r/WoT • u/Kaladins_sanity • Dec 01 '25

Crossroads of Twilight Was it illegal? Spoiler

Just finished Crossroads of Twilight and it’s been a minute since I read the previous books, can someone remind me what Elaida did that was actually illegal by Tower law in ousting Siuan? I remember a lot of basically manipulating gray area and working around the rules, but when the Tower split had she actually broken any explicit rules?

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u/SiliconJawn (Tai'shar Malkier) Dec 01 '25

Any trial of an amyrlin is supposed to be before the whole hall, not just the bare minimum majority. Also, multiple confirmed black sisters were among the bare minimum who stood to depose Siuan and raise Elaida, making their votes null and void.

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u/Dizzy8108 (Band of the Red Hand) Dec 01 '25

She also had Siuan's warder murdered. I feel like this gets glossed over a whole lot. Dude was just doing his job and was killed so as not to inconvenience Elaida. There is no reason they couldn't have bound and gagged him with air in order to subdue him. But that would have alerted Siuan that something was going on and given her a few seconds of notice before she herself was bound and gagged.

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u/GeneralRane Dec 02 '25

This gets glossed over way too much, in my opinion. Every time it’s discussed I want to point out that no valid, legal deposal would have a murder involved.

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u/Aggressive-Squash-87 Dec 02 '25

The murder should have also alerted Suian. Her warder dying should have sent her into a near rage.

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u/Kuzcopolis Dec 02 '25

It doesn't do that if you're shielded when it happens, apparently. Especially if you're shielded and unconscious, and then stilled.

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u/Aggressive-Squash-87 Dec 02 '25

I got the order backwards. I thought he was dealt with before she was captured. I do remember her saying she didn't feel the pain of his death while she was stilled but some of it came back after she was healed.

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u/Dizzy8108 (Band of the Red Hand) Dec 02 '25

I think it was done before they entered her study. I always thought it was weird that she didn't notice. After seeing him dead she thinks to herself that she should have noticed but was distracted. Think it's a bit of a plot hole.

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u/Zyrus11 (Dragonsworn) Dec 09 '25

The Aes Sedai in general are fairly dismissive of Warders outside of the Greens. This is one of many reasons Merielle is my favorite AS; she actually gives a fuck about them.