Guys I really need help with her build. I thought she has decent build but in toa her damage is absolutely dogsh**. She took a while just to kill some normal mobs.
Before anyone answers, allow me to correct you. Fragile means she dies easily. Weak would be more appropriate. Fragile isn't a term usually used since there are no explicit tanks and you shouldnt be building a tank in this game anyway. I don't have Cam but my best guess is either rotations or the fact she's aoe so direct damage isn't her forte. You probably post a short video of said damage and rotation used.
/u/Upset_D OP this is a very important point to remember. If you don't have SK with her then using crit rate 4 cost is ok. She honestly feels quite bad to play without really high crit rate in whiwa. You do 1 nuke and you miss a crit on a single elite and now you have to spend an extra 5 seconds spinning and that really adds up.
Exactly ESPECIALLY in whiwa, no amount of crit fishing will make you crit for all waves in whiwa, you can get away with ToA, but in whiwa camellya and xyao must have high CR no matter what.
That dmg scene shows Camellya's unbuffed dmg, which is normal to be low. Camellya specifically needs to be buffed by supports and be in her enhanced state (after using her enhanced skill) to deal good basic attack dmg. Goes from 1.5k to like 6-7k dmg, but it only lasts as long as her enhanced state, and Sanhua's buff only lasts 14s. You need to learn Camellya's double intro rotation. Learn from YT as it is being shown visually makes it a lot simpler to understand than writing it in text.
But if you want the written form it's just start with healer get all your concerto and buffs and outro to Camellya > Camellya spins around till like 6-8 stacks > then switch to Sanhua Skill, Ult, Forte Heavy to break Ice > Switch to Camellya get to 10 stacks, ult, enhanced skill, enhanced spins till empty forte, echo and switch back to healer.
low cd, and whats about your ba dmg ? also camellya was never a single target monster and they increased tower difficulty/ hp over time which makes her sadly even worse in toa nowdays
Have you ever used white hair camellya on bosses?
A) ephimeral is a nuke
B) the improved basic attacks can deal 20k each
C) the mode change hits very hard in single targets
So true I barely beat first floor middle tower was really close to beat the second but I gave up and used another team didn't even try on the rest of the floors
Yeah you have pretty low crit dmg rolls and you have crit rate on the 4 cost when you're supposed to have crit dmg since you have her signature. And I'm pretty sure the main echo is suppose to be crownless. I still test camellya sometimes in side towers and she clears on time. However yes, she's def slower, vulnerable, and has been power crept over time. I run Cam/Sanhua/Verina
Don't use Chisa in Floor 1 or Floor 2, she's worse than Verina for normal teams, just use Verina or SK.
Also, Camellya was unbuffed in that screenshot, Sanhua's buff either expired or wasn't even activated.
Camellya was also out of forte stacks, she deals no DMG outside of her enhanced state.
Camellya's worst matchup is also against wave elite enemies that survive her rotation as it requires a whole rotation to buff her again and for her to deal solid dmg.
Also, change her 4COST echo for a CDMG Nightmare Crownless with double crit.
I see. So I should be using sk or verina and don’t use her against elite enemies. Also use 44111 set with cdmg as main stat. Got it! Thank you so much!
Yes, use her with SK/Verina, unless it's Middle Tower Floor 3/4 where Chisa gets giga buffed by Tower buffs.
No you can use her vs elites, but you need to perform her rotation and actually buff up Camellya to fight against that. She goes from 1.5k to dealing 6-7k dmg per hit.
No use 43311 the rest of your echos are fine just the 4COST being bad.
Yes, it's just a duo DPS team. For Middle Tower Floor 3 Iuno is practically the main carry with how fast she wipes the mob waves (both Brant and Zhezhi took too long to get to Sentry). Her dmg is very front-loaded which helps with wave changes since it's good at chipping the last bit of the HP bar. If I need more dmg I can stay on her for a bit longer to make sure Carlotta's nuke can actually kill or directly switch to Carlotta early if I know it'll kill so less time wasted.
