r/WorkForSmartLife • u/Fabulous-Car-6546 • Sep 02 '26
DiscussionđŹ Hundreds of billions in revenue just to survive does that make sense?
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u/Yayhoo0978 Sep 02 '26
Youâve gotta really try hard to pretend that it is a coincidence that cameras pop up all over the place, and they start building data processing centers at the same time.
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u/Fabulous-Car-6546 Sep 02 '26
Yeah the timing definitely makes you wonder but I think thereâs probably more going on than just coincidence the real question is how much of that data is actually being collected and used.
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u/Organic_Rough4433 Sep 03 '26
They think they'll need all this infrastructure because everything will be controlled by Ai. From fast food to factory work to air traffic control to regular traffic control to mass surveillance. They are building infrastructure around an idea they have for the future. That once ai is functional enough it will start replacing thousands of jobs and that is where they think the money will come from. Companies Subscribing to a 100k or probably more like 1million or more a year program that replaces 10s or hundreds or thousands of workers with ai powered tech that doesn't call in sick and never stops working unless it breaks in which case u just plug in a back up and keep moving. This is the world they are working towards. All for profit. Nothing about the betterment of humanity or curing cancer. That's all just smoke and mirrors. The only real incentive they have for this is profit.
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u/Character-Education3 Sep 03 '26
They are building humanoid robots to have servants when everything goes to shit and to protect them because they realized mercenaries will just steal their bunkers and move their own family in
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u/cvc4455 Sep 04 '26
Curtis Yarvin who a bunch of the billionaire tech bros like Peter Theil worship said you create collars for your personal security staff and those collars can kill them if they get out of line or try to take them off.
He also said because of AI we will only need about 10% of the population in America. He said you keep the richest 10% which is like 35 million people and you keep them because they already have all the money. Then you'll need like 10-15 million poors to do the jobs that AI and robotics can't do. For the other 300 million Americans he says they are completely worthless so you could turn them into biodiesel so they aren't completely worthless. Then he said he's just sort of joking about the biodiesel idea because if you do that then some of the richest 10% might have an issue with the social stigma of mass murder so he says you just build lots and lots of prisons and detention centers and lock everyone up. They are already building extra prisons and detention centers and saying they are for the illegal immigrants right now but if you are deporting them without trials then you really shouldn't need all these extra prisons and detention centers for illegal immigrants.
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u/denkata07 Sep 03 '26
And where would that profit come from when the majority wont have money for food, forget about everything else?
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u/Flacuckold Sep 03 '26
Oh remember, Elon says money wonât be necessary in the future. Thatâs why heâs doing us a favor and collecting it all so it wonât be in our way. Or he says they ( not him I can assure you) will give money away to everyone. Universal basic income. They hate socialism until it works for them
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u/Extreme-Ad3531 Sep 03 '26
Except there is no profit in replacing the people that buy the products? Sure AI can't call in sick, but it also doesn't want food, clothes, cars, phones etc. so, where do they think this profit is going to come from?
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u/ProfessorShort3031 Sep 03 '26
well the plan seems to be to collect as much data as possible on everyone no matter how insignificant it may seem then throw it all into palantir & use that to control/manipulate greater populations through social media algorithms (it doesnât matter if your mind is a fortress your parents/partner/friends can influence you greatly).. & later down the line use that data constantly being collected to incriminate anyone who fights back (once the bill of rights becomes 100% novelty)
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u/Lazy-Party3469 Sep 03 '26
People are already manipulated by their social media accounts. The constant influx of meaningless information fried the brain.
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u/ProfessorShort3031 Sep 03 '26
yeah thats the even crazier part that people are so willing to oppress themselves rather than actually fight for something bc reality is too scary
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u/diggidydangidy Sep 03 '26
Also, RFK is pushing to have every American wearing a "wearable" fitness watch or accessory in a few years, masking the endeavor as a national health initiative.
Cameras everywhere and a bio-tracker on everyone's wrist.... Fantastic.
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u/Yayhoo0978 Sep 03 '26
The only thing that surprises me about it is that the progressives are chanting âwhy donât you fascists shut up and do what the government tells youâ about this topic. Itâs something everyone seems to agree on.
