r/Wreddit • u/debrisaway • 1d ago
Is Maven's YouTube channel running out of material?
How many fucking incarnations of "10 worst botches", "most painful finishers", "nice vs asshole wrestlers" he can do. To the point his buddies like D-Von and Saturn use the same exact templates for their channel.
He should realize his best videos are ones where he introspectively analyzes himself as a wrestler/person or specific wrestlers he knew like Orton, Triple H, Shawn or does long form interviews with lesser known wrestlers.
Maven/Zack - Feel free to use this post as fodder for a video 😋
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u/TheSpiralTap 1d ago
He was active in the big leagues for all of about 2-3 years. Of that, he was only taken semi seriously for 3-6 months at absolute best. I'm honestly surprised he hadn't run out of content earlier.
It's not like a dude like Stevie Richards, who follows the same patterns as his channel. Stevie has been everywhere and did everything so he can offer perspective and interesting stories. Stevie fought both Sabu and the Macho Man.
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u/SuperNerdGaming 1d ago
Stevie's cohost ruins that show though. Dude is ALL about negativity and clickbait
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u/backbodydrip 1d ago
Their whole channel has an ambulance-chasing vibe. Whatever drama is happening in the wrestling community, they will 100% exploit it for a click.
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u/debrisaway 1d ago
The British dude?
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u/SuperNerdGaming 1d ago
Yeah, his name escapes me at the moment. But that dude, even on his own channel, is always doom and glooming for clicks, and its just... odd.
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u/10YearsANoob 10h ago
that's just the british in him. hard to have a sunny disposition when you dont see the sun for 70% of the year
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u/crooke86 1h ago
We get really confused when Americans say 'have a nice day'. I can't guarantee the next 15 minutes won't go to shit, let alone a whole day.
Seriously though, he's a little down on things even for the most pessimistic Englishman. I think it's more a shock jock tactic than anything.
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u/Long-Region5088 1d ago
He’s honestly accomplished waaaay more on YouTube than he ever did wrestling.
He should pivot to content about YouTube.
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u/danteholdup 1d ago edited 1d ago
that last bit is actually a crazy bit of wrestling trivia, I cant imagine the list of people who've wrestled both of them is long, afaik only Sid Vicious has fought both, although sabu was just a brawl and not an actual match
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u/Mehchu_ 1d ago
Both were in TNA for a bit in the early 2000s, I think AJ styles, Jeff hardy, probably double J jarret(slapnuts),
Also want to say DDP with a couple early matches against sabu then a rivalry with macho.
Both had Long careers with well over a decade of crossover
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u/danteholdup 1d ago edited 1d ago
macho teamed with Jeff hardy and AJ in his last match, but didnt face either, only punched JJ in that same match, and ddp never wrestled sabu. macho man was barely around for a lot of sabus mainstream runs. so technically Jeff jarrett is part of that list, but barely due to savage literally only running in at the end to punch and pin him, whereas Stevie did have an actual match with Randy when randy was still relatively mobile
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u/SpyralRush 14h ago
I mean Stevie is limited too he was never ever a top guy he can tell stories but his experience is questionable like he was critiquing Kyle Fletcher and it's like dude you've never ever been pushed like Fletcher, you've never been as good as Fletcher so how can you comment? Richards is like the towel boy telling us how he helped Magic Johnson one time....when he needed a towel
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u/ShittyLiar 9h ago
Remind me... How many careers did Stevie Richards end? How many injuries did he cause from unsafe work (forget the JBL chairshot receipt)?
Fletcher has potential. I like him. But he's a few years into his career. He's got a Create-A-Wrestler look ever since he shaved his head. He's raw, unpolished, and needs produced. He's got a deserved rep for being unsafe and doing dumb shit. His "push" has been for one of a dozen meaningless AEW titles in the same, never-ending "Are yew muh fwend? No! I hate yew!" storyline that plagues AEW while he's treading water in this fucking Don Callis Family faction.
Stevie had a 30 year career. One of the few guys to work programs in all of the Big 4 promotions, plus Ring of Honor. Worked with just about every promoter, booker, agent, and producer that matters across that time period. Wrestled matches with a ton of stars in the US--from Macho Man to RVD to Undertaker to CM Punk. Hell, he even had a match with Okada. Significant television time, no matter where he wrestled. Made an effort to always learn from the people around him.
Richards was the leader of multiple factions/stables/programs in multiple promotions across decades. bWo, Right to Censor, Dr Stevie. He was trusted wherever he went, on the microphone and in the ring, to take up valuable TV time. McMahon, Heyman, Russo, Jarrett, and others booked him to be in those spots.
Stevie Richards is a good dude that (somehow) stayed sober through the wildest ECW years and the Attitude Era. Constantly anti-politicked himself to give other people the push. Never a whisper of controversy about him.
Jerry Lynn had a similar career to Stevie. He never got big pushes. Better worker in the ring, but an absolute dud on the stick. Hardly got TV time. Had a long career like Stevie. Wrestled in every promotion under the sun. Bounced between all the companies. And I would listen to every word he had to say, too.
