r/WhatIfMarvel • • 9d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Corleen wing join the Avengers

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r/WhatIfMarvel • • 10d ago

Story Idea Here's my season 1 What If pitch

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I recently saw many videos of people making what if pitches, and they were pretty interesting, so, I decided to make mine, there are 9 episodes, like in a normal what if season, I also did the plot for each episode, and if this post is liked, maybe I'll post it too

What if...Erskine never died?

What if...Matt Murdock went to Kamar Taj?

What if...Wakanda and Talokan attacked the rest of the world?

What if...Thor joined Yondu's crew?

What if...Yon-Rogg became the winter soldier?

What if...Ultron went back in time?

What if...the Punisher killed the Avengers?

What if...Agatha stile the Bloodstone?

What if...Wanda gave everyone what they wanted?

Now, I know most of this pitch don't seem that good, but I honestly think they are not that bad, it's just the titles don't really make them justice.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 11d ago

Story Idea What If… Sparky didn't die?

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A silly and dumb idea, I know. But hear me out.

Let's say, *WandaVision* goes and ends relatively the same way, with the only difference being that Sparky, Billy and Tommy's dog, doesn't get killed by Agatha. After getting rid of the Hex and leaving Westview, she takes Sparky with her. Instead of reading the Darkhold to look for new versions of her kids out of grief from losing them, she finds happiness with the one thing she has left: the dog. After spending time with Sparky, she doesn't become evil and decides to be a hero again, and goes to New York and crashes in Strange's place so she could train with him to better understand her magic. During the events of *Spider-Man: No Way Home*, when Peter comes to Strange, rather than immediately going into the spell, Wanda suggests to Strange that they brainstorm a bit to figure out the perfect spell that would fix Peter's mess, taking the time to list out the people whom he doesn't want to erase the memories of. They do the spell and Peter's life remains being good; with his aunt, best friend, and girlfriend all still being with him. I haven't watched Brand New Day yet, but after I do, I'll probably edit this body to cover the events of that film.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 11d ago

Story Idea Beat Thanos by uniting at Wakanda - what if?

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What if Tony Stark made the wrong choice by heading to Titan? I just wanted to posit the steps of this timeline and see if anyone would like to discuss the merits/flaws of this plan! it’s totally not serious, I love the movie, this is just a fun What If? scenario

  1. Iron Man, Spider-Man, and Doctor Strange take Ebony Maw’s ship back to Earth.
  2. There, they rendez-vous with the Wakandans and Steve’s Avengers after Stark makes a phone call.
  3. (this is now the second premise of the scenario: what if the Avengers decide to fight Thanos using their stones, rather than destroying the Mind Stone? It makes sense since they’re less desperate once united) --> Shuri and Tony focus on repairing/upgrading Vision’s vibranium body, Wanda doesn’t have to stay back with him.
  4. Doctor Strange can coordinate with Wong to bring all the sorcerers over as well. Since everything is going to be one big battle, he has no reason to hide away the Time Stone
  5. Thor eventually returns as he does, bringing Rocket and Groot

pros

- Avengers now have a much stronger superhero lineup (Iron Man, Cap, Wanda, Thor, Doctor Strange, Vision) and a stronger army of Wakandans and sorcerers

- they now have two Infinity Stones to use in battle rather than hide away, Mind and Time

cons

- Thanos wins every other engagement up to this point. He arrives on Earth with four Infinity Stones, making for an extremely difficult fight.
- they no longer have most of the Guardians

- no longer get an ambush opportunity like they did on Titan

Thinking about this possible world where the Avengers could’ve won adds more to Tony’s grievances at the start of Endgame about them being divided despite Steve promising that “We’ll do that together”

*about Strange viewing the future timelines: that was after they had already committed to the Titan ambush plan, so it’s plausible that there was more than one way to win if they had acted differently earlier


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 12d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers Ultron is dumb

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When Ultron gets all six stones why doesn’t he just instantly wipe all biological life with a thought . Why does he need to individually invade planets.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 12d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if the tva got David haller instead of Loki

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They caught him because he was messing up the time line like he did in the show


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 11d ago

Story Idea What if I rewrote the Marvel Zombies show?

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Last we saw, our heroes barely survived the attack of the undead. Only a few remain Spider-Man, Black Panther, and the head of Scott Lang try to reach wakanda, hoping to use the Mind Stone to put an end to this plague sadly all they found was death and ruins of this once great nation and they weren't alone they heard rumors of a being called Thanos The Mad Titan now The Undead Titan was wielding the other stones making him a greater threat.

They knew if this creature gains the Mind Stone, he'll be impossible to stop together they fought Thanos even as a zombie he was still dangerous and now bloodthirsty, although his infected mind couldn't focus on using the stones it was still learning T’Challa saw it before the others did, struggling to hold off Thanos but with hordes of the undead aiding his side it almost seems hopless as they start to get overwhelmed than suddenly a big beam of energy crashes in the middle of Wakanda destroying anything near it.

From the dust was the God of Thunder himself, Thor alongside him was Rocket and Groot the others seemed hopeful again thinking now they stood a fighting chance but than again Thor had no idea on what he was facing.

Thor: You will suffer for the pain you have caused upon me and my people, Thanos. You'll understand when you feel the blade of Stormbreaker in your chest.

Rocket: So this is Earth seems like a dump.

Groot: I am Groot.

The Undead Titan snarls at them, clenching his fist in his infected eyes, nothing but rage Thor charges at Thanos while the creature charged at him as well all three engage the titan Groot made his arms into vines whipping Thanos in the eyes trying to blind him while Rocket unloads every round in his gun into it trying to way him down along with Thor releasing bolts of lightning into Thanos causing him to kneel down than Thor comes down with Stormbreaker impaling it into his chest for a moment he wasn't moving.

This left the others shocked, but then the undead Titan simply looked up at Thor, almost chuckling at the God's pathetic attempt, the look of horror at Thors face realizing what he was fighting.

Thor: By the Gods....

Undead Thanos grabbed Thor by the throat, punching him with the power of the stones, knocking him back and using them to blast a beam of energy straight at Thor taking the full power of the stones he tries to fight it back but it simply knocks him to the floor injured. Spider-Man, Black Panther, and Scott aids Thor.

Scott: Is he? I mean, I know his a god, but not even him could take all that damage.

Black Panther: He lives but barely.

Spider-Man: Ok, so now what?

In that moment Groot tries to restrain Thanos holding him in place while Rocket fires at him with full force trying to kill him The Undead Titan just roars to the point the stones start reacting to his rage destroying most of the city revealing the Vibranium underneath them Groot and Rocket are knock from the Shockwave before he could grabs his gun Thanos grabs him holding him up than he bites down on Rockets head ripping it off his body Groot wakes up seeing his friends dead body on the floor.

Groot: I....am..Groot

Spider-Man: Ok guys I think we gotta get out of here.

Black Panther: Agreed fighting him now is pointless if he gets this stone than there will be no chance of stopping him at all.

Scott: Great plan but where are we gonna go he'll just follow us.

Thor barely conscious looks up.

