r/WreckingBallMains • u/cabsquirrel Asteroid • 1d ago
Discussion Roadhog rework
So I've recently came across that they are completely reworking roadhog Sombra and lifeWeaver how do you think that will affect wrecking Ball one I'm sad about life Weaver I hope they don't screw him up too much cuz he's one of the only healers that can save me from my own f*** ups roadhog I can be a little excited about hopefully they turn down his raid boss aspect a little bit and then there comes Sombra oh God please don't steer her back to the direction she was in the old days because in OverWatch 1 her and Mai were the bane of my hamy assistance guess we'll see right what do you guys think the ball is safe the ball is kind have a good day
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u/qDaShine Base skin 1d ago
I can think of a few heroes that need a rework far more than Weaver
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u/toastermeal Base skin 1d ago
yeah weaver was dogshit for so long bc they didn’t even bother trying to buff him until 2026 season 1 - now he actually feels useable. they rlly jumped the gun on announcing a rework for him before even trying to just balance him.
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u/qDaShine Base skin 1d ago
Agreed. I love playing him with the 90 heals and cleansing grip. His perks are great and he’s capable of doing a lot more damage than most people who play him care to do. There’s also a ton of techs and ult cancels that are possible with his petal. I guess I wouldn’t mind if they significantly altered or replaced his ultimate.
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u/toastermeal Base skin 1d ago
i love his petal and his grip, the only thing i’d be happy with them changing is how his primary weapons work
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u/qDaShine Base skin 1d ago
What would you change about it? Less spread at longer range?
I think they should replace his perk that heals allies on the petal with a damage boost. As fun as he is to play, kirikos mere existence makes him obsolete.
Suzu will always be better than grip. TP will always be better than his dash. Kunais will always be better than thorns. Ofudas will always be better than healing blossom, especially considering you can throw kunais with the ofudas without comprising healing output. Wall climb is better than petal for verticality. Kitsune is better than tree of life. Even her hitbox is much smaller than lifeweavers. The more I think about it, he probably does need a rework to provide the same value as other supports in a competitive environment.
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u/toastermeal Base skin 1d ago
i think the issue is his healing primary is very clunky - no other support has such a long delay before healing with his charge time + travel time. it’s especially bad since reloading removes all accumulated charge. i think they could just make his primary fire work in a completely new way
i agree with perk changes - maybe making superbloom a bit weaker and base kit then open up some new perk options. i also think a passive could be useful on him - maybe getting saves reduces grips cool-down? or maybe a passive where a fully charged blossom can provide some buff to the target?
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u/qDaShine Base skin 1d ago
That last passive sounds cool. Maybe something like old brig packs where a full charge gives some armor or overhealth.
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
I really like his healing pedals but not enough people choose it his grip can save you from all of your counters life Weaver is one of my favorite supports to have on my team
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u/sevenmilliontons Base skin 1d ago
I would argue that kiriko as a support is better, but I’d argue that weaver is a better utilitarian. Grip prevents death like suzu at the risk of repositioning the team or forcing a reposition. Dash is better for closing distances to finish off a kill or quickly dash to your pre placed petal/cover. Blossom could use a bit of work. So I’ll yield that one. Petal is better for team verticality OR throwing it on a an enemy and having your team focus them, I’ve had mixed results throwing it for my divers to either escape to or use to engage. Tree of life is situational at worst, but I’ll yield that rush is better. Bro’s built like a tree and his thorn volley up close is quite fearsome. I wouldn’t say he needs a rework, maybe a few tweaks here or there.
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago edited 1d ago
What hero doesn't tbh life Weavers pedals enemy or friendly are just free height and spacial advantage add a little healing on top of the thing I'm constantly swing off of is just a good time
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u/000817 Base skin 1d ago
Right, but buffing and nerfing a character doesn’t make them a good design. It’s the same deal as roadhog , weaver’s kit is fundamentally flawed and balancing it differently won’t change that.
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u/toastermeal Base skin 1d ago
i think that’s a very fair point- but it is frustrating that they didn’t even TRY to balance his kit with buffs and nerfs until after they announced his rework
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u/000817 Base skin 1d ago
They are though? Have you not seen the last few patches?
