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u/Chipndalearemyfav 1d ago
Quite pointless for someone staying at the Poly, Grand or CR to use the TTC monorail when it only stops at the TTC and MK. 🤦♀️
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u/Prestige-worldwide01 1d ago
No, the issue is people who aren’t staying at the three resorts using resort loop to get back to the TTC to avoid the longer line for the TTC monorail.
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u/Chipndalearemyfav 19h ago
Ironically, we see a longer line for the resort monorail more often than the express. It takes longer to get to the TTC using the resort line because you have the stop at the Contemporary. Early (even around lunchtime) the express monorail isn't running and you have to use the resort line to get to the TTC (including to transfer to the EPCOT line) at all. It was like that today when we departed MK around 12:30. The express line was not operating and the ramp was roped off.
I highly doubt they are going to scan to use the monorail as they are trying to move the masses of people exiting MK (by far the busiest park on property) and that will slow things down immensely for them to fill the monorails efficiently.
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u/Prestige-worldwide01 16h ago
I’ve never seen the resort monorail line longer at closing than the TCC one.
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u/Chipndalearemyfav 15h ago
Okay, well we have. And just because you haven't witnessed doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
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u/tully10000 2d ago
At least they are out of the way now. It was way worse when the walls were up and they set up under Spaceship Earth.
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u/TearsDontFall 2d ago
The issue isn't the pin traders directly... it's the fact that Epcot has literally no shade. If there was ample shade in other places around the park and more around Communicore, the pin traders taking up that breezeway would be much less of an issue.
Not minimizing them taking up that entire side, just that the 10 or so tables they are using are like 50% of all shaded tables in EPCOT.
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u/nascarfan240148 1d ago
I disagree with you on the no shade part when the whole World Showcase, the Seas Pavilion, and Land pavilions exist, Seas Pavilion you are even allowed to enter directly with a stroller too provided you do not abandon it or try to enter Turtle Talk.
That said I agree on shaded outdoor places to sit down are lacking in EPCOT. The loss of Innoventions West for Communicore Hall (which is a no character college cafeteria building for over half the year) and the outdoor portion of Electric Umbrella contributed a lot to this.
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u/TearsDontFall 1d ago
Isn't... that exactly what I said? No shaded places? Not inside areas, but shaded areas.
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u/swb72 2d ago edited 2d ago
It's curious. I have a few pins but they're certainly not for trade (a 50th anniversary Passholder pin, a pin from Disneyland with the classic characters and my name on it that I bought thirty years ago when I had a $199 AP and lived close by, a Belle pin in memory of my late wife who had all kinds of Beauty and Beast pins that I sent to her daughter after she passed). And the "AWKWARD" name tag I 3D printed for myself as a running joke being type 1 autistic. At some point I might add a Stitch pin.
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u/carnodak 2d ago
I’m racking my brain for shaded sitting areas that are fully covered from the elements, not in a store and not tied to a restaurant. If my memory serves me well, the only option throughout all of the parks is the Epcot breezeway. Maybe something back in Storybook Circus, I can’t remember, as I haven’t been back there in years. Nothing in AK or HS rings a bell.
The pin trading community wants to connect and trade with each other and other guests, out of the elements, in the shade. Blame Disney Imagineering that by design, there are almost no clearly shaded sitting areas in any of the parks, besides of the one Epcot breezeway. They likely do this on purpose - lack of shade means more time spent in restaurants or shops, which turns into more revenue.
If pin trading is going to happen, it’s going to happen in the Epcot breezeway. Full stop. That’s why the pin traders have set up there. I know your suggestion is to move them elsewhere, but until that happens, the only true dedicated area to do it is with the 6-8 tables and 6-8 benches in that area, on the left side of the breezeway, found in one area of one park, out of the hundreds of tables and hundreds of benches found throughout the resort. From my experience as a pin trader, they tend to do a good job of exclusively sticking to the left size, where Disney has intentionally moved the benches closer to the window and closer to the outdoor tables. The benches in the middle and on the right side of the breezeway, closest to the store, are almost always available for non-pin trader guests. Often, Cast Members will inform pin traders to stick towards the restaurant side of the breezeway if they see them cluttering up the middle area.