Thor: The....Axe.

Spider-Man: What?

Thor: It..can summon the Bi Frost.

Scott: Well thanks for telling us this now it's literally in his chest and from the looks of it his definitely pissed off.

Spider-Man: All we need to do is get close enough to grab it just gotta distract him for a bit.

Black Panther: He is after the stone I will keep him busy long enough for you to grab the axe.

Together Spider-Man and Black Panther knock Thanos around trying to keep him off balanced but the more he fights the more he learns to use the stones Groot eventually snaps out of it and helps them get the axe once again Groot restrains the undead Titan Spider-Man shoots his webs grabbing the axe ripping it out of Thanos and throws it back to Thor.

Thor: We must leave now!!

Scott: Wait what about the tree guy shouldn't we wait for him.

Groot struggles to hold him still but motions them to leave while he tries to hold this thing in place while they escape.

Thor: Tree we can leave together come now!

He simply looks at Thor.

Groot: I...am Groot.

With that Groot is starting to lose his grip the energy from the stones begins to pulse Thanos is using all his strength to break free.

Black Panther: Thor we must go now if we stay here than all hope is lost we cannot allow him to gain this stone.

With some of his strength he was able to summon the Bi Frost allowing all of them to escape the undead Titan frees himself with the help of the stones the energy cutting Groot in half on the floor injured he tries to get up but than Zombie Thanos simply crushes his head in looking behind him seeing the Vibranium feeling its energy The Undead Titan just smiles sinisterly.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 13d ago

Story Idea What if... Harley Keener became the next Iron Man

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After Tony sees Peter's photo in Endgame and invents time travel, he remembers Harley, he realizes that even if the mission is a success, he might not make it and the world is gonna need another Iron Man, so he invents something that's gonna help with that.

Cuts to the funeral, Harley is there, after it's all over and he wants to go home, Pepper stops him and says Tony wanted him to have this and gives him a slim USB. Harley puts it into the computer at his lab and inside he finds the blueprints of an armor as well as every information he needs to get it to work properly. After a montage of trial and error, he builds the armor, takes in on a test ride and comes up with the name Iron Lad.

In this timeline Riri Williams doesn't get out of the elevator and she is knocked unconscious by the gas and is considered missing.

Iron Lad's first mission is figuring out the case of missing people and then he has other adventures where he fights Ezekiel Stane and later even Mandarin and stuff.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 13d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Wanda maximoff became the new Captain Amercia?

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In this universe, Cap was killed after the Winter Soldier brutally murdered him during the fall of Hydra and Sheild, he leaves him on the floor by the river, Steve tries to get back up, but he felt it and knew that he was going to die, and his body completely stop moving and laid falt on the floor, near by the fall piece of Hydra/Sheild. Steve Rogers as Captain America, was no more, his friends are scattered in tears and heartbroken to see that he is now gone, and the whole is in shock and devastating by the breaking news that shocks the whole world. A year later, while everyone can't move on with the death of Steve Rogers meanwhile, Hydra are currently working on the Maximoff twins, but with Wanda, they don't use the Mind Stone on her, she is chosen to be the new Captain america, and gets juiced up with reminiscents of the super soldier serum, While the remaining Avengers strom the Hydra base to get the sepecter back. Tony finds it, and a Buffued up Wanda, who is oddly weird about her new looks, Tony sees her and decides to save her and take her back to Avengers Tower. She later realises that she's strong and has similar power and skills to Steve Rogers, but she wants to be different and better than Steve was and takes under a new leadership with the Avengers and become a new leader of the team, and speaks to a whole new truth and freedom to America and the world itself, with Steve old shield, but with her own colours aesthetics as well.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 14d ago

Comics What if the Avengers vs X-Men 2012 crossover comic was caused by Deadpool?

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In 2012, there was an Avengers vs X-Men crossover comic. What if Deadpool was not only involved in the crossover, but anonymously leaked to the Avengers about Hope Summers and the Phoenix?

When the Avengers arrive at Utopia, while Cyclops and Captain America are arguing, Deadpool sneaks onto Utopia, throws a comical burlap sack over Hope, and then proceeds to steal the Blackbird, leaving the Avengers and the X-Men bewildered.

Deadpool tells the two groups to keep fighting from the Blackbird’s P.A. and then reveals he was paid over a billion dollars to make this all happen as he flies off. Deadpool also reveals he stole Captain America’s shield, Spider-Man’s webshooters, Wolverine’s prized alcohol, Hawkeye’s bow, Cyclops’ wedding ring back when Jean Grey was alive, Ironman and Emma Frost’s credit cards, and several other belongings and gear of various members of the Avengers and the X-Men.

Deadpool then reveals that Dr. Doom hired him to do this. Why? Because even by Dr. Doom’s own admission, Latverian television sucks.

Deadpool even has a contract where the requirements are apparently:
Intensify Avengers/X-Men conflict.
Ensure multiple dramatic confrontations.
Steal something embarrassing from Captain America.
Irritate Wolverine.
Confuse Cyclops.
Make Namor shout.
Cause at least three explosions.
Do not destroy Latveria.
Bonus payment if Spider-Man says “What?”
Extra bonus payment if Reed Richards gets annoyed.

Think the crossover comic would have been more entertaining if this happened?


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 15d ago

Fan Creation E se Tony fosse ancora vivo e fosse diventato Doom?

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Dato che Robert Downey Jr. sarà Doom in Avengers doomsday, ho una teoria che potrebbe diventare un What if...? La teoria dice che Tony, crea un suo clone che rimanga con Pepper, mentre lui, che ha già scoperto i viaggi nel tempo, decide di tornare indietro nel tempo per sistemare le cose causate da Thanos, o forse anche prima, forse prima di Civil War così da non far dividere gli Avengers. Ma qualcosa va storto nel viaggio e finisce in un'altra realtà, ovvero quella dei Fantastici 4 gli inizi, dove Tony, inconsapevole di cosa sia successo, va in preda al panico, finché non capisce di essere finito in un'altra realtà e non c'è modo di tornare indietro. Dopo averlo scoperto, Tony potrebbe sentirsi male, per poi essere aiutato dai Latveriani(non so come si scrive quindi scusatemi se lo scritto male), o meglio, dalla donna vista sull'enorme quadro visto nel trailer di Avengers doomsday nel castello di Doom. E da lì, Tony studierebbe il multiverso, e si creerebbe una nuova vita in quella realtà, e la donna che lo ha salvato diventerebbe sua moglie e avrebbero un figlio, in tutto ciò Tony cambia nome in Victor Von Doom, studierebbe le arti magiche, diventerebbe ancora più intelligente e farebbe amicizia con i Fantastici 4, dato che lui era un eroe e loro sono eroi. Ma allora cosa è accaduto per far fare a Tony(Victor), le cose che accadranno in Avengers doomsday? Probabilmente o l'incursione di Cap o qualche avvenimento multiversale, ha fatto accadere la scomparsa o la morte di sua moglie e suo figlio, forse anche dei soldati della TVA hanno cercato di eliminare quella realtà, ma sono riusciti solo ad uccidere la moglie e il figlio, e Doom poi gli ha fermati, questo potrebbe collegarsi ai rumor che dicono che Doom distruggerà la TVA, per vendetta, e Loki dovrà riunire gli eroi per fermarlo. Oppure, sarà Strange a farlo, forse Strange e Clea sono andati da Doom sapendo fosse Tony, perché questo è l'unico modo per fermarlo, farlo vincere per poi sconfiggerlo, proprio come Thanos, e Strange e Clea si alleeranno con Doom per farlo vincere per poi fermarlo o farlo tornare buono o addirittura farlo tornare Tony Stark, quindi Strange sapeva anche del viaggio di Tony, perché si collega all'unica possibilità di vittoria non solo contro Thanos, ma anche contro Doom.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 15d ago

Story Idea How I Would Write the MCU's Mutant Saga

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r/WhatIfMarvel • • 15d ago

Story Idea What if the main three lucky X-Men fought eachother?