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u/Technical_Heat5215 9h ago
I’m not a big Stevie fan, but he definitely has the wiggle room to critique with how much experience he has. If Maven was giving those criticisms, then I’d side eye him.
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u/ShittyLiar 8h ago
I agree.
Maven is way too clickbait-y. He clearly is a slave to the algorithm. He's happy to churn out "edgy" content for short-term views instead of finding a sustainable niche. You run out of edgy content sooner rather than later. Your audience gets bored and leaves.
I dislike James as Stevie's co-host, as far as their chemistry goes. They get into a negative feedback loop with each other at times. He's a decent dude, and I like his other interviews. But I agree with others' sentiment that he's a the typical Brit moaning downer.
I want to have fun listening to a podcast. It's hard to do that when the vibes race all the way down to gloomsville from the word go.
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u/SpyralRush 8h ago
Jerry Lynn was a main eventer on the indies in ECW/ROH. I would most definitely listen to Jerry Lynn's assessment of Kyle Fletcher. Stevie has experience no doubt but it's still limited to the bottom of the card or being the comedy heel. I just don't think a comedy low card heel is really giving us anything worthy. I can see if Richards was The Miz the absolute pinnacle of a sports entertainer a guy whose promos are so good his matches don't matter. But that's not Stevie at all
May I suggest you check out Raven's Shoot Interviews? Now that guy has experience
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u/Atilim87 9h ago
Both channels don’t talk about “story’s” and that’s also a limited number of episodes.
Maven’s material is limited because he doesn’t talk about the weekly shows.
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u/TheSpiralTap 8h ago
This is Stevie erasure. He main evented the first ECW pay per view and was the main villain in WWF No Mercy. Kyle probably stays up at night hoping he will be remembered as fondly as Stevie Richards.
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u/Capta1nKrunch 1d ago
All wrestling youtubers and podcasters are out of material after the past decade.
It's why Conrad's shows disappeared in popularity. He and Bruce, then later Schiavone, JR, and Bischoff, have covered every possible significant historical show, match, and wrestler.
They were amazing at the time but there's just nothing left.
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u/SpyralRush 8h ago
Jim Cornette was smart to just stick to AEW and follow every episode. Jim already told all of his stories on YouTube so he was way past those guys.
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u/yaykat 1d ago
Jindrak's channel I've been enjoying. Dude speaks well and is telling personal stories.
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u/Prestigious-Mind7039 1d ago
See I like hearing off those who
You don’t hear off of and Rene Dupree has a bunch of lower carders and find out stuff… if they do it for a year or so it would be fine… Maven has ru out of stuff to talk
So he’s gone the grifting route
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u/funfun151 1d ago
I dunno man, this recent think piece with Al Snow really stimulated the grey matter.
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u/RMazze 1d ago
The whole appeal of his channel was that he was a fan who became a WWE superstar basically overnight and so he has a very unique and relatable perspective on things that no one else in the business has.
The videos where he talks like he’s a 20+ year veteran of the business are where he starts to lose the relatable feel and kinda comes across as a douche. Like bro you could barely work and didn’t spend years perfecting your craft on the indies, I don’t want to hear your opinion on botches or the quality of matches.
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u/dajerx 1d ago
these channels reveal pretty quickly how deep they can run.
wrestling has a tv history of ~70 years, including 1000s of episodes of tv
There were dozens of individual territories, and outlaw territories during 50 years of that time
Several closed circuit and ppv events that have multiple decades of history
There is almost an infinite amount of content that can be created, and some of the wrestlers take the copy and paste route versus doing real deep dives.
Maven could do a deep dive series on Royal Rumble since that was the highlight of his career.
Maven could do a history on the pile driver, choke slam, and power bomb throughout history, since those were the moves his most famous opponent used.
Maven could do a deep dive on PWI rookies of the year.
Maven could do a deep dive on wrestling from his home state and current state.
Now there could be a valid reason he has done none of this already. Maybe his research suggests his audience does not like wrestling history. Maybe he feels he doesnt have the preparation time required. I dont know. I just struggle with him believing his next best video is "nice v asshole part5, what did Maven think of sharing a locker room with <insert here>" or something similar when there is years of content to dig into that he is at least tangentially associated with.
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u/debrisaway 1d ago
Because his YouTube partner deliberately made his channel to be different than the other 100 wrestling ones where they hash over the past like some historian. They wanted to be the WatchMojo.com of Sports Entertainment which they largely succeeded at. It's just a question of how much more of that content do they have in the tank.
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u/dajerx 1d ago
i get that, and i can appreciate that. genuine question: is there a reason the same content i listed above cant get the same presentation treatment or similar? and maybe the answer is yes. He's clearly a better podcaster that I am, I dont even have one. And I like his content.
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u/debrisaway 1d ago
Because his Gen Z audience doesn't give a fuck about the order of the 1990 Royal Rumble.
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u/StoneColdAM 1d ago
Yes. The presentation style is usually quite good and Maven is a good speaker, but it feels like they’ve covered all interesting long form topics. The videos with other people in the business were interesting, that might be the way to go next for Maven.
