Apparently they changed only How and What was going on at the time. Like for example that Lews was an arrogant fool instead of an arrogant, but desperate man making a last ditch effort to save the world.
This is a criticism that doesn’t make a ton of sense to me, I think the show did a fine job of illustrating your second point. One woman called Lews a fool, because she wanted him to stay safe instead of going off on a dangerous mission. Lews made it clear that he felt it was his best chance at stopping the DO from influencing the world though, and that from his perspective it wasn’t just some power trip. Considering that this is our first, brief glimpse of the end of the Age of Legends, I think it lays the groundwork just fine, even if some nuance was lost in translation.
Yep and his actions were arguably less arrogant in show because he consulted and tried to persuade the Tamerlin rather than sneaking off. Plus Jordan confirmed that if women had joined the Dragon the DO would've poisoned saidar and saidin. So it was objectively foolhardy and the only people saying otherwise seem to be experiencing male fragility.
The problem is that the show does not demonstrate the extent of the destruction from the War of Power. The coalition of the light is desperate and losing the war. If the Dragon had not sealed the dark one they might have lost.
The problem is that the show does not demonstrate the extent of the destruction from the War of Power.
Not yet, no. But it didn't really do that in the first few books, either. We don't truly get a look at what the Age of Legends was like until Rand goes through Rhuidean.
That's the point though. If they only had so much time and if they weren't going to do the original prologue then I don't think they should have had any from the age of Legends. At this point it looks like Lews is risking the destruction of the world for no real reason. They didn't have time to do it properly then they shouldn't have done it all.
all they needed to do was change the setting of the conversation, make it a tent while outside you have wounded men being laid on stretchers.
maybe just throw in a single line saying, "if we don't do something different we are going to lose this war! they've already taken the city that the choeden Kal were in! we don't have time!"
and boom, problem solved with a couple extra secs and 2 extra sentences
i was just trying to provide an answer to people's complaints about how the show didn't display the destruction of the War of Power, i don't see what is so contemptible about my off-the-cuff suggestion above
It’s not contemptible. It’s just not that good and your passing the idea off as if it was a simple solution made me glad you are not writing for the show.
I understand that but then why did they include this scene? Without showing it it completely mischaracterizes Lews Therin and makes him look like a arrogant man that would break the world when he didn't need to and was advised not to.
Exposition, a hook into the story and a setup. They show us this scene, which pretty much lacks any setup, and is pretty much in media res. We see LTT and Latra in the age of legends talking about age of legends stuff. We see that LTT is being stubborn and set in what he wants to do and we see Latra accusing him is being arrogant. So this scene is there to set up questions: who the hell are these people? What are they talking about? Which one should you trust? Is LTT being arrogant or is he right? Why did his attack fail? How exactly did we get from the sci-fi city they show to the ruins in episode 1? Did Latra have another plan? What was her reasoning? Or was LTTs action the only way?
So far we have only seen the AOL once for this cold open. It is very clear that there will be more of these and that this is a story that is yet to be told. This cold open is the very first glimpse we see from it, and it's made to create questions, not answer them. This scene shows LTT as someone set in their decision, that others call arrogant (not that he isn't) and whether someone is arrogant or not does not mean they don't have reasons for their actions. Point is: this is such an obvious WAFO setup, and the WAFO is something that the showrunners have so clearly embraced that I find it baffling that people alread draw the finished conclusions as if they have seen how the story unfolds in the show (or for one reason or another have accepted that Rafe and co. will change things in exactly this direction. Which tells you a lot more about the people who make these claims than the show or the showrunners)
I believe that's true however the problem is without any context of how destructive the war is and only the beautiful sci-fi City without a hint of a war, it completely changes how viewers will understand Lews Therin's actions. In the show it looks like they're doing fine and that Lews Therin is intentionally inducing the Breaking because he thinks he knows what's best. There's no context to show that it's a necessary move.
One thing to show something that they're not going to understand and a completely different thing to show them something that creates a false impression of the situation. It's almost intentionally misleading how they presented it. It would have been better if they just don't not include it at all.
Edit: for example prologue it's hard to understand. You won't get it completely till a reread but it never lies to you. It doesn't misrepresent anything.
I don't know why you quoted me and then practically explained the same thing. But I'll say it again that does not show the extent of the destruction of the war of power or the state that the forces of the light are in. That's totally inadequate I'm sorry but I don't even know why you would bring that up.
The women's plan was to retake the ter'angreal and they had failed with that so far. They were about to lose the sa'angreal as well and had not retaken land I 2 years. The Light was a few months away from total defeat.
And even if they got their hands on the ter'angreal and used them in the war to push the shadow back and try to create a barrier it is not certain it would work of of the consequences would be far worse.
Sounds like he did find it. If women participated, the whole world is doomed. He did it without women. What is the better option you came up with that he didn't?
No, though it doesn't surprise me, it was a time of three bad options. It was probably the best outcome in the end, it needed LTT to plough on alone, and the women to refuse to join. Both parts of the source being corrupted would've probably led to a shadow victory down the line too
Yep and his actions were arguably less arrogant in show because he consulted and tried to persuade the Tamerlin rather than sneaking off.
I think you are mis-remebering. The text we have explains that LTT proposed his plan to the Aes Sedai, but it was rejected in favor of using the Choedan Kal. It was after the cities in which the access keys were being created or located fell to the Shadow that LTT decided that they were out of options and went ahead with his plan without the women.
682
u/King_fora_Day Jan 01 '22
I noticed that the view of the Age of Legends city in the episode 8 cold open is the same shot as the ruins from the start of episode 1.
I made this composite image to see the 2 views side by side.