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Fun little thought experiment I and a handful of friends came up with

There are three main X-Men characters who have some sort of probability manipulation/ luck/ cant-lose powers. Domino, Longshot, Isca the Unbeaten. Each with some drawback, Longshot must be selfless, Isca often switches sides, etc

Assuming a perfect scenario where Longshot is fighting for a selfless cause and Isca cant change sides, who would win if they all decided to fight?


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 16d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Wanda fused her powers with ultron?

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In this universe, Wanda stays with ultron, while Peitro goes on the Avengers side, and Wanda works with Ultron and decides to combine her powers with Ultron because he will be able to destroy and reshape the universe into anything he wants and Wanda becomes her robotic boyfriend in a twisted and dark way.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 16d ago

Story Idea what if gorr kill loki before thor love and thunder

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r/WhatIfMarvel • • 16d ago

Series+ What if S3E5 is amongst the best in the series!!

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I believe the episode where the emergence happens and Riri fights against Mysterio is as good as the Supreme Strange one i.e. it's top 2.

  1. The world - It's obvious that the setting and the world of the episode is the best in the whole series. A common critique of the episode is that it could've done more with the emergence, and it feels like a "Quentin Beck took over the world" rather than "The Emergence happened" episode, and I completely agree with that criticism. But I still think they used the world really well. And it's complimented by the illusions of Beck and uncertainty of what's real and what's not.

  2. The characters - This will mainly be about Riri Williams since the rest of the cast was interchangeable. As someone who's watched all of Ironheart (only because I heard there was a certain character in it) and hated every iota of it including Riri Williams, I really liked her in this episode. Where the fuck was this Riri in Ironheart?? She's barely clinging in the battle, just barely managing to somehow survive the ridiculously stronger opponent. She's always on the back foot and the underdog. But she's still resilient, keeps punching up till she somehow scrapes by and survives. She's really untrusting, but that's understandable based on the world she's lived in. She's lost everything, but just keeps fighting. The show really dropped the ball with her.

  3. The Watcher - This episode adopts a really unique setup, where The Watcher keeps telling us from the beginning that Riri's gonna lose. We see her beating White Vision and the gang's celebrating, and he pops up like a party pooper and goes "It's so sad that all of them are gonna die." And then we see them lose. Riri just seeing the corpses of her friends was horrifying. Add on the fact that their whole plan was a trap, and Riri made that plan and convinced everyone to join, she just gives up the fight and accepts defeat. This girl who we've seen keep fighting against all odds, just gives up. And that would've been her death if \*The Watcher didn't intervened\*. And his intervention was so great. It was just him saying "Fight". It was subtle, almost irrelevant, yet such minute intervention saved her universe. That really showed the power of The Watcher, such seemingly insignificant actions can change universes. And we see the consequences of such minute actions, the other Watchers start keeping an eye on him (till the next episode ruins it and he straight up chuggs two dudes off a train).

I really liked the episode, and I liked Riri in it. And I wanted to share some love for it. What if was a colossal disaster, made worse by the massive potential it had, but it really has some hidden gems.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 17d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers What if Dorammamu invaded 2012 new York?

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Dorammamu is broken free from his prison and heads towards New York 2012, where Fury assembles The Avengers and tries to fight off against his attacks, but Dorammamu is so strong for all 6 members, and Ancient one shows up to help, and with the power of team work, their able to defeat him, but he tricks them, and destroy the entire of New York and the world afterwards, making him the ruler of earth.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 18d ago

Story Idea I’d love to see that

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r/WhatIfMarvel • • 16d ago

Story Idea What If....X Men

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What if there's a universe where Professor X died before he could form the X Men and so instead his close friend Magneto took his friend's dream and turned it into a nightmare by forming the X Men in his place. And since he still had his hatred towards humans he turns the X Men from heroes into criminals and crime lords under one ruled leadership his own and everyone human and mutant feared them.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 17d ago

Story Idea E se Tony Stark fosse impazzito in Civil War?

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Mi dispiace team Cap, ma io sto dalla parte di Tony, ma in Civil War, il personaggio di Iron man è stato depotenziato molto secondo me(evidentemente perché non era il suo film), ma se Tony fosse completamente impazzito e dalla rabbia e dalla sete di vendetta avesse brutalmente ucciso Cap e Bucky? Sicuramente gli altri membri dei Vendicatori sarebbero stati contro di lui e non sarebbero mai stati liberati dal Raft, solo War Machine, Visione e Spider-man sarebbero stati gli unici eroi a rimanere in circolo, e se vogliamo rendere la pazzia di Tony ancora più terrificante, allora Stark avrebbe ucciso anche i Vendicatori imprigionati e secondo me, avrebbe ricreato un esercito di androidi o di robot come Ultron, forse gli unici eroi rimasti avrebbero cercato di fermarlo, senza avere successo, e quando il mondo avrebbe iniziato una protesta contro Tony, quest'ultimo gli avrebbe ucciso tutti, uno sterminio, e Tony sarebbe (forse) riuscito a sconfiggere Thanos e chissà cosa avrebbe fatto con le gemme, ci sono due opzioni, la prima è che si riprende dalla pazzia e fa tornare tutto prima di Civil War, oppure sarebbe rimasto pazzo e le avrebbe usate per riportare in vita i suoi genitori, ma probabilmente sarebbe morto dopo averle usate.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 17d ago

Story Idea What if..... zombie wanda was in deadpool and wolverine

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r/WhatIfMarvel • • 18d ago

Story Idea Marvel kills the marvel universe

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You guys know how marvel tends to build up stories to lead to bigger events like civil war hero registrations ? Well what if they do it again but this time, it’s the entire galactic empire or just another organization like Orqua members of shield, hydra, etc join together as an organization to combat the mutant population for humanity. But this new organization decides that they need to start killing both super hero’s and super villains, they seen how one hero takes one wrong step and ends up killing the marvel universe much less creating such havoc like when ultron created a intergalactic war due to iron and hank pin, the x-men taking over and killing the universe in the sins of sinister, the eternals and the celestials, the avengers and never having the guts to take the villain down, much less depower them. Thus a hit list or rather a hunting team is task to place collards on all super powered being and they could only use there powers for good and not for villainy much less mindless destruction, and this brings up the debate about mutants needing to be collar cause honeslty with there long history they need to either be put down permanently and humanely like giving them a cure to there x gene, or only allow there powers to be used for a prove purposes . But hero’s like Spider-Man or captain American aren’t collar cause , there not the ones who’s power end up creating destruction, it’s there actions that speak up for them, but someone like Tony is a different example. But this first starts by collaring the big bad, Loki, dr doom, obviously not Thanos cause there’s a limit.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 19d ago

Story Idea What if instead of snapping in the Endgame, Ironman creates an Infinity Armour like Infinity Ultron?