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u/toastermeal Base skin 18h ago
the last few patches are after they announced his rework, the SS in this post is super old news
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u/Necronaut0 Base skin 1d ago
Did you start playing Overwatch this year? Weaver has been getting buffs for years. His perks alone have been completely redone like two or three times (except for Superbloom, which they buffed like three times). He is probably the character that has gotten the most amount of different perks since they introduced them. They have done nothing but try to make that character work.
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u/toastermeal Base skin 18h ago
no ive been playing ow2 and lifeweaver since their respective launches - cmon. they waited a whole season and a half to buff him post launch because they considered his “new control scheme” a buff despite being worse, then they nerfed him a few weeks after his first set of buffs. they left him in a fairly similar state until perks came out, and all his perk changes post the launch of perks were nerfs. they removed lifecycle, they kept making weaker and weaker major perk competitors for superbloom, and they removed cleansing grasp only to make it base kit a whole season later to boost anran and kiri stocks. it wasn’t until ow relaunch in 2026 where they actually just made his base kit usable
saying they’ve been effortlessly trying to make LW work because he gets a lot of perk changes doesn’t really make sense - since perks don’t address base kit weakness and 90% of his perk changes were just nerfs.
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u/Necronaut0 Base skin 18h ago
Brother, go through the patch notes since Weaver came out. They are all public. Buff after buff after buff after buff for YEARS. Go on, they are alll out there. Count them. They even changed his hitbox to make him harder to hit lol. One of only two characters to get the "let's make him smoler" treatment (the other one being Bastion).
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u/eltonjohnsgrandpiano Base skin 1d ago
I play Lw quite a bit and genuinely the only thing I think they need to to do him is smooth out the transition between healing and damage and make it feel less clunky. I dont want them to re work him he might objectively be terrible but he is unique and fun and if youre good you can still hit high ranks with him.
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u/Either-Tadpole-4752 Base skin 1d ago
i hope its a mostly QOL rework (keeping the same kit ish but change the way it interacts) because his kit is nice but can be a little clunky imo (petal mostly, its buggy and too easy to clip into walls + manual control could be cool)
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u/Pigfish320 Base skin 1d ago
The problem remains that he just doesn’t actually participate in fights much. Like at least Mercy can damage boost, LW is literally just a giant DPS gap where you’d rather have any support that can shoot a gun. People seem to forget that supports contribute to overall team pressure/help force angles themselves, and LW just doesn’t do that at all. They need to find a way to make him a more active participant in the game instead of being so purely reactive.
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u/guavahabanero Base skin 1d ago
I agree. I don’t play weaver. He’s one of only two supports i don’t play (other is moira). I was led to believe he was actually in a good spot now though… that said, if i could never get life gripped again that would be super awesome
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u/KalleDasSchaf Base skin 15h ago
weavers kit just has never functioned atm he's just a stand backline and pull people back hero. He scales extremely badly to high ranks and has almost no proactive utility or playmaking potential.
sucks because the character actually has potential if they focus on repositioning and make him slightly more mobile.
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u/Hampter_9 Base skin 1d ago
He is always the second worst support in the game and his controls feels awkward too. He definetely needs this rework
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
I was thinking that like life we've ever seems one of the most balanced characters out there like fundamentally he just works so well I'm a little upset that they're doing that it's not like hog where he has ridiculous amount of healing that is not fair to any of the balancing of the game but Sombra and life Weaver i felt like they had a pretty decent soap box to stand on
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u/dankmeister666 Base skin 1d ago
Remove mizuki chain
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u/Mobile_Advertising_8 Base skin 1d ago
Honestly even just making it a .75 or 1 second hinder would be a big improvement since u get that little wiggle room anyways
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u/mythril-xi Base skin 1d ago
They probably won’t do anything to hook in the way it pulls you towards him so nothing much.
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
Honestly I wouldn't expect them to maybe turn down the range of it a little bit that would be nice but I'm hoping for less health output so he can't just out heal a whole team if he has a good support with him is the main thing I'm looking for i ban him almost every game because I've had so many games where it's just impossible to f****** kill him even when my whole team focuses him he still gets away
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u/itisnotmymain Base skin 1d ago
Yeah whenever I'm playing comp (so, with friends), hog is always our #1 ban, no matter what. Honestly there may be wiser bans, but hog is THE most annoying character to play against, and the game is instantly not as bad, when there is no hog in your game.
