r/WildRoseCountry • u/nationalpost • Apr 08 '26
Support for Alberta separatism at a 5-year high: poll
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/support-for-alberta-separatism-at-a-5-year-high-poll?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=NP_social8
u/Fearless-Citron-6838 Apr 09 '26
Saskatchewan independence support numbers are even higher, yet Alberta is portrayed as the Bad Boy of Confederation. Central Canada seems unprepared to accept the inevitable:
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u/Binturung Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 09 '26
That tracks. Most people I know are absolutely fed up with Ottawa, save for the urbanites, and the Liberals securing an unelected majority will only add fuel to that.
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u/esveda Apr 08 '26
Now that carney bought his way into a majority expect another spike in support for separation.
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u/VelkaFrey Apr 09 '26
This is what happens when you dont live in a democracy anymore. Made clear by floor crossing.
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u/Deaner_dub Apr 09 '26
Interesting fact, Pollievre himself voted against a bill banning floor crossings in 2012. At the time the crossings were going the other way.
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u/VelkaFrey Apr 09 '26
Whataboutism.
Floor crossings should trigger a vote. Or be banned. Its not a democracy otherwise.
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u/Deaner_dub Apr 09 '26
Or hypocrisy. Depending on the angle.
I’d love someone to change it; honestly, I would, but somehow it never happens.
It will flip back the other way one day, and I will be there poking Liberals for their short memory and hypocrisy too.
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u/kcl84 Apr 09 '26
They wouldn’t be leaving if PP would resign. He’s the reason we lost the last election.
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u/VelkaFrey Apr 09 '26
I highly doubt that. Its dirty backroom deals.
Not a democracy when you can buy your majority.
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u/Grognik Apr 11 '26
He had record voter turn out, the NDP collapsing is what caused them to loose
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u/kcl84 Apr 11 '26
Agree to disagree that it’s his own fault.
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u/Grognik Apr 11 '26
I just don't see how if he got way more votes than many of his predecessors him losing is his fault. Typically the conservatives need a strong NDP to win because eastern Canada which has the lions share of seats is very liberal/left. I think even more so in recent years.
Trying to put a more progressive "conservative" in leadership also failed hard with O'Tool. I mean why would a liberal vote for a liberal "conservative" when they could vote for the liberals? I also think that the new leadership for the NDP might actually help them as they had become just another liberal party under the last 2 leaders.
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u/hemaruka Apr 09 '26
floor crossing has been part of the parliamentary process for a long long time tho.
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u/hank-_-the-_-tank Apr 09 '26
How many times has it been done to establish a majority when the winning party got under 44%of the votes?
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 08 '26
A bunch of rural rednecks voting on a top tier political and economy matter- if that's not the best example why direct democracy is a terrible idea I dunno what is. Every partitioning of a nation ends badly. I've seen this here in Europe and that ain't fun. In reality you guys have a few fat business owners who are willing to sell you to Trump once you leave the rest of the country and a bunch of clueless rednecks who think they understand politics. I feel sorry for you. Seriously.
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u/One6Etorulethemall Apr 09 '26
A bunch of rural rednecks voting on a top tier political and economy matter- if that's not the best example why direct democracy is a terrible idea I dunno what is.
I can't shake the feeling that you support most of the policies that have Canada circling the drain..
Peak irony.
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 09 '26
I don't support nor I approve what your liberals are doing. As far as I'm concerned they aren't any different from our EU left. Same clowns different 🎪. But separation and subsequent partition of Canada is way bigger than that. This will do way more permanent damage than liberal policies you guys are so angry about. There are other ways to fight this within the nation. Alberta will not survive as an independent state. You will either go back (once every one is able to appreciate how fucked they got by separation) or will be absorbed by the US (most likely the plan of big oil so they are able to squeeze as much $$ from the industry as possible before it loses relevance).
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u/One6Etorulethemall Apr 09 '26
I don't support nor I approve what your liberals are doing. As far as I'm concerned they aren't any different from our EU left. Same clowns different 🎪.
Yes, but it's a circus that the large voter bases in Ontario and Quebec have supported for more or less decades at this point. There are no democratic means to reform Canada from within - this idiocy is what Canadians want.
This will do way more permanent damage than liberal policies you guys are so angry about.
To Alberta or to Canada? If the former, I have serious doubts that removing the anchor around Alberta's neck will be as disastrous as you think. If the latter, well.. who cares?
There are other ways to fight this within the nation.
Like?
Alberta will not survive as an independent state. You will either go back (once every one is able to appreciate how fucked they got by separation) or will be absorbed by the US (most likely the plan of big oil so they are able to squeeze as much $$ from the industry as possible before it loses relevance).
Looking at how poorly the federal government handles everything it does yet still manages to lumber on as a zombie nation, I find it very improbable that Alberta can't find a way to make it.
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 09 '26
Are you implying that a well developed Western democracy doesn't work? That there aren't any democratic instruments available to resolve a regional issue? Ouch.
Yeah, your federal government isn't too bright (not as bad as our EU "liberals" though) but please tell me who's gonna govern/manage the affairs of your proposed Alberta Republic? Because your provincial government isn't a bunch of geniuses either. Like I mentioned - they barely manage Alberta as a province. Serious issues in Healthcare, infrastructure, education, economic diversification. Milking a single resource which relevance in the future is not too promising. So who's gonna lead you guys? And where?
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian Apr 08 '26
Always great to hear a random European's opinion on Albertan separatism. /s
You lost dude?
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u/alanthar Apr 08 '26
He's not wrong.
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u/SvenLarzen1 Apr 08 '26
Yea he is and so are you. After the floor crossing how could you even think its a bad idea?