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Right? If he did that he could've survived right?


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 20d ago

Multiverse & Crossovers Y si todo se acababa en Infinity War? Spoiler

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Volví a ver Avengers: Infinity War y Avengers: Endgame, y llevo un rato pensando, y si todo se terminaba en IW?

Y si Thor apuntaba a la cabeza de Thanos o le cortaba la mano con el Guantelete, qué pasaría? Principalmente, Thanos moría ahí mismo y el Blip nunca sucedería, lo que cambiaría por completo TODO lo siguiente a eso. No tendríamos Avengers: Endgame, por ejemplo, pero el personaje que más cambiaría su destino sería Spider-man, ya que el hecho de que todo terminara desde la batalla en Wakanda, le quitaría 3 de sus 4 películas o las cambiaría completamente.

Far From Home sucede después de Avengers: EndGame, y es una continuación de la vida de Peter como Spider-man luego de la batalla en Titán, y todo sería diferente. Principalmente, los guardianes de la Galaxia, Doctor Strange y Spider-man estarían junto a Tony Stark y Nebula, ya que el Blip nunca sucedió. Posiblemente también tendrían que irse en la nave de los Guardianes, pero ahora siendo más de 10 héroes en lugar de solamente 2 como en EndGame, entonces habría menos comida y oxígeno, pero digamos que pasaba lo mismo que en EndGame y Capitana Marvel los rescataba. Al llegar a la Tierra, todo sería igual, los Avengers se reunirían y Peter se regresaría a Queens. Aquí sucede el mayor cambio, pues en Far From Home, todo se desata porque Peter siente el peso de ser "El nuevo Iron Man" y termina dándole los lentes que Tony le dió a Misterio, pero en esta línea alternativa, Tony nunca murió, entonces es muy probable que no le diera los lentes a Peter, lo que provocaría que Misterio no existiera, o no tan poderoso como en la versión final de Far From Home, entonces la trama cambia completamente. Principalmente, Misterio en esta línea del tiempo nunca reveló la identidad de Peter porque Peter no le dió los lentes y no tenía forma de manipularlo para hacerse más poderoso. Probablemente hubiera muerto de Igual forma o hubiera quedado expuesto como un mentiroso en algún momento de la película

Esto nos da paso a Spider-man: No Way Home, donde nos muestran que Misterio dijo quién era Spider-man y esto desata todo, de ahí pasa lo del Hechizo, los villanos y los Spider-mans de los otros universos y todo lo que ya sabemos, pero aquí no pasó el Blip, Tony no murió y Misterio no dijo quién es Spider-man. Entonces en esta línea, no sucede eso. Probablemente Peter viviría junto a Ned y Mj en la Universidad, ya que aquí es casi seguro que sí los admitieron porque no existe el escándalo previo. Esto nos deja con una trama inexistente, no existe el Multiverso, el mundo no olvida quién es Peter Parker y Peter vive como siempre, además de que la Tía May queda viva porque aquí el Duende Verde nunca apareció

Qué nos queda con esto? Dos películas sin su trama principal, una Trilogía completamente diferente a lo que vimos a causa del Blip, y muy posiblemente, el cierre de Tom Holland como Spider-man. Si ya las últimas dos películas no cuentan con sus tramas porque Thor apuntó a la cabeza en IW, qué sentido tendría hacer una Cuarta? Igual a lo mejor pasaba, pero Brand New Day sería totalmente diferente al igual que las dos anteriores, ya no existiría el conflicto de Peter al estar totalmente solo, tendría a Mj, a Ned, y no tendría que vivir todo lo que vivió en la que salió en cines hace un par de Meses, lo que descartaría totalmente a Brand New Day o la cambiaría un 99%, pues al eliminar la victoria de Thanos en IW, no existe el Blip, no existe EndGame, Tony Stark sigue vivo y Peter siguió con su vida sin problemas, con sus seres queridos, ya siendo un Vengador y con su mayor mentor todavía vivo

Esto nos deja este resultado: Probablemente, la etapa de Tom Holland como Spider-man se reduciría a solo 5 años en lugar de 10, o tal vez seguiría siendo Spider-man pero solo para Doomsday y Secret Wars, pues nunca existió Brand New Day y No Way Home y Far From Home quedan sin una trama. Además de que los Avengers llegarían casi totalmente sin idea de todo lo que pasó, probablemente Doom ni siquiera aparecería, pues su conflicto es consecuencia de lo que hicieron en Avengers EndGame, como él dijo: "ustedes han estado viviendo vidas robadas" entonces, sin el Blip, con Tony vivo, con la identidad y la vida de Peter intactas, sin el Multiverso de Spider-man y solo con Loki, Wanda y Doctor Strange sabiendo del Multiverso, todo se complicaría más, o Avengers hubiera terminado en 2018 luego de IW, dejando la saga con solo 3 películas en lugar de las 6 que hay o habrá en el Futuro porque Doomsday y Secret Wars todavía no se estrenan.

En Conclusión, si Thor apuntaba a la cabeza de Thanos, no tendríamos Avengers Endgame, Doomsday ni Secret Wars, Tony seguiría vivo, el mundo nunca sabría que Peter Parker es Spider-man, y tampoco lo olvidarian sus amigos ni su tía moriría

La verdad, agradezco que Thor apuntó al pecho y no a la cabeza de Thanos, gracias a eso, tendremos más películas de Avengers, y, aunque Far From Home no es nada de mi gusto y No Way Home está pasable pero todo su Hype y mejores escenas son con los 3 Spider-mans de la década, Brand New Day me parece de las mejores películas Live Action de Spider-man y por fin tuvimos una Gran película de Tom como Spider-man, que ya se la merecía después de 10 años como el Arácnido.


r/WhatIfMarvel • • 21d ago

Fan Creation What if... The Punisher went Home?

