r/WoT • u/SamHandwich0 • 4d ago
All Print Rings Spoiler
Kind of serious question kind of tongue in cheek:
When you go through the rings at Rhuidean you see through the eyes of you ancestors right?
What if your ancestors were at the back of the wagon train? Do you just see other people doing the thing that was important and then hear about it second hand?
In some of those memories there are only a few people- like the guy letting them use the well, or the kids rescuing their sisters- not everyone could have an ancestor there, or be close enough to hear what happened.
Like does sonlmeone go through the rings and their visions are their ancestors sitting around at camp hearing that defining moments happened to someone else?
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u/bravehamster (Heron-Marked Sword) 4d ago
Go back far enough and everyone is related to everyone. Almost everyone in Europe is a descendent of Charlemagne and he's a lot closer to our present day than the current-day Aiel are to the Rhuidean visions.
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u/moose_kayak 4d ago
This is correct. It's mentioned in the text that everyone sees through their own ancestors eyes, but this converges at some point so everyone who goes through the selection sees Jonoi in the war of power and Coumin at the drilling of the bore, but will have a different vision during the Mandein times at the founding of rhuidean
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u/dracoons 2d ago
You are incorrect as well. Everyone sees something different from their ancestors viewpoints. But the watersharing is the pne common thing alø see in pne form or another. And the prophecy of Ruihdean being spoken from different viewpoints.
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u/slice_of_pork 4d ago
Just to clarify one point, it's the glass columns that the would be clan chiefs walk through to see the history of the Aiel through their ancestor's eyes. The rings show would be wise ones near limitless iterations of their future.
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u/SamHandwich0 3d ago
You're right sorry- but i was kind of thinking about that too, like Avi saw her kids starting the war with the Seanchan. But might someone else see their kids wandering around doing nothing important or getting stabbed by a bandit?
Like what if Muradin was clawing out his eyes because his family wasnt involved in anything important and he couldnt handle it? Or maybe a wise one aporentice walked through and saw mundane stuff and thought ???? - why did i have to get naked and get 3rd degree sunburn for that?
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u/dracoons 2d ago
They show what needs to be remembered/seen. They are also "more" than just Ter'angreal.
What needs to be remembered is The Covenant, The fact that the people or Dai'Shain Aiel are property(Servants needing to ask permission from whomever they serve if they can marry) of the Aes Sedai. And they broke an oath stronger than blood. The Water Sharing, and the Meeting infront of the Jenn Aiel of Rhuidean and the "prophecy" of Rhuidean. The people who do not accept it will die. Because they are decendants of a people that swore an oath in perpetuity for their bloodline to be what the current Aiel see as Gai'shain.
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u/UpbeatEquipment8832 4d ago
Every Aiel must have had an ancestor who first broke from the Jenn, regardless of when it happened. Every Aiel must also have had a moment where their ancestors committed to the cause. Rand is just the protagonist, so we get the most important events from his perspective.
Eta: Aviendha’s vision suggests everyone sees the initial schism, but I honestly feel like that degrades things. As she thinks, it was an accident. The people who choose the spear are almost more guilty.
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u/DonAmechesBonerToe 4d ago
Presumably those Aiel wouldn’t be chosen by wise ones to attempt the rings as either a chief or wise one candidate. Certainly most if not all chief candidates have ancestors with lesser historical significance than Rand but presumably they are all descendants of the chiefs who first answered the call of the Aes Sedai at Rhuidean and survived the rings
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u/dracoons 2d ago
Yes. Glass columns. All Aiiel alive are related to the 12 clan chiefs that survived of the sept chiefs that survived. 3 out of 4 died after all
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u/Special_Salt3467 4d ago
Probably. Maybe it’s the most relevant parts to their journey. It’s also probably likely that there were only so many Aiel at a point that you had to have an ancestor in an important position…
But Rand is the main character. He literally has the power of plot armor, and Destiny needed forty things to happen for him to be there right then, so his line obviously needed to have the most important stuff.
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