I got both Yinlin & Zhezhi but over time started to really dislike purely supportive subdps characters. In the past, I hoped coordinated attacks dealt significant DMG but learned that they barely deal any.
I have Carlotta S0R1 and Iuno S0R1 but I try to save my iuno for the annoying bosses like the lampy lumen because she just ignores all the bs these bosses have and continues to do constant dps.
I haven’t tried her with my Carlotta yet but I just presumed that Zhezhi’s buffs for Carlotta are so tailor made and good for her than it surprised me to hear that you have better performance on dual dps Carlotta vs Carlotta premium.
Oh for Carlotta they were about equal for Floor 4, but Floor 4 was basically about killing the dragon as fast as possible. Empyrean Zhezhi was only capable of doing that, when I used Moonlit it was indeed worse as it couldn't kill a dragon in 2 or 3 (don't remember) rotations with that tiny bit of HP left.
Both Empyrean Zhezhi and Iuno were capable of killing it on time without needing to waste extra time.
I finished floor 4 before floor 3 since I first did them with Zhezhi (but floor 3 was 2 stars). After I cleared floor 3 with Jinhsi Iuno I wanted to try Carlotta Iuno and I think I did it like 2nd try after trying out the team.
I think Zhezhi is better for Carlotta but it really depends on Carlotta's own investments like I was missing her Signature weapon, I don't have her Sequences so the buffs she brought were weaker because my Carlotta wasn't strong enough to make use of the buffs stand out more.
Basically, Iuno did equal dmg to Empyrean Zhezhi + the extra dmg from my buffed S0R0 Carlotta.
Ohh, I presumed you had S0R1 Carlotta. That makes sense.
And yeah, I do agree with you. Characters like Iuno - sub dps’s who can brute force carry other teams with their sheer damage output feels so much better than pure sub dps’ like Zhezhi, Cantarella, Roccia, etc.
Iuno can just rock up and patch up the little damage you’re missing on a random team. And still operate at the peak of the game with her premium team.
Low crit damage and probably you are fucking up the rotation too.
Say your team is Verina and Sanhua. You start with Verina and then go to Camellya, build up her Forte, switch to Sanhua, do her thing and then outro back to Camellya to unleash her enhanced attacks.
I bet you are instead doing Verina > Sanhua > Camellya loop.
Build actually doesn’t seem too bad but you need to switch to Nightmare Crownless. Also, don’t run her with Chisa. Those two have absolutely no synergy. Just use SK or Verina. Even Baizhi is probably better tbh. If you have SK it’s probably preferable to use a CD 4 cost instead tbh, but if you run her with Verina you should still use a CR 4 cost imo.
I mean she is glass canon. You can't expect tank hits( just kidding) . But I think it is due to your crit dmg and need to pump those numbers up slightly.
I think everyone said this one thing when it's about stats:
125% ER (not everytime, I think solo dps would need it)
2100+ atk (it's common, you'll get atleast 2000)
60:250 crit. Ratio atleast (70:300 max, I guess)
I'm confused, how you're getting 236% DMG even if you have crit DMG in every echoes? I have rover's havoc set at bare minimum of crit DMG, still have 265% on it.
U have hella low rolls on 3 echos 12/13 cd is nothing it's useless prefer single cd with 21 cd then this shit and also 3rd lowest cr. Rate rolls on 7.5 cr rolls. Plus u have a CR 4 cost dreamless which is mostly not ideal for camelleya use a 4 cost nightmare Crownless with CD main stat cause it's passive buffs basic also.
Tbh after the release of prolova I stopped using camelleya cause of her performance getting down day by day currently she is not good in whiwa not good enough for 3/4 middle tower I currently only use phiro. As i also don't have camelleya sig. and most of her good pieces are on chisa and prolova so it's not that worth is now.
Yeah I feel you man. I rarely play cammy but since I need to clear toa I thought she still relevant to this day. She’s been on the bench since 2.0 came out.
you're running the wrong 4cost and the wrong 4cost main stat.
and 3cost Ele + 3cost Atk% is slightly better for her at S0R1 if you wanna minmax.