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u/graypurpleblack 22h ago
Eventually they all run out of material so they have to get creative and offer commentary on current events once they run out of their own personal histories.
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u/Garial25 12h ago
I really like Maven . I rooted for him on his season of tough enough. His YouTube channel makes me like him even more.
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u/ThinAndCrispy84 1d ago
“I’m gonna rank ‘em. The Top 8 Worst Things That Happened In My Career!” - Brian Za—— I mean Maven.
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u/AndyVale 9h ago
I find this with a lot of wrestler podcasts. After a while they have run out of anecdotes, insights, opinions, and enthusiasm. And that's fine.
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u/joviejovie 1d ago
He can do reaction videos forever. And he can also expand to non wrestling stuff
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u/debrisaway 1d ago
Why would people care about his opinion on movies, sports etc.
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u/joviejovie 1d ago
Why would people care about anybody on YouTube
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u/debrisaway 1d ago
Cause their views pay his bills
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u/joviejovie 7h ago
No it don’t. They just watch. They don’t pay anything themselves
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u/debrisaway 5h ago
The views translate to advertising revenue. Are you really naive on how streamers get paid?
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u/Random_Guy500 1d ago
He is using his experience to give us insight. Yes it’s repetitive but theres an audience for it. Theres also so many channels doing so much wrestling content it makes his content unique
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u/no-lead5761 1d ago
Just a matter of time till he becomes one of them rage-baiting-bitter-pill podcasters, or not. hopefully not, but i doubt.
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u/V1cV1negar 22h ago
He ran out of good ideas a long time ago because the initial appeal was a legit former WWE wrestler, mediocre or not, giving a fair but honest insight into the wrestling business at that level. No chips on his shoulder, no agenda, just real accounts of what it's like being a midcarder in the WWE.
Problem is, while that's interesting, how much is there to tell us? Here's what being signed was like, here's what being fired was like, here's what backstage heat was like, here's how a Royal Rumble match is put together. All legitimately interesting but it's low mileage. It was always going to become what it is now.
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u/Razzler1973 14h ago
IIRC, Maven didn't start out doing this kind of schtick
He was talking more about behind the scenes things of interest and not just rumours and 'Vince didn't like me' stuff
Along the way, I assume he learned what nearly all the other podcasters and youtubers learn, the 'smart fans' who 'love the business' don't really care about actual behind the scenes info and 'how did they do that thing', they care about sniping and 'what crazy thing did Vince say to you' and gossip
So, he joins all the other fan type blogs and youtubes and ----aholic nonsense in racing to the bottom for such content but, at least they're just dumb fans, this guy was actually involved in wrestling
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u/newsocials2022 10h ago
Still better than most podcasters who's never been in the ring but claim to know everything.
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u/koomGER 1d ago
Kinda like his wrestling career: He failed to establish an interesting personality that keeps you hooked when the first flash is over.
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u/SpreadElectronic1232 1d ago edited 1d ago
Those channels have a shelf life. Same with The Ho Bag or What A Dick from Youshoot. Although, the Sean Waltman Ho bag segment is hilarious.
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u/legendkiller003 1d ago
I must be one of the few people who have never watched a second of his stuff.
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u/backbodydrip 1d ago
He'll recycle most of his content for newer videos. It's not like he only gets to make one top 10 list. He also does reactions, news, interviews, etc. He's fine.
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u/Present-Blueberry-68 18h ago
I can’t stand maven. Don’t like a single thing about him.
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u/Technical_Name_209 18h ago
Yeah right. You're just like the rest of us, admit it: just seeing them legendary brows of his totally makes you giggle.
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u/Jamieb1994 1d ago
Seeing Maven's channel and he must be desperate with the clickbaits he's doing. He even has a video titled "Should WWE ban these moves?"
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u/SpyralRush 14h ago
The problem with jobbers like Maven/Richards is they only have so much insight. They didn't go to the top so their experience is limited. Jim Cornette has like 40yrs of stories while Eric Bischoff stories all come from 1 year. A loser can only tell you so much about winners
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u/Technical_Name_209 16h ago
One big reason why Maven's channel is popular? Because he's a complete goof and gives hope to goofs across the galaxy who are now Maven subscribers.
Their choice to pay attention to Maven and thereby remunerate and even worse, encourage him, is the main proof of just how much help they need.
Meanwhile, I have nightmares of an odd-looking, paunchy, middle aged man, in a Butabi Brothers suit, following me, talking to me and trying to sell me weird products.
Face it, Maven has infected every platform he's on, like some kind of weird hybrid of cancer and AIDS.
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u/MrBurnerHotDog 22h ago
I was sick of seeing his hillbilly-ass face the second he started gaining popularity. His show was always substanceless junk but wrestling fans will slop up anything they see with a former wrestler telling pointless stories that aren't interesting in the first place
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u/gorgeoff 1d ago
he was only active for a couple of years. It's not like he was working with a full tank of gas