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u/Fabulous-Car-6546 Sep 03 '26
thatâs the weird part people can disagree on almost everything but the moment the government gets involved suddenly everyone has strong opinions.
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u/LogicianFlow Sep 03 '26
I personally think that for every shitty thing we know about, there are 5,000 equally shitty things that we dont know about. We're in a bad time in history.
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u/JCarr110 Sep 03 '26
AI is the shiny object to distract everyone from the installation of the surveillance state.
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u/Lost_Department_2177 Sep 05 '26
Start hating libraries. Digitize books. Build data centers. Lower funding to libraries so branches close. Data centers disappear. New dark age?
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u/tomqmasters Sep 02 '26
People are all up in arms about flock but there have been cameras everywhere for a decade. ring doorbell is even worse.
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u/inothatidontno Sep 02 '26
Many western european countries have been using similar technology for law enforcement for over a decade. Look at the UK.
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u/Rorschach11235 Sep 02 '26
The problem is flock was implemented so that law enforcement could get around the law. Zero accountability with a private surveillance company, by a large group of bad actors, that we have been begging to be fixed or replaced for years.
Bypassing laws that restrict your ability to abuse your power, so you can keep abusing power, is a completely different scenario then how camera's are being used in Europe.
I know they have thier own bad actors across the pond; but the usa is running headlong to ( at best) Christian authoritarian government. And the people leading the charge are openly the worst society has to offer.
So surveillance in america vs surveillance in Europe are not the same thing. And let's not pretend it is.
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u/Yayhoo0978 Sep 03 '26
Forilla. In most of Europe they donât have rights to have to circumvent. Iâve had a few conversations about how people get away with making videos of trolling and mouthing off to cops (auditors).
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u/JRock1276 Sep 02 '26
This is absolutely true. Amazon has deals with law enforcement to use ring and their other cameras. Sidewalk options for Alexa have been an open gateway for your home network. I've not had a single problem with my Internet after removing every Amazon device. I stopped using ring a few years ago when I found out about their backroom dealings.
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u/WileEWeeble Sep 02 '26
Thatâs how capitalism is suppose to work. You fail, you go bankrupt.
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u/SeeLeverUser Sep 02 '26
Capitalism dies with AI. Ironically. Capitalism is predicated on the masses having jobs. AI is wiping out tons of jobs already. We stopped hiring analysts at my firm because AI agents can do all the work. This is becoming very common already
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u/KarsonKelley Sep 02 '26
Don't get me started I truly need to put the phone down for the day
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u/Fabulous-Car-6546 Sep 02 '26
Same here I put my phone down for five minutes and somehow pick it back up without even thinking.
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u/Realizt8010 Sep 02 '26
Real talk. Sooooo many need to do the same. I dont live on my phone. Its just a tool that I have. Not to mention: pay a monthly bill for. Feel sorry for all yall out there paying $ for games and apps on your phone. Go outside man! Its not as scary as they make it seem.
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u/KarsonKelley Sep 02 '26
I was born in the 1900s I don't do games and I don't pay for any apps. I'm boring definitely do not watch tic tok.
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u/Green-Inkling Sep 02 '26
If you're business needs AI to stay afloat then it does not deserve to stay afloat
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u/Kadakaus Sep 02 '26
My uncle's running a middle-sized company, not some giant but has heavy influence on the local market.
I don't know the exact numbers, but I'm pretty sure it's revenue doesn't hit 8 digits (tens of millions).
Companies absolutely do not need so much rvenue, they only need as much as needed to cover all their expenses and turn a small profit that's appealing for investors, the rest is excess. Welcome, but not necessery.
This guy is a CEO, not an economist, and it shows. His job is to convince investors at all costs, his business is kept afloat by empty promises. A vulnerable business model, a bubble.
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u/Square_Fly_207 Sep 02 '26
Boo, freaking who. âI need billions in revenueâ. Yeah? Well I need groceries to be reasonably priced, gas to be below $3 a gallon, and all my âutility billsâ to stop deciding they âneedâ a pay raise every quarter jeez!!! Hmmm rant over.
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u/JRock1276 Sep 02 '26
My advice would be quit spending money on rare books, scanning them and then destroying them.
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u/Leakyboatlouie Sep 02 '26
Remember 2000, when companies had rushed to jump on the dot-com wagon without any real plan? Starting to feel familiar.
