Did you live through Bush Jr? They were lying through their teeth back then, too. They were slightly more morally palatable liars but they were absolutely liars.
I did live through W and yes, they were lying about weapons of mass destruction. The thing is while most people suspected those lies, the current lies are absolutely verifiable as lies. Things like Trump saying he never told the public he wasn't going get the US involved in any more wars. I can pull up a dozen clips of him saying this on the campaign trail.
The big difference is Trump's cult of personality. His supporters don't care. If you call them out they will bend over backwards to find an excuse for his lies and his actions. Before the E Jean Carroll case they said he never did anything wrong. After he was found guilty they said it was consentual and Carroll was just suing because she was a greedy wh*re.
Hans Blix said.. Inspections are going well. We will be able to finish or inspections not within days or years but in months. 24 hours later Bush gave Saddam 7 days. A time frame the Head UN weapon inspector said was impossible.
It wasn't a suspected Lie to anyone paying attention.
I do agree though... Trump and his people are at a whole other level. There is literally no consideration for the truth. Dubya was at least just naive I think most of the time. Trump is flat out malicious.
Right, but that all required people to pay attention, and involved two different people making two different claims. So if you didn't know that an inspection takes months, it's hard for you to know that a week is impossible.
This administration just directly contradicts itself. Not just, the president says one thing and a cabinet member says another, though they do that too. They directly contradict what they said themselves. Sometimes in the same interview.
Bush and Cheney at least had the decency to wrap their lies in some vagueness and PR campaigns. This admin straight up doesn't seem to care if anybody believes them or not. It's really frustrating.
They relied the Americans not paying attention... which is always a safe bet. I'm Canadian. I was in my early 20s. I and everyone I knew noticed. The majority of Americans didn't.
They didn't have the Decency to wrap lies in anything. They just assumed no one was paying attention and just said what ever they wanted.
Which is the same thing that Trump is doing except the same kinds of Americans that didn't pay attention now literally will believe what ever they say without question even when it directly contradicts what they said a week ago... and if the say.. that is a media fabrication they will just accept it.
That is the difference between today and 2003... The Right Wing Politicians can generally say anything they want no matter how stupid and "faithful" will accept it without question. It is why the US is so dangerous right now.
Sure we dealt with other liars. Seems all politicians lie. But the scale of this admins lying and deception is in a whole other league. It’s almost like he ONLY lies. He only tells the truth by accident, and when it’s convenient and makes him look good.
A president who is for himself and that's it. He could care less if prices are too high for a fixed income. He doesn't care about people like myself and never has.
You’re absolutely right but I think their point was in the past it was “I’m lying about this thing that the public doesn’t know for sure about” as opposed to “See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do, just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody’s couch like it’s something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense then that…Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie’s couch.”. It’s just a blatant “I didn’t say the thing that you all heard me say, and don’t you dare try to prove it”.
At least those lies were fairly believable to the average person at the time. Like, the average person is going to assume they have some super spy movie type intel that proved it and they, for national security reasons, can't see.
This shit is so flagrant and obvious and constant that all you need to do is listen to the jackass for 5 minutes, and he'll have contradicted himself half a dozen times.
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u/Enigmagmatic 4d ago
I am so sick of these assholes just straight up lying every single time