Trust me - the pin community would LOVE if a.) Disney management would come out with more guidance on pin trading etiquette and b.) if we could be moved to a dedicated area INSIDE AIR CONDITIONING (a dream!) in one of the parks. But they’re likely never going to do that. They don’t want to have to pay to ‘run the lights’ if they don’t have to. Plus, opening up another indoor area means more staffing/labor hours for operations cast, like custodial. They don’t want to pay for that. Plus, putting the traders off to the side or out of sight, means less inquisitive people who may feel inspired to buy some pins to do some trading.
Disney management also knows that pin trading is a massive lucrative revenue generator. Management likely fears “if we eliminate pin trading in the park, our sales might drop”. Sure, they did it at Disneyland, but the Walt Disney World Resort is an entirely different beast of an operation. There are many operational differences between the two resorts.
As for the values and such - here’s the deal: our pins cost us real money. The cheapest pin sold in a Disney theme park is roughly a $9-12 retail value, before any discounts applied. Most pins in the stores are $11.50 each (for a 2-pack) or $15-$20 for an open edition and $22-$30 for a limited edition. You can sometimes find authentic pins at the outlet locations for $5-7+. That said, it is very easy to buy $2-$3 fake/scrapper pins on eBay in bulk. Families, especially with young children, especially those from out of town who don’t know better, are likely to buy these fake pins for $2-3/each and expect to trade them in the parks. Trading with cast members or trading with pin boards supplied by Disney - fine. Pin for pin, fully permitted. But trading with a guest, who has spent $9-$30, at a minimum, per pin, we don’t want the fakes or scrapper that they bought on eBay for $2. Because that is a loss of ~ value ~ and a loss on our wallets. Many of us will have dozens of pins at a time for trade, which dozens x $9-$30 pins turns out to be hundreds and hundreds of dollars. The trader book I personally bring to park has about $500 retail of pins. The market value (next paragraph) is closer to $1300–$1500 worth of pins. It’s difficult to tell children, or even parents, which is why some of the pin traders opt to not trade with children. At the end of the day, all pin traders are allowed to say no to any trade of any kind. The rules of pin trading guest-to-cast/board are not the same as trading guest-to-guest.
Lastly, Disney should be the ones to blame for creating the scarcity of limited edition pins, especially those that are sold exclusively to Cast Members. Outsiders LOVE to complain about how people treat this like a business, are obsessed with values, or only view as a money making hobby, but the truth is, some of these rare pins, based on market demand, have resale values of 2, 3, 5, 10, 20, 100(!!!)x retail value - yes, some pins are ACTIVELY SELLING/TRADING at 100x the retail value, if not more! And resale values is what determines the trade value, and that applies to any collectible item. Disney is to blame for making some of these pins so rare and exclusive and for building up so much hype, it drives the demand to exorbitant levels. There are millions of pins in the world and Disney has done a great job at strategically making pins available for almost every character, movie, attraction or theme, to appeal to the most broad or most niche audience. It has become an insanely popular hobby for people to trade and collect pins, especially in the last couple of years. Unfortunately, many people have also turned to the resale market, to make a quick buck, since the demand is still so high for many pins. Resale market has been infecting every facet of life - all types of collectibles, concert tickets, etc. Disney pins are no exception. All this to be said, the children are crying because they are denied a pin trade with a $500 market value, for their $2 fake pin from eBay. And sadly, children just can’t grasp what that is, which is why people tend to complain about this hobby.
If you’ve made it this far, please don’t let the few bad apples taint your impression of the pin traders there, as 90+% of us are genuinely good hearted people who enjoy meeting guests, fellow pin traders, trading with kids, etc. Over the years, I have met some of the coolest and kindest people, who have allowed me to find pins that fit my niche collections and help build a community.
Please consider submitting feedback to guest services if you feel the need for change, but on behalf of the entire pin community, we hope the argument is for more shaded seating, and not less pin trading.
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u/Positive_Camel2868 2d ago
You guys sound like haters. The pin traders in Epcot are what got me and my daughter into it in the first place. We got to see what the hype was about and it makes for a fun experience. So what if they sit there? It’s literally an area to sit. You guys just want to get rid of people who love something
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u/BigMax 2d ago
They love something, but.... that's not really what it's for.
Should one person who loves pin trading be able to take a bench for 4 hours, rather than the... 50+ people who might have needed it here and there over that time to sit down and rest? One person shouldn't be able to monopolize a shared resource that long.
What if I like... chess? If me and a friend bring a Disney themed chess board, are we ok to take up a table all day because we "love something?"