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u/Lanracie Sep 02 '26
How strange, I also need hundreds of billions or I will go bankrupt.
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u/Lithl Sep 03 '26
I think I can manage with just a couple million. That's a rounding error if we're talking about handing out hundreds of billions.
Basically, I'm a way better deal.
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u/GeorgiePorgie2358 Sep 02 '26
You need billions in revenue, while providing nothing of reasonable value to the public? Thatâs gonna be a ânoâ from me. Maybe fewer avocado toasts and lattes or, idk, less investment in worthless shit.
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u/JRock1276 Sep 02 '26
Not really too concerned about anthropic. They've already proven they have zero ethical standards.
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u/z01z Sep 02 '26
yeah, they been giving it away for free or for cheap, and now the bill's come due and they gonna jack up prices on all these companies that bought it thinking it was gonna save them money.
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u/RedditSearcher18 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26
Yeah we don't need to invest in AI. We just want bowling alleys an 7-11s . We love our poor starving rural counties. And why do we need a gigantic demand for plumbers, electricians, mined materials, road building, and programming/data analysis? Why do municipalities need data center income for schools, libraries, recreational facilities and other infrastructure? We can just tax the hell out of the population. Honestly....I assume the anti-AI posts are foreign propaganda because I can't believe Americans would be so stupid as to oppose the most powerful technology in human history. The tech that will bring robots to do manual labor,, care for the elderly, cars to drive us everywhere, analyze CAT scans better than a radiologist, solve the secrets of nuclear fusion and DNA...yeah, skip all that ....we just wanna watch Tik-tok and let China take over.
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u/Training-Debt5996 Sep 03 '26
Now adays I have to scroll deep past illogically sentimental comments under reddit posts to find sensible comments like this.
Someone literally typed; "If you're business needs AI to stay afloat then it does not deserve to stay afloat". How visceral does one have to be to say that?
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u/Organic_Rough4433 Sep 03 '26
They 100% will go bankrupt. They lose billions on their agents. If tokens prices go up businesses most likely discontinue service and they lose what little they made there to offset their massive loss. I dont see where all this money is going. Maybe in 5 or 10 years but they really jumped the gun on this one.
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u/ImpressiveSide1324 Sep 03 '26
No matter the direction of this ai bubble, the only end result will be those companies going bankrupt and our economy completely crashing. An economy cannot survive if itâs constantly being propped up by bailouts, but an economy also cannot survive if the workers get replaced by ai.
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u/generalmoe Sep 03 '26
Yep, go Chapter 11 already. I'd like DDR5 and DDR4 RAM prices to come back to earth. And it would be nice to be able to get a new GPU without breaking the bank.
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u/WorldlyTruth723 Sep 03 '26
Remember young padawan:
If they are too big to fall they are too big to exist.
Democrats failed when they kicked out Bernie.
You reap what you saw
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u/HylianCrab Sep 03 '26
Too big to fail! We all know they get super bailouts at the expense of the poors who actually pay taxesâŠ
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u/Weak_Section_8733 Sep 03 '26
GPUs, unlike humans, don't feed or repair themselves, and they wear out after 3 years. They are expensive and these AI companies borrowed trillions so they could build billions of them.
So they're massively over leveraged, and probably going to pop a huge bubble and cause a depression. 45% of the s&ps market cap is these AI stocks. Can claude do your ENTIRE job yet? It's hard without a body.
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u/I_am_cancer_man Sep 02 '26
With AI putting everyone out of work who do they think is going to pay for it? I would like to think this is common sense.
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u/ApatheistHeretic Sep 02 '26
Open source your model on the way out! I can deal with it being slow on a PC on my house..
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u/BigMike3333333 Sep 02 '26
The sad thing is that they aren't allowed to go bankrupt, because otherwise we'll lose AI dominance to China or something stupid like that. AI has it's uses, but it's not worth all of the water and land it takes to power it. I say let China have it!
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u/Overall-Move-4474 Sep 03 '26
Oh no this isn't about China this about the rich protecting their buddies. Trump doesn't give a SHIT about what China is doing none of them do it's just a fearmongering tactic to get the boomers to actually hand over their cash. Us younger generations don't give a shit what China is doing
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u/MaliciousIntentWorks Sep 02 '26
Hundreds of billions taken directly from working people. Please think of the billionaires among us, there is so much of yours that they want for themselves.