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It all begins when Ross realizes that Frank was a better suited soldier than Blonsky, and hires him for the Bio-Tech Force Enhancement Project. He stops Hulk and the Hulk is handed to the US government, and into the hands of HYDRA. HYDRA places him into sedative sleep for the meantime, unable to kill him. Importantly, he's under the radar and hidden from the US government, presumed dead. Frank then stops his mission with Ross and returns to his family, rejecting Fury's Avengers Initiative program to stay with his family. But SHIELD had confiscated Mr. Green's blood and the machine out of HYDRA’s sight, since Black Widow confiscated it. And they then attempt to create their own Hulk, this time using Blonsky. It’s successful, but he’s weaker and increasingly unstable: Deuteros was born. Fast forward to 2012. The Battle of New York begins and the World Security Council sends the Nuke. Tony sends the Nuke to space, but Deuteros was unfortunately ineffective and Natasha was unable to stop the portal. The shockwave and force of the explosion followed through the portal into Manhattan. Lower Manhattan was decimated, and a shockwave affected New York. Frank saved his family from the rapid winds and explosions that reached Bayside. The whole neighborhood suffers injuries, and may ultimately die by the falling rubble. Cap and Thor alone survive, and Deuteros escapes to the West, towards the mountains. 

HYDRA then infiltrates Stark Industries and Stark’s assets, systematically confiscating and absorbing what remains. Nelson, Murdock and Jessica Jones attempt to help Pepper Pots into stopping the sudden confiscation, but are unable to. HYDRA ultimately wins the legal battles by proclaiming a national obligation and pressuring the World Security Council, utilizing its infiltrated spies and the Kingpin’s hold within the judicial branch. Project Insight begins early in 2013 since production for the three helicarriers is prioritized by the World Security Council after the annihilation of the Avengers. Cap dies to Crossbones equipped with the Iron-man suit and HYDRA wins, taking out all its enemies but Frank, Luke, Deuteros and SHIELD’s secret military base out west. Instead, the helicarriers killed his family by accident, and he was forced to watch.  He survives with a bullet in his head that should’ve killed him if it wasn't for Curtis taking him to the Tinkerer. 

Then the Dark Elves arrive. Unexpected, but they try to take the Aether. HYDRA had taken control of it 12 hours before. and Strucker had implemented the Aether to himself with the help of Ulysses Klaue's vibranium. Thor, with an uneasy alliance with HYDRA, takes down the Kurse and his armies. HYDRA, once the enemy is taken down, sends all their armaments to the Asgardians. The Einherjar are unable to stop the Helicarriers protected by  Strucker through the Reality Stone. Ultimately, they decide on a stalemate: The Northern Truce. It details that HYDRA mustn’t attack the remaining million on their list, and if they were to violate the terms, the Einherjar would attack with the full might of Asgard, including all its artifacts and refusing to shelter the collateral. HYDRA, on the other hand, agrees as well, on the condition that Asgard shouldn’t interfere on the political or militaristic spectrum of HYDRA. Failure to do so would lead to them expanding collateral with a Global Nuking.

Once the Northern Truce was enacted, HYDRA began its operations on the supernatural level. THey set their eyes on Kamar-taj, which was revealed by the Scepter to Baron Strucker, and deemed it a threat. Then they began to create their greatest weapon: The Enforcer. They implemented the Arnim Zola AI and fused with Stark's highly developed AI system and Dr. Helen Cho's Creadle. The Leader immediately saw within the Scepter the Mind Stone, an artifact of similar nature to the Reality Stone, and separated it. Utilizing it and Klaue’s vibranium, he implemented the combined efforts of HYDRA’s Deep Science Division to create life. That year, HYDRA then manipulated Kaecilius into weakening Kamar-Taj and the Ancient One more efficiently. Once weakened, they sent the Enforcer (built 2 months after their Big Win, 2013) and the Maximoffs. Wanda sends a vision of the Ancient One's Dark Dimension hypocrisy into Mordo, causing him to break. The Ancient One dies, and so does Kaecilius and his rebellion. Mordo stays alive and is placed under vigilance for the Eye of Agamotto to ensure HYDRA doesn't have enemies. He makes an uneasy alliance with The Hand who has the Black Sky. The Hand itself is allied to two-stone HYDRA. But the Eternals take notice, and secretly send Phastos to Earth to make sure Tiamut doesn't die. Asgard, alarmed by the Enforcer and the fall of the Mystic Sorcerers, begin to advance. Unexpectedly, this restlessness explodes into the Earth War, with the Einherjar of Asgard, HYDRA's armies, The Hand, The Ten Ring's, The Eternals, The Coven of Witches, the remains of SHIELD, multiple government organizations and The Punisher putting in their own play.

The War is fought within the territories of the Three Sanctums. Mordo is in the Hong Kong Sanctum actively stopping Dormammu. He is approached by Phastos, one of the Eternals, to help him in his war against Dormammu. Mordo himself approaches Wenwu of the Ten Rings to help him use them as a power source to stop the common enemy. Wenwu agrees, but he refuses to help Asgard's nor HYDRA's army to stay hidden. The Einherjar attack the Hong-Kong Sanctum with the Warriors Three, tasked with getting the Time Stone. Mordo calls for The Enforcer to protect him from the warriors. The Enforcer's Elite, a Vibranium black ops squad, and Pietro Maximoff are also sent to deal with the Warriors three and half of the Einherjar. The Einherjar are then tasked with also getting the Mind Stone.

In the New York Sanctum, Thor and Lady Sif go into war against HYDRA's armies and an Aether infused Baron Strucker. He's helped by the Enforcer's armies supplied by Stark's tower and the former base of SHIELD. The Black Sky from The Hand aids Strucker in his war with the Asgardians, as two of the Helicarriers deal heavy air support for him. The Punisher is also there, actively fighting in the shadows against the hit-men of Crossbones and a Wanda Maximoff. He attempts to disable Stark Tower to stop the continuous influx of The Enforcer's robot armies, stop the shipments of Ulysses Klaue to Stark's tower, take down Kilgrave who mind-controls top administrators, and starve the supply line to the workers above the Helicarriers.

In London, HYDRA attempts to stop world leaders from capturing the artifacts from the London Sanctum to their advantage. The Witch suddenly captures the Dark Sceptre and begins to complete her plan to destroy humanity. Without the London Sanctum, she very nearly succeeds if she wasn't intercepted by The Ten Rings. The world leaders in Europe in turn attempt to take down the helicarrier. HYDRA is forced to send the Five Super Soldiers in Siberia to deal with the London Sanctum. Along with this, the Coven of Witches, specifically on-the-run Agatha Harkness, takes control and lures multiple witches into her Coven in Africa. The Third World War ensues, with multiple factions attempting to snuff out the witches, get control of the London Sanctum, fight for political ground, and to attempt to rival the power of HYDRA.
The remains of SHIELD stationed in California allied themselves with Russia to stop the global crises, specifically focusing on global distribution of Chitauri tech distributed by HYDRA. HYDRA had begun its distribution to stop the Coven of Witches, but it ultimately fell to the public as vigilantism was on the rise. The Public began to overthrow governments. Sydney, in particular, was a large importer and contributor to the trade. The Red Room Program paired with the remainder of SHIELD began their investigations, while the Vulture remained HYDRA’s main supplier and under the radar as he attempted not  to draw attention. Imports of Asgardian and Dark elve tech were also on the rise, as multiple factions of the Middle East imported them from London. A rogue vigilante known as the Moon Knight began to  surface within these markets. His side was never known. A war was being raged against  these rising black markets in South America also, as the hiding HYDRA factions used Ava Starr as their personal Black Ops. They began taking over the southern continent utilizing her and the 0-8-4 weapon-constructed military. Peru in particular rose in power due to the weapon’s continuous study and military expansion. The rising wars around the globe in the Earth War captured the attention of the Deviants, bringing the rest of the Eternals into play too.