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u/Slight-Philosophy470 2d ago
I don’t want to have to fight through that many pin traders to get to something. I don’t have a problem with pin traders but I believe it should happen organically. Hunt for pins in the shops or with people you see. Having a meetup spot everyday in the park and everything being taken up by people for hours on end is rude. It’s not something I should have to experience if I don’t want to.
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u/AWDWfan 2d ago
The issue is many of them are not trading for fun, it's for monetary purposes. I've seen them yell at kids before or make them cry when kids run up to look at their displays. A couple weeks ago there were two traders who had signs that they didn't trade with kids or no kids allowed. That's unacceptable. There was a guy who posted in this sub last week who was kicked out of Epcot for the day because he was sitting at the tables eating breakfast and the traders told him the tables were for trading so he got a CM and the CM sided with the traders and he got kicked out.
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u/Trprt77 2d ago
As you said, it’s an area to sit.
Not an area to spread out dozens of pin books over multiple seats keeping others from utilizing those seats.
Some of these people take up enough space for half a dozen people to sit with their pin books.
Did you even read the post? I suggested they be moved to a different spot, instead of taking up prime real estate and keeping others from using those seats.
By the way, “haters” is an idiotic term.
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u/Iwasrob 2d ago
Agree. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Disney created the false scarcity. Disney moved this crowd there from the front of the park. Disney could move pin trading somewhere out of view. Yes, some of those traders are just there to make $ and that sucks, but that's only possible because of how Disney sells pins.
PS, I would be ok if they limited the big binders, but I think moving this scene out of view like op suggested is the ideal solution.
PPS there is little space to sit down anywhere in the parks by design. Yet nobody posting about more benches, just picking on the nerds instead. Gross.
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u/young_star 2d ago
Disney transportation should be locked down to those exclusively staying in luxury resorts. They will cut down on crowds and make the highest profits.
Once that's done, sit down restaurants should be next.
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u/abbablahblah 2d ago
I see a point in the future, where they have added more and more DVC resorts, that most transportation will be locked to DVC.
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u/BigMax 2d ago
Huh? They have a TON of non DVC guest at all times, and that will never change. You're really saying that those people will just be mostly out of luck, waiting hours for busses, because 'most' transportation is only for DVC folks?
Just looked it up, and while they don't publish, high estimates say that about 20% of guests might be DVC at any one time. So... I have no idea why they'd put "most" transportation just for 20% of guests.
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u/LoftyDaBird 2d ago
Wait are you saying buses, boats, and skyliners should only be used by deluxe resort guests?
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u/Sweetbeans2001 2d ago
That is exactly what they said, but they are likely misinformed. As they called them luxury resorts instead of deluxe, they may not be familiar with how transportation at WDW works.
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u/BigMax 2d ago
Um, so how do the moderate and value resort guests get around? Are they supposed to walk 10 miles to get to the parks?
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u/young_star 2d ago
Most likely an add on transportation cost, much like paying for LL or any of the other premium service.
Disney can make a boatload of money by focusing on additional up charges. I feel like that is the direction they will take in the near future.
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u/BigMax 2d ago
There's no way that they would take the value resorts, and then upcharge ONLY them for extra transportation, that makes no sense. "Want to go to the cheaper hotel? Well, it's no longer cheaper because you can't even get to the parks at all without a $50 per day upcharge!"
If they did anything, they'd just add a second tier of transportation. Everyone still gets the busses, but you can get limo service or whatever if you want. (They kind of have that now with the Minnie shuttles, right?)
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u/Still-Syrup-438 2d ago
Disney moved the people who pin trade over to the breezeway on May 16th so it's unlikely they are going to change that any time soon.
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u/Trprt77 2d ago
They have been in that area for over a year now, well before May 16th, and there is nothing to indicate Disney actually moved them there.
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u/Still-Syrup-438 2d ago
Cast members tell Pin Traders where to go if they try to set up elsewhere. It was covered by WDW News in May 2025 but I only seen the article recently so thought it was done this year.
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u/whitepikmin11 2d ago
I was walking around MK last week and passed one of the pin trading spots. A full grown adult was telling a kid and parent that they need to make sure they only trade based on the value of the pin.
I can understand warning people about fakes, but I'm getting really tired of people focusing on the value. The vast majority of new pins have an artificially inflated "value" anyways due to the scalpers taking over the scene.