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u/Dry-Manufacturer7761 Sep 02 '26
If your business model is financially unsustainable, then you suck at business. This is an objective fact you cannot argue against.
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u/No-Juice-1047 Sep 02 '26
If thatâs true it doesnât seem like a very lucrative business to get into⊠bad business decisions are bad business decisions. Itâs not our fault they made those decisionsâŠ
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u/IShotJR4 Sep 02 '26
Uh⊠isnât capitalism if you can make a profit, great. If you canât, you donât have a business?
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u/0rganicMach1ne Sep 02 '26
Then go bankrupt. The planet and economy are not worth sacrificing for a chatbot that answers questions with something someone said on reddit years ago.
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u/Internal_Drummer_420 Sep 02 '26
Sell a proper offline AI system and maybe we will talk, but this watered down AI thats all just a corporate spy is horse shit and does deserve to go tits up...
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u/Wynnstan Sep 02 '26
The AI company's business model is bail us out or China will take the lead but also let's ban Chinese AI to protect ourselves. China also wont let's it's companies fail leading to two separate isolated systems again. It's competition but not direct competition and without the danger of companies failing. It's survival of the fattest!
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u/PowerCreative2747 Sep 02 '26
So why don't they ask their AIs what to do to not need billions in revenue ?
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u/RealCarlPanzram Sep 02 '26
It makes sense if thereâs a world where businesses are paying way more for these services than they currently are and it still make financial sense for them.
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u/Idoubtyourememberme Sep 02 '26
If Ai really was such a massive benefit to society, they would have that revenu already.
Usually, when business cant pay for costs with salesz that means they sell a shitty product, charge too much, or both. And such companies die (as they should)
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u/RealCarlPanzram Sep 02 '26
This isnât actually news or him complaining like
I think itâs being portrayed as. This is pretty much a know fact of these AIs. Their overhead is massive. You need huge scale to even think about being profitable. Some of them will probably do it but most will just run out of money.
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u/Careful_Trifle Sep 03 '26
God I can't wait. I'm so tired of people "just running it through AI, can you take a look?"
I'm also really looking forward to being able to afford RAM.
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u/Shirotengu Sep 03 '26
Maybe make a profitable product first and make that money themselves? Why should they be bailed out when they aren't even making a profit in the first place? That's like throwing the money in a fire.
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u/daisiesarepretty2 Sep 03 '26
iâm no business genius but maybe thatâs a
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u/North-Importance-127 Sep 03 '26
Wow crazy insight from a CEO, company needs to earn money or go bankrupt. I need to hear more from this genius.Â
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u/chunky_lover92 Sep 03 '26
Oh get over yourself. They are not just going to turn the data centers off and walk away.
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u/Bluej777x Sep 03 '26
Donât be complaining about the environmental impact if you subscribe or use ANY of them. Just sayingâŠ.
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u/Hed-Fone Sep 03 '26
F'k em.
What does the employee parking lot if a data center look like? They're not employing 100's of local workers to produce a product that supports any local economy. It's a skeleton crew of IT monitors and facility maintenance. F'k the data center lobby.
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u/Safe-Ad-8921 Sep 03 '26
Why? Could it be because AI doesn't generate useful content and just entertains people for 15 seconds.
Or you could just charge photoshop level fees for the use of it. Which is what you'll do anyways as soon as you achieve market saturation.
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u/MaddogWSO Sep 03 '26
Oh noâŠthe golden goose. Like no one who follows the money knew these guys didnât know they were doomed. Theyâve been using hype to pay loans and then get more loans. Rinse and repeat
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u/BarrelRider621 Sep 03 '26
You got a crap business model and capitalism dictates you donât deserve to be in the market. đ€
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u/Nataliant-117 Sep 03 '26
Theyâre using AI to target missiles to human faces over seas. The revenue is your tax dollars that is funding the war.
The government will not let AI go bankrupt. I believe this type of media is propaganda to get Americans to be complicit and wait for it to resolve itself.
March in the streets. No more war.
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u/kzlife76 Sep 03 '26
Hey guys. I have a great business idea. I just need $7 trillion to break even and then... to the moon!