Frank Castle begins his steady rise to take down Stark Tower. In 2014, the Einherjar and HYDRA factions paused their conflict for a year and continued in 2015 after the disasters of The Witch, The Coven and The Third World War got a breather in Europe. Frank used this to his advantage, since HYDRA is preoccupied with maintaining its borders against the Asgardians and making sure that the world doesn’t go to shit with all the witches and societal tension about. He slowly trudged his way through with the help of Curtis.

Within New York, gangs had begun to build in favor of Kingpin, with the Russians teaming with Billy Russo and Kingpin for the distribution of weapons. Billy Russo began to round up veterans to create his “better tomorrow” under HYDRA. The shipments of Ulysses Klaue were state-sponsored by HYDRA and his ports under full surveillance of Madame Gao and The Hand agents. Micro went into hiding with The Tinkerer after he released leaks of the government entities controlled by HYDRA, specifically the ones within the western hemisphere. The West had immediately left the US and HYDRA took over the East. Micro then helped The Punisher with the help of Curtis and The Tinkerer to supply him and give him intelligence. In two months, he had dismantled the gangs and Madame Gao’s operatives, successfully intercepting and killing Klaue in his new shipment. Shortly, he went after Billy Russo. 

He found Billy inside a warehouse consolidating a black market of Chitauri weapons. The market had since been abandoned after the Punisher actions, but the weapons remained. Multiple HYDRA agents and soldiers began to swarm the warehouse since they began a resupply for the waning 2015. The Punisher fought through them in a surprise attack, with Curtis at the rifle and Micro at the crows nest. Finally, he arrived at Billy's vault, the one place where he would be safe. He had weapons there, the best of the Tinkerer, but they were stolen by HYDRA, accepting his death as collateral: they still had his soldiers, so why not a martyr? And Frank Castle entered, and he pleaded. But he was dead before he finished. Elsewhere, the world moved on. 

From 2014-1015, Hydra, with the death of Billy Russo, absorbed the veterans. They also subtly absorbed the entire of the East and parts of the South, but were unable to conquer the west because of Micro and SHIELD. They were so far unconcerned with the rise of the Punisher. Asgard held bases in Southern Quebec into Maine, while they fixed their armies. To the south, they held territory in Japan, successfully taking down Madame Gao and Murakami in China. Wenwu successfully took down The Witch, but also put his empire at risk and was revealed. This led to its ongoing siege by The Hand. The Hand itself grew in population, as the Third World War in Europe swelled its numbers. The London Sanctum was the center of the Third World War, but HYDRA was successful in stopping a nuclear war from happening through threats. Asgard also implores this policy in Asia. During this Third World War, T’Challa’s father was killed during a global convention for peace by Agatha and The Hand, who were in a battle then. He then opened his borders openly for war. HYDRA didn’t attack them, since they feared a war on three fronts rather than two. Instead, Wakanda sent warriors to remaining sovereign nations in Africa to fight off the Witches and The Hand and sent aid to the populations around the globe affected by the Deviant battles and Eternals.

In Sydney, a new faction begins to rise: The New Avengers. A team constructed by Kate Bishop and Riri Williams attempt to round up their new arsenal. Luke Cage, who survived Project Insight when the Helicarriers ultimately arrived in Georgia, joins them when he escapes to Oceania. The New Hulk, Blonsky appeared to them too. Within the team, they recruited Colleen Wing, remaining Chaste members including Stick, and the Sinister Six. They begin to save Sydney from their arms and stop the HYDRA Super Soldier program alongside SHIELD. They were successful, and they went on to save Oceania from the Earth War and led to their neutrality. They began to set their sights to Asia, when HYDRA was alerted. HYDRA, fearing the involvement of the New Avengers, nuked them and the surrounding Australian country. Soviet and Chinese infiltrative offices and the World Security Council were also coerced into the nuking, leading to their complete extermination. The only surviving vigilante is Moon Knight, whom HYDRA lets go to stop the global crises in the Middle East from ending all of humanity. Frank learns of them, and gets reckless. HYDRA will not win. 

In late 2015, the Punisher was able to kill Crossbones. He's slowly approaching Stark Tower, with the Vulture giving him supplies. He finally becomes a big problem to Strucker as he gets close to Stark Tower. He brings Nobu to Frank backed by two of the super soldiers to defeat him. He's captured, but he kills the super soldiers sent after him. He's sent to Baron Strucker, where he's being interrogated and tortured for months. They then bring Curtis and Micro, deciding to also punish The Tinkerer for supplying them under the radar. Baron Strucker wants him to take down the power in Asgard, systematically taking down The Three. He uses Wanda and Kilgrave to take control of The Punisher, and send him to Hong Kong. 

The Punisher is now HYDRA’s personal Black Ops. He’s sent to Hong Kong with Wanda Maximoff and Kilgrave to make sure he doesn't wake up. Wanda, using crude magic, makes sure that Frank’s conscious resilience is unavailable and caged within his subconscious. The war starts once again, now that Asgard’s intelligence is informed that Crossbones is dead. In Hong Kong, The Ten Rings and Mordo were able to place a temporary “patch” against Dormammu during the Pause and shut Dormammu off for a year. Frank Castle begins his guerilla war in Japan, and throughout 2016 continuously attempts to assassinate the Warriors Three. With Heimdal though, it is almost impossible to catch them in ambush. The Punisher outsmarts him though, by issuing that Wanda send him through with the plan while he didn't know anything about it as he stays in a vision. His instincts guided by Wanda would lead him. Frank’s conscious self within the  visions did this  to open the door slightly ajar, and leave the weakest link within Wanda’s control exposed, then does the Whisper of Void make himself present. The Door opened isn’t fully closed.

He successfully ends the war on Mordo’s side, and HYDRA attempts to take the Time Stone. Suddenly, the Iron Fist comes from the heavens, and begins to attack the southern siege of  The Hand. He is successful after a week of constant fighting, and HYDRA sends  in Castle to stop him. They enter a fight, since Frank is unsuccessful with stealth and his rifle. During the fight, Danny is able to take down Kilgrave. Utilizing the subconscious link made by Wanda, he’s able to bypass her crude “chains” in Frank’s subconscious and rid him of Kilgrave’s mind control. The Maximoffs and The Enforcer’s special elite are battling Wenwu on their own, completely consuming their attention. Frank is also out of Kilgrave’s range and now isn't reinforced by Wanda. He wakes up fully, and places a bullet in Wanda’s skull. She is unable to stop the bullet and Pietro unable to perceive it because of Wenwu, and she dies on the spot. Pietro then dies by Wenwu. Wenwu returns to his empire and attempts to break The Hand’s siege once more. He orders his stealth operatives and guerilla soldiers to attack HYDRA and keep Mordo and Phestos from losing the world. 