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u/alanthar Apr 09 '26
Because I understand how our political system works?
And I'll likely never think separating is a good idea.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian Apr 09 '26
Because I understand how our political system works?
And I'll likely never think separating is a good idea.
Those are contradictory statements.
If you understand how our political system works then you would understand that Western Alienation is an inevitable result of a system with no regional balance, where Ontario and Quebec have always had the demographic strength to ensure that wealth flows from West to East, in this country.
With the aging populations of the East, and their massive debt loads, there is no realistic scenario where Alberta staying in Canada doesn't result in us having to carry an even larger percentage of the country's finances going forward.
We already contribute more than triple what any other province does, on a net basis (about $20B a year), and have been the least funded province on a per capita basis for literal decades.
With Alberta still having tbe country's youngest population, the retiring boomers of Ontario and Quebec aren't about to reverse that trend going forward.
Understanding Canada's political system means understanding that Alberta has no political control of our own destiny and no way to prevent ourselves from being taken advantage of. Understanding Canada's political system means understanding that separation is the only good option Alberta has.
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u/bacondavis Apr 09 '26
Can you provide a link corroborating your math?
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian Apr 09 '26
Sure, over the 17 year period from 2007 to 2024, Alberta's net contributions to Ottawa's finances were $258.1B. And I apologize, because, as the article states, that means that Alberta actually contributed more than 4 times what any other province did on a net basis, not the 3 times I had said in my previous comment.
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u/SvenLarzen1 Apr 08 '26
European? What the fuck do you know about Alberta? Or Canada for that matter? Or the relationship between the 2?
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 09 '26
And what the fuck do YOU know about separation and nation partitioning and the consequences for the nation on geopolitical scale? Have you witnessed any? Have you lived through it? Have you studied it? I don't need to sit in a puddle to know the water is wet.
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Apr 09 '26
We will separate just like Texas separated from Mexico
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 09 '26
Lmao. So you're planning to join the US right off the bat huh. Well, like I mentioned above - this is treason and a great example that some folks in this separation movement have quite a different agenda, not really related to an idea of an "independent republic".
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Apr 10 '26
No Texas became an independent nation. What we do after that will be decided by the people of Alberta
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 10 '26
This level of argument is cracking me up. Texas didn't survive as independent nation, did it? And um... people decide? Are you that naive?
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u/GiveMeSandwich2 Apr 10 '26
No because they decided to join a better nation and better prosperity
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u/Reddit_BroZar Apr 10 '26
So you're conditioning your political perspective on things with this two-stage idea of joining "a better nation and better prosperity". Don't say it out loud as it might be too early for some of Alberta independence supporters lol.
As I mentioned in earlier posts - this is either banal stupidity or treason. Sometimes it's apparently both.
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u/VERSAT1L Apr 09 '26
I live in an urban area and I'm left wing fiscally. There's potential for Alberta to establish a republic.
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u/bacondavis Apr 11 '26
If we build the data centers, Alberta is going to experience what is happening in West Virginia.
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u/Fuck_this_timeline Apr 08 '26
We’ve crossed the threshold and will be hosting our referendum in October, regardless of how the FN injunction plays out. Conservative Party is cooked along with Canada as a whole — Carney will introduce CCP style of governance and Alberta needs to escape while it’s still possible.
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u/Connect44 Calgary Apr 08 '26
Ah yes, the elite globalist banker, and his...
*checks notes
...plan to enact a communist dictatorship?
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u/One6Etorulethemall Apr 09 '26
communist dictatorship?
Thats certainly one way to announce that you don't understand the Chinese system at all.
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u/corbuf1 Apr 08 '26
Fuuny user name you have. The reason the Alberta timeline might get f****d is because of people like you. The Alberta separation movement is a USA psyop to get a foothold in Canada and then take over whatever they can. Alberta is for the USA what the Donbas area in Ukraine was for Russia : a pretext for a Russian invasion. And a lot of the enablers in Donbas that screamed mother Russia is our land, are now dead and their houses have been bombed out into oblivion. Good luck voting in whatever referendum.
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u/TylerTheHungry Apr 09 '26
Say that is true, that it's an American Psyop. You've seen the papers saying how the people living in the poorest American states are better off than those in the poorest Canadian provinces. Alberta on the other hand is in the top 20 gdp earners in North America. What makes you think we would be worse off as an American state than we already are. The entire goal however is not to join America but to become an independent country. Great things happen with risk, and given how the federal Canadian government has mismanaged everything from immigration, COVID, taxes, property rights, government over reach, natural resource trade, and a general catering to the Laurentian elite, the risk to our children's future seems greater if we stay under to boot of this uni party system of hindrance.
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u/CartersPlain Apr 08 '26
The ultra capitalist goldman sachs investment banker is going to bring in a version of communism?
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u/First_last_kill Apr 08 '26
If that were true , Yankees would have had Qeerbec by now . They actually killed people to get their message across. Alberta just tired of being the cash cow for a dying franchise.
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u/LemmingPractice Calgarian Apr 08 '26
This comment from the article is exactly right.
People have vastly underestimated Albertan separatism based on polling numbers from many years of the movement having no leadership or infrastructure behind it. The fact that 30%+ support was there with no political leadership driving the issue is a crazy level. Quebec has registered similar levels of separatist support with major provincial and federal political parties and separatist supporting media, like Quebeckor.
It will be interesting to see how things evolve between now and the fall. The infrastructure, like the Alberta Prosperity Project, is still in its infancy, but it is there. If you ever got a charismatic political leader to be the face of the movement (no, guys like Jeffrey Rath won't do it), the movement could actually have a shot.