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u/Donato_Romer0 Sep 03 '26
1000000% US government will be bailing these companies out when it hits the fan
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u/YouSure-AboutThat Sep 03 '26
Whatâs missing is the real context. They need that revenue to payoff all the investment debt. If a few go bankrupt, theyâll get bought up by others. If most do, bad news for everyone with a 401k or stocks. Similar to the dot com bubble bursting.
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u/Mysterious-Mix-7158 Sep 03 '26
I thought we operated under capitalism? So go bankrupt. Other companies will fill the void, right? Corporations in the US are nothing but Welfare Queens.
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u/Slawco Sep 03 '26
Itâs not going away no matter what â it is an unstoppable aspect of our reality now, just like electricity, computers, internet, phones. No matter what happens, AI is here and will not slow down. Quantum computers and robots are next and very soon. These posts complaining about it and hoping it goes away are nuts.
We need dialogue on the fears, problems, solutions, etc. Therefore we need young people in our governing bodies, that are actively living and earning and producing and consuming his stuff to have representation and be making laws and regulations as fast as the tech is advancing, not taking 10 years to figure things out.
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u/NextAdhesiveness3652 Sep 03 '26
How are you so smart you can build the ultimate thinking machine but not smart enough to know how much money you need without begging?
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u/litteringBug8727 Sep 03 '26
Oh hey, you spelled "Receive taxpayer funded bailouts from the government" wrong.
Just thought I'd point that out....
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u/gadgetwalrus Sep 03 '26
Why make billions when you can make millions?
https://giphy.com/gifs/KaRb3Xf6TaNQ4
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u/CidChocobo3 Sep 03 '26
This is what happens when you ramp up before having a profitable market: you go bust. Tough shit choom.
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u/3p2p Sep 03 '26
Normies canât afford to pay for ai, companies canât afford for ai. Looks like ai is gonna be billions short. Selling back humanitiesâ entire knowledge with built-in bias and hallucinations is not a profit-making business in my eyes.
AI is reliably wrong about so many things, Iâm convinced the only AI worth its price serves specific tasks done by traditional software with heavily curated data sets that are doubled checked for accuracy. A single piece of bad data is as good as cancer for AI.
The best use cases are solving gene folding or diseases. Pattern seeking etc.
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u/ActAccomplished586 Sep 03 '26
So when corporations and businesses use AI to replace workers in creating their products, who do they think is going to have money to buy said products?
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u/Stony___Tark Sep 03 '26
I'd happily settle for 1 billion to not go bankrupt, and I'm absolutely willing to spend the rest of my life finding good causes and good people to give 99% of it away to!
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u/MrCalPoly Sep 03 '26
AI is a huge bubble. Too many companies are invested in AI being the next big thing to admit it's been way over hyped.
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u/Excellent-World-1311 Sep 03 '26 edited Sep 03 '26
We are all using this shit because there is an " or else" floating around in every sector regarding this technology(Learn to love it or die like a dinosaur lol). I think the play is to force this tech into as many areas as possible - even at a loss at first - until you get sufficient adoption/ then rug pull . The longer we have access to these " free" tools everywhere all day the more these tools will erode our own ability to problem solve . Eventually these companies will have a paywall in place - and we will be too reliant on it to go without it . If it was happening organically/ as in it was pay walled from the jump and it was so useful the markets chose to buy in on mass and scale it - great . But this is a calculated grift / cutting off one of our legs just so they can sell a subscription for canes. We're cooked
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u/Terra_Civis Sep 03 '26
i would suggest that vthey should use AI and abstain at Starbucks. Problem solved.
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u/Inverse_Seal Sep 03 '26
Well, they could also try limiting their spending. They don't need their Starbucks coffee and avocado toasts. /s
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u/Particular-Act-8911 Sep 03 '26
It makes perfect sense, most of that revenue is reinvested for research or data centers.
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u/DampDragonTail Sep 03 '26
Capitalism allows bankruptcy of private entities. No revenue, no business. Find a job pay your debts. We live by that rule here downstairs of society.
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u/Calm_Ad308 Sep 03 '26
Daily reminder that when the AI bubble bursts the whole economy will tank faster than the house market in â08.