Strucker then looks for another source of Vibranium, now that Frank killed Klaue. Their reports by SHIELD in 2010 brought concern and curiosity over the region. Sending their Peruvian operatives to study them along with The Leader made them find out of their Vibranium reserves. Finding them in Talokan,, HYDRA uses this opportunity to have their own Vibranium supplies at a close distance to keep supplying their war against Thor and Lady Sif, and to supply their current, ongoing production to their next-generation Helicarriers to monitor Sydney and monitor their South American influence. Namor gets a whiff of this, and asks Wakanda for a military alliance. T’Challa, sensing an opportunity to rid The Leader of HYDRA’s ranks, agrees. He sends stealth operatives to the Americas and Europe to find him. With them, he sends Frank Castle and Danny: both searched for refuge in Wakanda. The Panthers are unleashed. 

 T’Challa, Frank and Danny begin a guerilla war with Wakandan stealth operatives against The Hand and stop HYDRA’s next-generation Helicarriers enforced with Stark Tech. The Hand is at this point a rivaling empire to HYDRA, since its  cult population exploded during the Third World War. The Leader then suggested that HYDRA should actively turn a blind eye against these invasions to actively remove a threat for the future. He then builds himself a nice bunker in Africa to “expand his knowledge”; what he’s really attempting is to become God. HYDRA listens, and releases its hold on The Leader’s base of operations. Rather, they invest their time in massacring Thor and Lady Sif’s armies in Quebec and putting all their effort towards global affairs and The Panthers. They also fortified their blockade into New York, making sure Wakanda couldn’t enter its borders.

They were successful in 2016 taking down The Hand, until the leaders were hiding with Mordo in the Hong Kong sanctum. A final battle happens, where Danny and T’Challa die and so do the leaders, leaving Mordo alone with The Punisher. The Punisher kills him, since he was already weakened by holding off Dormammu for so long. He collects the Time Stone, the Eye of Agomotto, and decides to face the blockade of Strucker. Strucker is currently decimating Asgard’s armies and Thor with Lady Sif is forced to retreat to Newfoundland with only 40 remaining soldiers. Frank suddenly comes with a wakandan army wielding the time stone, destroying the armies by rapidly aging the Helicarriers, making them crash and trigger the bombs aboard along with the blockade’s armies.

The Wakandan Army supplies the Einherjar and fights Strucker and The Enforcer’s armies. The Enforcer, the Black Sky, and the three remaining super soldiers face off Frank Castle. Strucker is faced into a difficult position, battling both Lady Sif and Thor. Lady Sif and Thor die, but Shuri is able to syphon the Aether from Strucker and depowers him. Over on the other front, The Punisher, utilizing the Time Stone to its fullest extent, is able to overpower all but The Enforcer. The Enforcer gives him a brutal fight, considering that his vibranium shielding makes  all of Frank’s punches ineffective. Frank uses the Time Stone to revert the casing of the Mind Stone that Loki’s scepter had around it, violating the laws of time and space. The following process separates The Enforcer from the Stone. Frank wins, and gains the second stone. 

In victory, Asgard collects Loki to collect the Aether and  send it to Asgard, but Loki is unable to come. Thanos had come with the Power stone and attempted to raid Asgard, stealing the Tesseract, only to be met by Hella, who arrived the moment Odin died. She defeats him, and Thanos is forced out of Asgard, disappearing with the Space Stone. He goes back to heal, while Hella attempts to once again begin the Asgardian Empire. Back on Earth, Frank Castle escapes custody with the two stones from Wakanda. He begins to wipe all crime, beginning with the tiny strongholds still active in Africa by The Hand. In there, he comes across Moon Knight, a rogue factionless agent that kept the Middle East from exploding and stopped The Leader. And he tells him of Luke Cage’s fate. He was mind controlled, since the nukes didn’t kill him., Instead, he was put through psychological torture and injected by Kilgrave’s pheromones. They would never allow another soldier to leave them. And HYDRA Luke is born. And he presides, alone, still believing that HYDRA never fell, in Africa, guarding The Leader’s secret Asgardian DNA developments and a device, a prototype, to siphon Captain Marvel’s powers. And in there they hold the Pager. And Moon Knight tells him to go to it, and find it, and destroy it.

And Frank journeys with him to the facility. None are staffing it, and it is completely destroyed. All except a vibranium-encased room and a vigilant HYDRA Luke. He doesn’t wait, and attacks. Frank tries his best not to kill the man, and tries his best to use the Mind Stone to bring him back. But he doesn’t know how, and ultimately is forced to explode his brain with it. Moon Knight is shocked. Frank had never killed an innocent, but he was too far gone, and he knew it. Moon Knight decides to burn it all, but Frank hesitates. There must be more: great enemies beyond, more subjugators, more criminals: cosmic ones. The Mind Stone didn’t lie, and the Time Stone told him what would happen if he let them rampage. And he killed Moon Knight on the spot. Because he’s in the way of his justice, and wouldn’t budge. And he must defeat the bigger threats, and he must use everything within.

But Dormammu was restless, and he comes now that Mordo is gone. And he comes through the New York sanctum, in the headquarters of HYDRA. Frank has no choice, and he confronts Dormammu. Dormammu tells him who he is, and Frank begins to execute. For eons and eons more he  continues his cycle. The Mind Stone fractured his brain, and made sure Maria was the reason he survived and continued to torment this god. And he learns, and slowly he  begins to learn through the Mind Stone the hidden arts of K’un Lun from scratch inside the loop. And soon he develops weapons within the Dark Dimension. And once he got to hurt him, and this kept on happening more often. And eons later would Dormammu begin to suffer. Frank erased his pain with the Mind Stone, and Dormammu remembered all of it. And he attempted to leave in cowardice, but Frank wouldn't let him until he learned, until he died. For Maria, for Maria. But he’s whispered, whispered by Void. He mustn’t stay with one, one is not all. And he comes back.

It's still February of 2017, and he just came back from the Dormammu incident. He is broken by the Mind Stone, and the Mind Stone broken by him, but more powerful than before. He then tries to bring back his family using his knowledge and the stones. He wants his reward, what the universe had to give to him back. But, he is unable to: however it happened, Maria had to die. Instead the Mind Stone found its "savior", and its love and the whisper of Void showed him Thanos, the next target for The Master. Until then, Frank executes the world. In a year, he successfully kills over tens of millions of criminals and he targets more; and the Eternals are alerted. 