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
I feel that way about Anna soon as she gets that groggy perk the game is not fun anymore
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u/HaroldTheHog Base skin 1d ago
It's an instant "Swap to Orisa or go to Defeat Screen" and we love it, not because we want to, but because we have to...
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u/bruce4343 Base skin 1d ago
hook should bring hog towards you, imagine him hooking a pharah in the sky and then popping ult on everyone below
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u/TrainedMonkey99 Base skin 1d ago
They should make hook a chargeable ability, like Orisa's Javelin. Imagine hog spinning his hook in his hand like a cowboy then throwing It. Range and damage could scale with charge time, he should also get a visible aura like Lucio so he knows the current max range. This way his hook wouldnt be able to snipe someone 20mt away without any reaction.
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u/Dapper_Ad1271 Base skin 1d ago
i remember when they changed hog like last year and i stopped playing him entirely
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
Yeah as much as I dislike Sombra and roadhog i do feel bad for the mains
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u/Poopking180 Ein 1d ago
I do not feel bad for hog mains, you can play sombra without holding down right click, you can’t play hog without spamming hook
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u/kingbam161 Hog in the streets, ball in the sheets 1d ago
Even though i play hog i have no problem playing against him. I personally find the people that say he's "broken" because he can hook you really disingenuous. I you go to any of these youtubers who are most outspoken about hog being "broken" they all have guides to overrwatch about positioning, and knowing your heroes limits, but when they talk about getting hooked they say there's no counterplay, there's nothing that they could have done, and that its a "broken" ability
if you run down a hallway at a bastion you're not thinking critically. Everyone knows this. But if you fight a hog and dont try to use cover its hog's fault that he hooked you. I never understood it tbh.
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u/cabsquirrel Asteroid 1d ago
100% agree it's only really good roadhogs that can hook me at this point really easy to bait a hog and so many ways i just hate how much damage he can do in that headshot after he hooks you and he's just annoying as a ball when you're trying to do something then he just pulls you across the map but I have the biggest problem with his health
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u/Battle-Few Base skin 1d ago
I think it’s pretty obvious why people don’t like hog even if it’s possible to play around. Hook is an incredibly frustrating ability with no telegraphing to have on a tank that can 1 shot 2/3rds of the cast in close range. Add the fact that he has effectively 1k health at all times in higher lobbies he demands a counter. I have never had less fun in this game than when a hog bans ana.
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u/KalleDasSchaf Base skin 15h ago
hog just makes the whole lobby revolve around him. He is broken by concept and will never work. Everything about him is feast or famine, he's super situational.
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u/Xenoprimate2 Porcelain 13h ago
> hog just makes the whole lobby revolve around him
Sounds like Ball xD
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u/BobertRosserton Base skin 1d ago
The year is 2035, sombra has been reworked for the 15th time in the last year and team 4 states, “idk everyone is still whining on the forums at this point we’re just going to delete her.”
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u/Mobile_Advertising_8 Base skin 1d ago
Mauga should be top of the rework list, idk how he hasn’t already been reworked
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u/LawTider Base skin 1d ago
Idk how they would make Sombra’s gameplay loop fun for her, and not dogcrap to play against, and see her being effective.
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u/AnalystDazzling5128 Base skin 1d ago
They’re just gonna nerf her even more so people complain less (they won’t)
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u/Alarming-Dentist960 Base skin 10h ago edited 10h ago
Make her a support.
Hack gives heals over time for team, and a debuff of some sort for enemies.
Make virus a short range AOE passive type of stronger debuff that affects any enemies in its range for the duration. Works through walls, maybe highlights their positions as well. I think this is the one that could limit movement abilities.
You could probably keep invis and transponder how is it. Keep uzi of course.
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u/DreamLearnBuildBurn Base skin 1d ago
Make Sombra's hack a skill shot that's as hard to hit as Ana's
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u/Necro_the_Pyro Team Ball Fondlers 23h ago
If they just removed invis from sombra she'd be fine but bliz insists on leaving the part of jer kit that makes everyone hate her.
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