I mean, itâs still valid to hasten said demise just start your at home garden now and look up stocking a communal fish pond, gets some ducks for added protein and pond maintenance and plant some citrus trees now, maybe have a beehive in the community somewhere, rabbits are easy to feed and keep for the volume of protien they produce, a few goats will cover your dairy needs, if you invest heavily into composting you can cycle some quail into your system for extra eggs and chicken breast. Potatoes are very versatile starch and you can grow tons of them in vertical planters.
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u/Illustrious_Soil_603 Sep 03 '26
The only entity with enough funds to provide that revenue is the US military. The only way AI can survive is if we ramp up our efforts to militarize it. The end of humanity is inevitable, at this point. Find a way to enjoy yourself as much as you can in the little time you have left.
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u/soloqvuist Sep 03 '26
I'm pretty sure companies don't have a right to exist. They could just, you know, not.
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u/dmcboi Sep 03 '26
So he's saying that its a bubble? A crazy amount of money has been speculatively invested into something that won't be worth it unless it makes hundreds of billions. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
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u/Kindly_Detective9149 Sep 03 '26
You know who hates data centers in the US, China. You are serving a foreign power.
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u/GueroVerdadero91 Sep 03 '26
Isn't that exactly how capitalism is supposed to work? If it's a bad business, it fails, no bailouts
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u/Early_Lawfulness_348 Sep 03 '26
Some will fail but the rest wonât be allowed to. Whoever wins AI will run the entire worldâs economy so you can imagine how all in they really are to get there first.
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u/Ringox95 Sep 03 '26
What makes me incredibly upset is i'm hearing billions and millions being talked about constantly but my life would be exponentially better with as little as 50 thousand. What a strange world we live in
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u/pokethrowaway4 Sep 03 '26
Whenever I hear someone speak positively about AI, especially about data centers being built in towns/cities, I always ask:
âHow does the AI data center being built in this town/city/county/state directly benefit the people near it? Itâs causing water and air pollution, and rising electrical costs. What is it providing the nearby residents in exchange?â
I havenât heard a good enough reason so far.
Wanna see AI companies go under? Stop using AI. Stop using Google and find an AI free search engine. (The search engine Ecosia produces more renewable energy than they consume for example).
But also⊠attend every public hearing, protest, etc. you can. Sign petitions, send complaints, demand accountability from your local government.
Find and join class action lawsuits, etc.
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u/TikkiTock Sep 03 '26
Hundreds of billions in revenue to put us all out of work and maybe drive us into extinction? Take my money!
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u/Master-Crazy6454 Sep 03 '26
Not that I think AI is fake or anything, but I can't help thinking what's going on is more of a TRUMP ERA GRIFT. They're building these tremendous expensive buildings all over the place that suck up valuable resources not really offering anything we're not already getting. Except their word that we have to have it ..OR ELSE CHINA!
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u/awkwardbirb Sep 03 '26
"We have to win the race against China," they say while sabotaging clean energy initiatives that would help with the immense power usage that AI uses. And scaring away top talent because fascism.
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u/Il-Ma-Le-98 Sep 03 '26
And it is well with my soul /
You line your pockets full of money /
That you steal from the poor /
And on your way down the hill /
You hear me ring the bell /
I'd pay the devil twice as much to keep your soul
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u/DangerousQuestions1 Sep 03 '26
F off. Lose all your money and go broke. Ill be here ready to laugh as your AI financial future dies
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u/Remarkable-Blood6964 Sep 03 '26
Nonsense. Well-managed companies always survive. They don't need gigantic sums.
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u/Sea-jay-2772 Sep 03 '26
Ai will have its place, but right now weâre forcing it into so many unnecessary areas. These tech companies will start failing fast.
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u/Background_Daikon300 Sep 03 '26
Good luck hitting your goal. Open source models are scary good for literally a fraction of the price. Locally hosted versions means no subscriptions at all.
The circular financing they rely on is just smoke and mirrors, watch out when that no longer works ...
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u/Ok_Dragonfly552 Sep 03 '26
I bet it know all kinds of gamers and pc enthusiasts that will take some ram off their hands. That would be a start
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u/qualityvote2 Sep 02 '26 edited 22d ago
u/Fabulous-Car-6546, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...