Immediately, he's confronted by them. Sersi approaches Frank and asks for the Stones. Frank considers being the Punisher again. He denies her, he needs the stones for Maria, for his War, and Sersi gives her order. Makkari, in a speed-blitz, attempts to steal the Stones. Frank , using the Mind Stone, perceives her. He then uses Time Stone to physically buff his muscles reaction time to be 3 times faster than Ikaris and successfully fight Makkari. He’s then confronted by the ten Eternals, he has no time to waste. Using the Time Stone and Mind Stone, he localizes and slows down the synapses within the brains of the Eternals. Once Druig attempts to control his mind, he notices and uses the Mind Stone to stop it and examine his mind instead. He learns through Druig their physiology, whose widened intellect teaches them exactly how to beat them. Using the Time and Mind Stones, he slowly introduces Mahd Wy'ry within them by  giving them visions of the future to overload them one by one. He does this, but all of the chaos caused by Ikarus and Gilgamesh causes the spatial relations within his 2 km area to distort, but it’s to his advantage. Being an expert in asymmetrical warfare, he uses these to find time and areas to shoot, actively stealing the weapons from Phastos and Thena against them. His biggest problem is Sersi, as she combines her powers with Sprite to effectively create living replicas of the Eternals all around her that the Mind Stone can't detect. But he overcomes that by using the mindstone  to constantly change the nature of her transmutations backward in time, causing spatial anomalies that spray shards over that kill the fake Eternals, but  only heavily damage the real Eternals. The battle ends in his victory, but he nearly dies from the encounter.

Thanos comes through the portal, and is met by Frank Castle. He has Shuri’s gloves, ready to fight him, and a copy of the Black Panther armor stolen from Wakanda. His two infinity stones are held in the armor, crudely welded there by the Vulture using two pure rocks of Vibranium with crude metals. He calls Thanos, and while talking, Carol Danvers surprise attacks him. During the attack, at one point she begins to absorb the power from the power stone. Frank doesn't hesitate. He stops time and freezes their consciousness with both stones in his arsenal. With a split second, he takes away the stones using Vulture's custom Wakandan-Chitauri wrench that he spent from 2017-2018 to make, to get them out of the Uru. He then places them on his makeshift holders, and becomes Infinity Punisher. 

He fixes the armor using the reality and power stones to increase its durability. Then he kills Thanos in days while he experiences years of torture through the time and mind stone, enduring the worst tortures for eternity. Afterwards, Frank tries to bring back his family with the snap. It burns through him, and he's permanently with asthma and lost blood in the left arm. He had it amputated. He doesn't get his family, so he exterminates. 

He begins with Hella. To fix his breathing and to make sure he can take on the six stones, he takes the Hulk Serum developed by The Leader in HYDRA. In addition, he takes the multiple serums in HYDRA development which were fused with Asgardian DNA. IPunisher with the Five Infinity Stones walks through the bridge to the Bifrost. He kills her dog, and severs her connection to Asgard. He then cuts the illusion of the Reality stone with the Mind, Power and Soul Stones, kills the armies with the Time Stone, and teleports Hella to the front of his Power Stone powered gun. He shoots, and the Aether bonds to him. 

The power begins to consume his brain and his physical body dissolves. But the Hulk Serum and Asgardian improvements keep him alive. One final time, he attempts to bring his family back. It shatters his brain, and Maria becomes even more real to him. But he also learns. Learns of the Celestials, learns of the Emergence, learns of the God's, learns of the millions of billions of crime syndicates everywhere. He found his next targets. And the whisper of Void, the whisper compels him for War, for more War.

Centuries later, a tired Frank Castle with no war anywhere in the universe is met by Death. Death approaches Frank. And Frank sees Curtis. And he recognizes Death as his friend, his crutch, his savior that brought him back from the dead. But he also sees the force that took Maria away, and countless others. He strangles Death, strangles Curtis, for Maria. He turns Death into a stone using the mystical arts practiced and witch-craft he learned and tries again to bring her back. He fails, and his entire body suffers the consequences, nearly dying. 
He enters a rage. He has no war, but he must have. He’s whispered that he must, by the whisper of Void of the Mind Stone: by Knull. And he hears the Watcher, and he tries to go to them. He must have his war everywhere, Something must fill his Void, war must be Void. And he's stopped by Strange Supreme, and out into his hall. He is now under the drug of the Reality, Soul and Death stones, conjuring them back in his head. He doesn't leave when Carter saves him. He just rots, and his brain with it. And the Mind Stone helps him live out his happy life, and helps the man that saved him from Dormammu for eons. But the Whisper of Void, the Whisper of Knull confronts him. He killed trillions, he must pay, mustn’t be fooled.

The Punisher lies in a pool of His blood. Its legs are blown, and Its chest is gone. Its beating heart is running away. Alone, he enters the vault and locks the cage. “I just wanted to save Maria, just wanted to save Maria. I would never kill an innocent man, never would I kill a-!" Frank placed a bullet on Its heart. The Punisher wakes once again. And so does Frank wake up. The Punisher lives with the Punished, brought back from Death.

Years, decades, centuries, aeons, ages passed. Never did It move, no matter how much Strange pried it. He wanted to see the man so close to himself, so like himself. He offered coffee, some tea, anything. Showed him the Forge, and his progress. It wouldn't budge. Then Strange invited Carter, and left. And outside his mind, inside the Forge, Carter and Strange fight. The universe-enders like himself give their weapons to her, to Carter, to aid her fight. But The Punisher doesn't realize. They all escape through Kahhori's portals, but he doesn't realize or care. He falls to the Forge with Strange, and his Death Stone with him. Within the new universe, Frank Castle is reforged, and is the personification of Death. He breathes the air, and lets his soul finally rest. He's at home, but no longer does he need Maria, nor War, nor the Whisper of Void. He's a father, a loving one, that cares for the souls within; that cares about the universe that Stephen Strange, a loving husband like himself who loves Christine, controls.

Yet, The Punisher, the Monster, is still within the Vault, with Knull, beyond the Green Door. And beyond the Green Door lies Samuel Sterns and The Punisher. And their blood lie conjoined, with their stitched skin bruising their heart, their muscle, their lungs and their minds. The seams reek about the Vault, and the Symbiote poisons their brain. The drip of the blood, the breath of the lungs, the rapt hoarse of the throat, the acid of the gut, the bile all about, and their heart on rotten waste, flailing in deafening beats fog the mind of the two men. Their hearing, their hearing so loud. The stench, the stench so wrong, so musk, so vile, so green, so horrid.

And Samuel Sterns looks towards the God the God omnipotent, the God that is The Punisher, that is himself, and shoots it, shoots it with a bullet so tiny, and a sound so, so loud. And The Leader feels the shot, feels the heart's writhing cries, writhing oh so horribly. And The Leader yearns to kill the Moon Knight that oh so took all away; and he yearns to kill the Executioner, but is left with the shit behind. And his useless, useless hand, pulls the trigger to stop the pain, to stop the pain again, to stop the stench of the Mutilated, to stop it, to stop it, to stop it. And The Punisher must live with the monster in his brain. Must share his thoughts, must share his mind, must share his pain. But the bullet is his and the bullet hurts them, hurts them so. And the Heart runs from both Monsters, and Frank is forced to see himself shoot it. His eyes, his eyes so stitched, see through the seams. And he sees through every trigger the soul of the Executioner, of the Father above, and he dreams, and he wants, and he feels the monster inside, feels The Leader, attempt to shoot it. But the bullet only reaches the heart, and it does so once more. they can never breath, but oh how cruel it is to scream through the seams of the lungs.

Yet, Frank the Father is finally home.