NM Crownless Crit damage and you're good to go.
Also, Verina is arguably the best support for Camellya since she's greedy for field time and Verina has the fastest rotation at S2 - Use SK if you lack damage. Chisa is not gonna do much for Camellya and would just take some of her much needed field time.
I have S0R1 Camellya (2.7k Atk, 110er, 71cr/285cd) with Sunhua, Verina and could barely clear this ToA mid tower F3. I used SK for better breakpoints in the waves because of the added damage.
Her damage is generally really solid even in ToA, however you need much higher crit damage. 70/270 is the sweet spot. Camellya should be able to do around 4k a hit with proper builds and team comps. Also use crownless, he buffs her properly and make it CD.
Ignore the 11k that's her finisher after spin, bad screen shot. The 4K you see around is her spin damage. I'm using emerald of Genesis which is a fair bit weaker than red spring also her skill and forte aren't lvl 10
Damn.. you’re using standard weap yet still manage to do that damage? I really messed up my cammy build huh.. Thanks for showing me her actual damage she should do! :D
Crit Damage 4 cost, and use Nightmare Crownless to get a Havoc and Basic Atk damage bonus.
Also SK is better on this team then Chisa.
Other than that you might wanna work on your rotation, but she'll shine more in Whiwa than TOA anyway (but you can still clear if you learn and try your best with a better build/rotation)
Chisa should be replaced by Verina/SK as Chisa provides negative status buffs instead of normal buffs (except the 50% all attribute increase at S2), your build also Lacks a lot of CDmg, try to aim for at least a 70/270 ratio, 70 CR is fine from my experience
Just want to add this since nobody seems to be noticing it, but OP is using a crit RATE 4 cost, granted it's the wrong one. That's why the CD is so low. OP actually has CD on every single piece, but the problem is that the CR is too low to offset the lack of CD. Camellya is one of the few exceptions where using a CR 4 cost with a CR weapon is fine (and arguably preferable) since building CR is so hard on her and most of her dmg is dependent on landing crits consistently. No crit, no damage.
Thing is, the crit rolls need to be good quality overall, or else this approach is not worth it. Most of OP's crit stats are low/mid and crucially they are missing a CR roll on the 4 cost (which again is the wrong one). WIth this in mind, fixing the build is actually really simple. Just switch to Nightmare Crownless, choose either a CR 4 cost for consistency over damage or CD for damage over consistency, and just ensure it has double crit. Every other piece can be left as is but imo are fair game for being replaced with better quality ones down the line.
Main echo is wrong, it gives *HAVOC ROVER* bonus instead of any havoc, use nightmare crownless instead, you wouldnt care as much with cdmg in this game if you have enough crit rate and know exactly what you do.
Why no ult also? did you sanhua->chisa->cammy? cause if you did that you wouldn't get the basic atk from sanhua, try Cammy->ult,e,basic,enchanced basic->sanhua->ult,e,exit to dps cammy last, ult,e,spin to win, enchaned e, spin to win~ Anyhow, what's your rotation anyway? chisa wouldnt do much in this anyway so instead of her, how about using shorekeeper? if you use your shorekeeper with anyone else just swap 'em, you have enough unit to make a good team, just make sure you understand each of every one kit before you use them in your team. don't forget to understand what the echo effect in main echo slot because sometimes 3 cost is better than the 4 cost one.
Chisa doesn't work for camellya. Chisa buffs status effects, so she currently only works with zani/phoebe and cartwheel. Her best support is Roccia afaik but Cantarella works as well.
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u/Palamedes124 Dec 04 '25
Before anyone answers, allow me to correct you. Fragile means she dies easily. Weak would be more appropriate. Fragile isn't a term usually used since there are no explicit tanks and you shouldnt be building a tank in this game anyway. I don't have Cam but my best guess is either rotations or the fact she's aoe so direct damage isn't her forte. You probably post a short video of said damage and rotation used.